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Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 04:27 AM
Artists are told the basics of how to paint/draw a portrait. Humans are basically supposed to have their necks of a uniform length which should only appear longer or shorter depending on the fat they are carrying or generally if the neck is broad or narrow.

Looking through my son's sticker book of the World Cup football players from around the world we noticed that a lot of the players (particularly non-Brits) had remarkably long necks.

There didn't seem to be any obvious racial reason for this. So my speculation is that it could be a result of domesticated breeding (civlisation effectively does this) causing this odd trait. Dogs get floppy ears and humans get batty ears through long-term breeding away from the rigors of natural selection. The British seem less affected than others by this long neck phenomenon.

I don't think women have longer necks as a sex-linked gene but this could have happened. I tend to think women have narrower necks with less muscle bulk (such as trapezius) that make it appear longer. And then there are these odd ones.

In men, the chin should not be above the top of the trapezius imo.

Anyway - if you have never thought about this before, don't make an instant conclusion based on this post. Look at people and see if you see this as well.

I think this picture shows a good example -
YouTube- Xfm - The Ricky Gervais Show
the one with the long neck is a Jew called Merchant.

And if you look at the back row of the French football team here the second from the left and the last on the right players have chins above the trapezius
http://www.football-wallpapers.com/wallpapers4/france_7_1440x900.jpg

This design is dysgenic.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:18 AM
Long necks are associated with the elite. Short necks or no-necks are associated with proles.

Think about swans. They have very long and graceful necks and are considered elegant.

Females do have proportionately longer necks than men, because it's sexually more appealing. Even African tribes see it this way, thing of the women putting rings around their necks to stretch them.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:22 AM
http://www.atruechurch.info/images/JPEG%20Files/johnhagee.jpg

No necks, huge buttocks and giant thighs - thickness in general - is a prole characteristic. Typical of descendants of German or English peasant farmers populating the midwest. Heavy, gross, stolid, boorish.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:29 AM
Think about models.

Are they short or tall? Thick or thin? Are their necks shorter or longer than average?

Anything short, squat, dark pulls symbolically back down into the earth, it calls up plow animals, mud, and dark inertia.

Anything tall, lean, light pulls up and out into the stars, the ether, the fantastic sunlit heights, suggests things intellectual, spiritual, non-material - things elevated.

There's a reason Jesus is never depicted as an ugly squat semi-simian semite, as were 99% of the bipeds in the time and area he is lied to have originated. The reason is that a short, ugly, semitic godson is not merely jarring, it's unthinkable. Jesus would be tall, stroft, blue-eyed (rarer and lighter, hence better, than brown eyes), golden-haired, or at least with streaks!

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:40 AM
http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1631KY.jpg

tasteless, stupid, neckess.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:47 AM
seems to be a universal: all culture find long necks preferable

http://www.thailandvacationtour.com/long_neck.JPG

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 05:51 AM
Paris Hilton - her behavior aside, she has the look associated with the elite, including a long neck

http://gossip.whyfame.com/files/2010/03/paris_hilton.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:01 AM
trumpeter swan

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2073/2266577254_0934710c03.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:02 AM
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/bar-refaeli-naked-021009-lg-96142175.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:03 AM
http://americansfortruth.com/uploads/2010/05/Elena_Kagan1.jpg

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 06:06 AM
It looks really gay on men though. Those tribal women, if they take their neck rings off, they die. Its as freaky as the ones who put plates in their lips.

Yes it is aesthetic on women to have a long graceful neck. However it may well not be a practical survival advantage. Much as the peacock's long tail is only an advantage sexually and a huge disadvantage in terms of escaping a predator or fighting.

Paris Hilton looks a bit freaky. Claudia Schiffer here has normal proportions
http://fashionrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/claudia-schiffer.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:06 AM
corrupt polak rostenkowski, charter member of the no-neck brigade, comes from a long line of peasant cow-ass remoras

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/53451/thumbs/s-DAN-large.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:10 AM
It looks really gay on men though.

Only if you associate elegance, beauty, refinement and intelligence with being gay or effeminate or weak. Which is the typical prole attitude.


