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Default Re: Victory for White Nationalists attacked in Chicago suburb: ARA is going down!


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I will not go into any big rant for the simple fact that I feel it would be pointless. Everyone is going to continue in their own way with their own thoughts.
I DO feel the true importance, the big picture of all of this being lost with the 'would-have-should-have-could-have
First welcome back , glad you and the others are ok .
Second , do not take half the posts in this thread seriously . I have tried to ignore all the Monday morning quarterbacking I have read . Mostly because it comes from anonymous people who have never faced the situations those who met up in Chicago had to deal with .

I on the other hand , have faced them . And I am so sorry I wasn't there . I was invited but I am under siege here . That said , I know Dresden Burning , you and the others did the right thing .

For all those who want a long winded rant , here goes .....

Many of the posts in this thread have been well meaning but some are just plane rude and dis-respectful to good WN who are standing up for our rights . They are standing up while others who don't have the guts to are sitting at home complaining on the Internet about what should or should not have been done or could have been done better .

There is nothing they could have done better . However since so many want to tell you what you are doing wrong , I think it's only fair to point out the flaws in their logic so here goes .

Why meet in Chicago ? Well , it's actually a very beautiful city outside of the Black areas . Gene and Judes hotdogs are not to be missed if you are in the area . Also the first WN economic summit was in Chicago so this was a home coming of sorts . Given that we have had nothing but good experiences from the area and that we desperately need to establish a presence in major areas Chicago was a good choice . At the first meeting in Chicago , one of our goals was to use the major airport hubs to facilitate larger meetings . Growth was one of our goals . And Whites keep fleeing from cities , to suburbs to rural areas so reversing that process has to start somewhere . We can not win this war by running away from the enemy . The purpose of these summits is economic to be sure . That's because economic warfare is something you can do right now to hurt ZOG . Unlike political or military campaigns which are not possible ( Yet ) Economic warfare is a go . If you are not waging it , it's because you don't know or care to . We all must spend our dollars somewhere and we make such decisions twenty times a day at least . Trying to make them in a manner that is good for us and our cause is of the utmost importance. Look at how many people could complain about the meeting and those who attended but how few have contacted We Pay to try and stop the Commies from making bail . Yeah , Nuff said.

Next , we have the countless posts advocating concealed carry or shooting them legally , folks you kill someone in this country even legally and your life will get greatly complicated . From their posts many seem to think that it is no different from a traffic stop . Shoot someone in self defense , show the cop your permit , answer a few questions , remove the corpse and enjoy the rest of your day. It doesn't work like that . I had a friend who worked in a gun store , someone walked in pulled out a gun and shot at him and the others . They fired back in self defense . Killed him . Then the cops , seized the security video , their hand guns ( Expensive custom 1911's and Glocks ) , interrogated them for hours . Then let them go to face weeks of silent agony waiting to see if they would be charged . I saw the pain in my friends face as well as his wife and family . Bear in mine this was inflicted on " law abiding gun owners " , who had witness's and film to prove they acted within the law . The media tried to demonize him and build support but eventually he was cleared of all wrong doing . That is ZOG's way of treating legal self defense shootings from Whites . Needless to say if he were WN instead of just White his treatment would have been worse . Anyone who was not blind could review the facts , see my friend acted in self defense and not trouble him further but no. Best to put him through the wringer , because a system that wants you dead is never going to be happy you use force to stay alive . Even less so if that force is used on a group that the system supports and it will be madder still if you use the life you have saved to work to destroy the system.

So with that said , the next item is , why not have the meeting in a more gun friendly environment ? Well , there are none . Some are better than others , but even FL which has liberal concealed carry laws , right to stand your ground etc. Will bend over backwards to charge you with murder if you dare fight back . Ask George Zimmerman . If a violent Black thug is attacking you that would seem to make it self defense to shoot him . I underline the words seem to be .
With help from the media , the career criminal attacker is now the victim and the Hispainic George Zimmerman is now portrayed falsely as White . Again ZOG simply doesn't play fair . It never has and it never will . It will alter realty to suit it's purpose . Remember Iraq and it's weapons of mass destruction anyone .