Those tribal women, if they take their neck rings off, they die. Its as freaky as the ones who put plates in their lips.

The point is, longer necks are seen by all peoples and cultures as being more attractive than short necks.

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 06:16 AM
http://www.popstarsplus.com/images/ArnoldSchwarzeneggerPicture.jpg
Arnie's neck looks right.

So is the Duke of Edinburgh
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.richardstoneuk.com/images/p3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.richardstoneuk.com/portrait2b.htm&usg=__zrJc5wyk2VZicUDGTKWHC1OpTWY=&h=776&w=635&sz=224&hl=en&start=13&sig2=3Pw9L4GJoeCddMsTQKJfGw&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=QgJbaPucJ3LEhM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dduke%2Bof%2Bedinburgh%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dopera%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=sxtMTLTjM5CRjAfrwpnYDA

and David Beckham is fine

http://www.jimmyjazz.com/customfiles/sportswear/images/david-beckham.jpg

None of these men looks squat and low class. It's easier to illustrate with men as it looks odd when they have long necks.

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 06:23 AM
Look at this model though. I mean... I rest my case!

http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/01/16/Exit_13_gallery__264x400,0.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:25 AM
None of these men looks squat and low class.

They don't have short necks either, just average necks.


It's easier to illustrate with men as it looks odd when they have long necks.


You haven't shown any examples of that oddness.

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 06:28 AM
They don't have short necks either, just average necks.
Yes. The thread isn't about short necks but about how there are more men around these days with longer than normal necks.

You haven't shown any examples of that oddness.

The model just two posts below this. And in the original post a few examples. You have a normal neck Alex.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:31 AM
Look at this model though. I mean... I rest my case!

http://images.smh.com.au/ftsmh/ffximage/2009/01/16/Exit_13_gallery__264x400,0.jpg

He is weird looking. But also a model. Think about that. It's very hard to find a model of either sex that doesn't have a long neck. Longer necks are considered more sexually attractive, and signs of superior breeding, particularly in women, but to a degree in men too.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:34 AM
this is more attractive than a long neck?

http://irritatedtulsan.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/danny-devito-1.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:37 AM
do a search for top male models and find out what percentage have a short, average, or long neck. i bet you that the vast majority are long-necked. so instead of the dolled-up freak you posted, you could have posted this model

http://i.models.com/i/db/2008/10/2504/2504-500w.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:39 AM
i don't think de vito is unattractive, his face looks fine to me for all intercourse sexual and social, but we're talking about necks, and i say the evidence shows that longer necks are more desirable than shorter necks in both women AND men

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:41 AM
if we have something beautiful to be admired, do we put it on a shelf (de vito) or on a pedestal (the jew klein model)?

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:42 AM
here is a list of what someone posits as the top 50 male models. i will bet without having looked that far more will have long necks than short

http://models.com/model_culture/50topmalemodels/index.cfm

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 06:51 AM
does he look short-necked or long necked?

http://www.bearkatdemocrats.com/thomasjefferson.jpg

does he?

http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/George_Washington_1772.jpg

point is, association of longer necks with elite

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 07:19 AM
http://www.bagofnothing.com/uploaded_images/longneck-729291.jpeg

I don't disagree with you, Alex, that there is the association of long necks with being more refined. However it is not the case that the longer the better. Only a little impression of long neck is good. A well defined jaw is a big part of that as well as not being fat. The short necked pictures posted here all show overweight people.

Male models are often gay or selected by gays. Fashion photos are always photoshopped as well (except most of the catwalk ones). Portraits painted by artists are not always accurate either.

In the post below where you ask my opinion: the first portrait has a normal neck and the one below it a slightly longer than normal.

I suspect head size is a factor with the smaller headed individuals more likely to have necks that appear a bit too long. They will also look more "civilised" than the larger brained more cro-magnid people. Looking "civilised" is associated with being dainty and weak more than it is associated with robustness and strength. Yet it is of course degeneration from a superior state.

Darius Appleby
July 25th, 2010, 08:04 AM
Long and thin to get right in?