Guns and concealed carry are important but nobody should plan a WN event around them . I know as I helped plan and fund a very large and successful SF Conference last year . We picked TN because it was centrally located , had a large WN population , lots of hotel facilities and a major airport . Firearms laws were of secondary importance . That said security was tight , guards were on duty with more in reserve and we had armed back up . I am glad our contingency plans were never implemented because I knew the hell that would befall those people brave enough to defend our guests . I was very worried about another Greensborro massacre . Some in this thread seem to want another one . I most certainly did not . Again the KKK clearly acted in self defense in Greensborro but that didn't matter . Yes , they were acquitted but they never should have been put on trial.

So I don't worry much about which states allow or don't allow concealed carry . And neither do our enemies . Flash mobs of non-Whites have attacked Whites everywhere in areas with or without concealed carry . They know there is not a Pro-White government anywhere . They attacked outside of Kansas City in Missouri which has concealed carry and in Wisconsin which doesn't . Whites instinctively know ZOG will protect non-Whites who attempt to murder them . Remember the Jenna 6 ? They were charged with attempted murder . Why ? Because they tried to kill somebody . To me it makes sense to charge those who attempt to kill someone with attempted murder but to ZOG it's a Snivel Rights violation , not of the victims but of the attackers . Again reality is redefined to suit ZOG's goal .

Anyone who doesn't understand that ZOG cheats should not post in this thread . It doesn't matter if you have a permit or not . Anything you have to ask permission for is not a right but a privilege . And privileges can be revoked . And when you defy the will of the system that gave them to you , they most assuredly will be . The system that has decided to genocide us will not take kindly to us shooting those it allows to attack us . And the idea that if we stand up for ourselves they will back down is utterly laughable . If one attempt to destroy us fails they just proceed to the next one .

It truly doesn't matter if you and your guns are legal . Ask business owners after the LA Riots who fired on Black thugs while the police stood by and did nothing . The cops did manage to raid dozens of White and Korean business owners and seize their guns so they couldn't fight back in the future . That should tell you who's side they are on . Hint , it's not ours .

The next in our complaint list is why not meet in remote areas or on private property ? Surely ZOG can't blame us for defending against a home invasion or such ? Wrong . Meeting in remote areas is the eat , meet and retreat strategy that has utterly failed our people .

If you want a safe place to complain about things then meeting in remote areas under armed guard is the way to go . ZOG will not likely bother you , because you are not accomplishing a damm thing . ZOG has done it's level best to isolate us from the White public . It knows we have to reach them in order to save them . And reaching them means reaching out to them .

And that means taking chances . We can try to minimize the risks but they can never be eliminated . It's the price we pay to free our people . We have to take our message to the people . That means online via SF , on the air ( Don and Derek Black show ) and the big one in person at events around the country . We had plans for major airport hubs and that will not change . Atlanta , Denver and Texas are all possible future sites . Possibly in time Washington DC or N. Virginia . Chicago , Omaha , Portland and Knoxeville have already hosted SF events .

The majority have been great events and I have no plans to quit while I am winning . Meeting in remote territories will have the effect of yielding territory to other races , meeting in contested areas is about reclaiming territory . That is our goal . And I truly hope it is yours ? If it is , come visit us when we are in Chicago again . Which , I know we will be

Okay by now I have made my point that the " Right" to keep and bear arms has been watered down so much as to prove a double edged sword for us at the present time .

So we have lots of posts suggesting alternative , non lethal means of self defense . Baseball bats , stun guns , mace etc. Well the problem is that to a potential jury it show pre-meditation . If we are meeting for a Pro-White softball game then we could bring BaseBall bats but if we are having lunch it's harder to explain.

Truth is they are not needed . I have fought the Commies in the streets . I was at the NSM dinner in Trenton , NJ . So I know what it's like to have your meal interrupted by an ARA ambush . Truth is we have all the weapons we need . Having gone toe to toe with them I can say without hesitation they are the biggest cowards on this earth . They can't fight worth a damm . Any injuries they inflict are usually in the first moments after that they run away and any that don't retreat fast enough are injured and or arrested .

It's only scary the first few seconds . When I walked out the church in Trenton there was a lot of sunlight and then I saw an angry mob who wanted to maim or kill us . My first thought , " They have to wear masks because they are so ugly " , didn't realize I said that aloud till I watched the videos on You Tube .

Anyway once we had chairs it was a fair fight and they ran. Since every indoor WN event I have been at has chairs , just grab one and think about the last wrestling match you saw and then do what comes naturally . Trust me , beating a Commie over the head with a chair is a good feeling . I enjoyed it in Trenton and wiill undoubtably do so again .

Now mind you if you don't have a chair for some reason , use your car keys . Until I found that chair that Jeff Schoep dropped , I had my car keys . They tried to blind NSM members with mace , I prefer the old fashioned way of simply gouging somebody's eyes out .

Also most restaurants have knives . Even a steak knife driven through someone's neck or eye will make them think twice about attacking others in the future . Fact is any weapon will do if you will do . The easiest person to scare is a coward . Why ? Because they already are You just have to remind them they are afraid . Once you do that , you have won.

In truth the overwhelming theme of those critical of the events in Chicago are focused on avoiding or destroying the ARA . The ARA are a symptom of the problem , not the problem . It is the system that protects them while persecuting us that is the problem . Without the systems protection , ARA would not last a day. And they know it

I understand people's frustrations . I understand people are fighting mad and want to give these creeps some of their own medicine but in a way that doesn't bring ruin to them and their families . But some of the posts in this thread borderline on blaming the victims . Same thing after Trenton . Honest debate and well intentioned ( Even if erroneous ) advice are welcome . But " Keyboard Commandos " are not .

The idea that because you have jumped through every legal hoop or barrier ZOG has entitles you to shoot those ZOG has sent to attack you simply doesn't work . Remember " The nail that sticks up gets hammered down " . Take it from one who has been hammered . It hurts . My association with SF , the NSM and other Pro-White groups has cost me almost everything . It has limited my freedom , destroyed me financially . Damm near killed me.
The knowledge I share with you , I acquired at great cost . Use it well .

The people who hacked the Anti's website did good . That was smart , effective , untraceable , and it showed the anti-Whites we can play dirty too.

Some of the posts in this thread have called for us to use the ARA's methods against them . Set up a fake target for them to attack , lure them to remote areas and dispose of them . Try and find a legal way to shoot them . None of these is viable .

A phony conference would have to be advertised widely . And we couldn't let guests in because that would put them in danger . Also refunding their fees and such at the last minute would alienate them . They wouldn't know it was all just a planned set up . And those willing to exterminate the ARA can't take a hundred strangers into their confidence by telling them they are really just using them as cover for illegal acts . Even if someone were dumb enough to try this , posting about it in a public forum that is monitored daily by up to 70,000 guests who could be anyone , should be enough to convince you that approach is not workable .

As for getting them to fight themselves or ZOG's cops that idea has merit . But the devil is in the details and I am not going to discuss potential strategy here .

As for the many posts requesting that the justice system deal harshly with the attackers , sorry that is the most outrageous of all . Our people are not going to be protected by those who wish to kill them . That would be like asking Jack the Ripper for help to fend off a purse snatcher . Probably wouldn't end well . Yes , I know we have a basic sense of honor , justice and fair play . Problem is in this world that is a liability . Obeying rules and regulations the other side is trashing is pointless and stupid . Our government wants us extinct . And those who want you dead are unlikely to punish those who tried to kill or attack you . Sorry . If they don't recognize your right to exist why on earth would you expect them to recognize your right to assemble , or to freedom of speech, much less your right to keep and bear arms ?

Anybody who thinks a concealed carry permit is a license to kill has simply seen one to many James Bond movies . Once you stand up to your attackers , you might get the courage to stand up to those who supported your attackers . That is ZOG's greatest fear . That you will fight back .