Or short and thick will do the trick?

This discussion sounds like a description of penises.

What sort of penises do the elites have?

andy
July 25th, 2010, 08:26 AM
Ronnie Reagan once conceded a concession to vanity by demonstrating that his shirts were made with flat collars to accentuate his neck.He said he had to do something or he would end up with no neck.I think this issue is being looked at from precisely the wrong angle it is the no neck blimps that are the issue in the Aryan world particularly the women with no necks.

Leonard Rouse
July 25th, 2010, 12:23 PM
http://irritatedtulsan.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/danny-devito-1.jpg

http://www.firedoglake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/Eastern%20Box%20Turtle.jpg

Stronza
July 25th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Is this tall, lean, light & elevated enough for you?

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/106990.jpg

Hilda
July 25th, 2010, 04:20 PM
Can anyone find a picture of a slim woman with "no neck"? I expect there must be some out there.

EDIT: On second thoughts there must be something more worthwhile to do with your time!

colleen
July 25th, 2010, 04:38 PM
Can anyone find a picture of a slim woman with "no neck"? I expect there must be some out there.

EDIT: On second thoughts there must be something more worthwhile to do with your time!

Mary Kate Olsen, she is what all of 80lbs. Doesn't seem to have much of a neck.

http://i26.tinypic.com/r7qflw.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/33z8z7k.jpg

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 07:31 PM
Is this tall, lean, light & elevated enough for you?

http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/106990.jpg

She screws muds, hangs out with queers, and appeases jews to earn her daily bread. Not my type.

But the point of this discussion is that different classes are associated with different physical characteristics. If you didn't know that woman, you could pretty easily guess her particulars from her form alone. Very few proles are that tall and skinny unless they do meth.

Alex Linder
July 25th, 2010, 07:36 PM
Mary Kate Olsen, she is what all of 80lbs. Doesn't seem to have much of a neck.

http://i26.tinypic.com/r7qflw.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/33z8z7k.jpg

Wow, she is seriously disturbed looking. Looks like a cross between a space alien and a female Grinch-who-stole-Christmas.

ray bateson
July 25th, 2010, 08:38 PM
http://i26.tinypic.com/r7qflw.jpg

She looks like the dream candidate for one of those digital joker makeovers.

Nick Apleece
July 26th, 2010, 03:27 AM
http://i26.tinypic.com/r7qflw.jpg


She looks like she's made of wax and Xanax.

Hilda
July 26th, 2010, 03:48 AM
She screws muds, hangs out with queers, and appeases jews to earn her daily bread. Not my type.

But the point of this discussion is that different classes are associated with different physical characteristics. If you didn't know that woman, you could pretty easily guess her particulars from her form alone. Very few proles are that tall and skinny unless they do meth.

That's generally true. I think however that you have to consider whether you might end up with a son resembling this man
http://www.bagofnothing.com/uploaded_images/longneck-729291.jpeg

if you go for a woman with an especially long neck. Especially likely if her husband has a longer neck than usual. Giraffes evolved their form due to long necks breeding with long necks. If that long-necked woman had a child with that fellow they would be evolving something bizarre! Also I expect some very masculine faces on handsome men can be an indication that the daughter could look pug-ugly if certain features are passed on that were not sex-related. For eg a unibrow can be considered by many women as attractive on certain men.

Interesting that scientists say that homosexual activity among giraffes is, in many cases, more common than heterosexual activity. It would be stretching things to suggest their increased neck length has anything to with that though!

Stronza
July 27th, 2010, 02:04 PM
No, I don't see how a long neck or any other unusual conformation of people or animals would "cause" pathology, but it could be said that these are indicators of something that went wrong somewhere down the line. That is, association is not causation, but it is...association. Perhaps extralong necks (or any other unusual trait) could be a marker for certain hormonal tendencies, etc.

In general, I don't think that unusual tallness, severe thin-ness or, extra-long necks are healthy indicators. Traits that would seem to just be purely physical are the outward manifestation of inner genetic turmoil. Look at Abe Lincoln, for one example, who reportedly had Marfan Syndrome.