A CCW is a badge of shame not honor . If you have to ask permission to defend your life then your life must not be very important . Would any of you ask a burglar for mission to own a gun or to shoot him if necessary ? Would you ask him which guns you could own or how many bullets they can have or how fast they can shoot ? Would you voluntarily give them a list of what weapons you have , so that you may be able to defend yourselves ?

Of course not . But those who would never submit to a criminal submit to a criminal government . All gun control infringes on personal sovereignty . Even back ground checks are wrong because you have a right to your privacy and are presumed innocent .

It is also a conflict of intrest . Thomas Jefferson wrote that " the best reason for Americans to own guns was to protect themselves from their government should that ever become tyrannical . " So asking the government for permission to defend yourself from the government makes as much sense as asking a burglar for permission to defend against burglars .

Add to it ZOG's habit of ignoring whatever facts it doesn't like and some of the well meaning posts suggesting armed self defense could land the posters and or others into a potential sh!t storm they are not ready for .

ZOG's idea of fair play is jailing David Duke for tax fraud in a year he received a tax refund . Your concealed carry permit will mean no more to them than Matt Hale who passed the Illinois bar exam but was forbidden to practice law . He had a piece of paper that said he could do something but he had powerful enemies who didn't want him to do it and guess which one won ? Just like Derek Black , he was legally elected , has a certificate to prove it and is forbidden to hold the office his constituents elected him to.

That is what WN are facing . Our enemies focus only on destroying us . We should focus only on destroying them . But given the vast disparity in resources and numbers we must be ultra careful how we do it .

Fact is there are ways , not legal ones but ways to destroy the ARA forever but it would not serve us well to discuss them here . Suffice it to say that with so many of them on drugs , a gang or drug related shooting of ARA members is probably in the future . Also one batch of them may target the wrong people and the system may take them down . All they are is White people in masks with hoodies , bandannas , hammers , why anyone could impersonate them and they could be blamed for virtually anything ( Hint , hint )

That said if the ARA were destroyed tomorrow it would mean nothing until ZOG's defeat . They could use their swat teams for muscle or recruit a gang of thugs who could actually fight .

The ARA are an international fraternity of mental cases who fight like the faggots many of them are . They have a habit of creating sympathy for those who they attack . The cops in Trenton posed for pictures with men in SS uniforms . Couldn't have happened without the Commies .

So for right now unless you have the opportunity for untraceable violence , your best bet it to focus on what works . Distributing information , in person or online , building White media and communities ( SF , Ple's etc.)

But above all get to know each other . We are like the cells of some great organism ( Our race ) each of us unique and valuable but also part of a greater whole . Coming together is key . That's what our enemies fear most . They tell us that by how far they go to stop us from meeting .

Anyone who organizes Whites for the betterment of Whites moves to the top of ZOG's sh!t list . I found that the hard way . So have Don , David , Matt Hale , Tom Metzger , and many others .

What Boot said is true . Being anonymous is one of our main weapons . But we also need to start the process of coming together . I understand many people's desire for privacy and security but those things are heading the way of the Dodo . And so are we . Unless we work together.

You need to take a stand . Do so in your own way at your own pace . You would know your situation better than I . Some will always prefer the lone wolf method . That's fine . Never have all your eggs in one basket . But don't starve to death because all your eggs are hidden and unavailable .

Again everyone is entitled to their opinions . But the opinions of those of us who have been in the position that faced our Chicago area Comrades know they did the right thing .

They reached out to all who seemed promising . They targeted real areas in which they could make a difference ( Economic warfare ) . They spent much time and money organizing it . When they were attacked from behind by armed thugs , they immediately rallied , protected the women and elderly , improvised weapons and put the Commies to rout . And left 5 of the enemy in jail facing federal charges and civil suits for damages . All the while leaving the Commies with a public relations nightmare to go along with their legal and financial ones.

They were treated badly by the cops . Detained for hours . Paraded arround on the street as if they were the criminals . Have had their neighborhood's
vandalized by leaflets accusing them of holding unpopular opinions .

But worst of all they have to log in here and read rubbish about what they could have done better or what not . Again from one who has been in similar situations they did the best job possible under a most trying set of circumstances .

For those of you who think you could do better , well show us how it's done . Be nice to see those who won't use their real names and are afraid to meet others go out there , shoot some reds , claim self defense and watch as horror of horrors , your name and address become public record . Your neighbors stop talking to you . You worry about your financial future and your ability to provide for your loved ones .

Or you could be taken by surprise and just have to do the best you can to defend yourself and your loved ones . Like I did in Trenton . Which most of you would never be seen dead at because you might be called a " Nazi " or " Racist " . Well if you would run from insults you will likely run from and angry mob . I however ran to the fight . I did my best , gave one a nice headache and managed to protect Lady Celtic from having her hair parted with a rock . If you throw yourself in harms way to help others and our race as our allies did in Chicago . You are worth your weight in gold to our movement . If you stand in the shadows hoping to avoid or minimize conflict , while second guessing those on the front lines ,You are not helping. You can post here anonymously but people will hopefully prefer my rant to yours .

Half the posts in this thread are written by well meaning people who don't fully comprehend how difficult it is to hold a WN event . Some seem designed just to cause trouble , get attention or relieve frustration .

Some have been from those directly involved and are must read . And there are those posts from people who are trying to help . Anyone who has proposed reaching for their guns without reaching for a phone or computer to contact We-Pay should be banned . That is a safe and legal way for WN to hurt the ARA but so few seem to have seen it . Much less seized it

Shame , it is safe , sane and legal . No wonder it is unpopular with many of our posters . If you want to shoot it out with the Commies , I can't stop you . Actually , I am all for it but only as soon as our situation permits . Before a WN reaches for a gun in this political climate , they better be prepared to die as well as prepared to kill . Self defense maybe no defense if our enemies want you bad enough.

They will no doubt try and disrupt future events and they will no doubt fail . More and more people are meeting . Some are advertised . Some are not . People often bring their families , even their pets . I danced with a Bull Mastiff named Clyde in a parking lot in Omaha . All the while Truck Roy , his wife and newborn son watched and laughed .

When I heard of this attack my first thought was , I should have been there . My second thought is what if Truck Roy or others brought their wives and kids to this one ? The Commies have even less honor then they do courage and that is saying something . I tried to imagine us in a restaurant in Omaha trying to protect our loved ones from 18 armed goons . There were about 20 of us at dinner , but most were women and children . I know , I paid . ( Those were the days , sigh )

Then I realized the quality of people we had . And I realized what I would do if I were Truck Roy and that was my wife and newborn son in danger . Then I realized with people like that , we would have fought like we were at the gates of hell to protect them . So our loved ones were safe the whole time .

And if we had to defend ourselves , we undoubtably would have countless people posting about what we did wrong or could have done better etc. And again , after Trenton , the most disappointing was the lack of support from our supposed allies .

Perhaps the worst of all was Wayne Aka Muadib's post on eNationalist . Thank God , SV deleted it . But not before I and many others saw it . Nice to here him carrying on about " uniforms " , and his personal disagreements with Lady Celtic , Driven Sno etc. He didn't know what happened , who was hurt , bleeding or even alive but that didn't stop him from telling the world what he thought we were doing wrong and giving everyone advice on how to win a battle he wasn't even in. I know he is a popular figure for some , and a polarizing one for others . I have some friends who speak highly of him and some who can't stand him . But I lost a lot of respect for him then and there .

He has never wronged me personally and his reputation has been unfairly targeted by others , but he has shown himself to be a bully . That's why he is not a mod or member here . Sure there were many factors but if they were all gone he would still be a bully and would eventually find his way to the exit . I always enjoyed his writing but as I see it he took a cheap shot at us so here buried in this , my longest rant ever is my response .

You don't have to be Sun Tzu to know that the first step towards winning a fight is to show up and fight . It doesn't matter what "uniform " you wear . I wore a suit and tie , so did Jeff Schoep and we were hated and attacked just as much as those in SS uniform . Jared Taylor is always well dressed . GQ would be proud . But he has been run out of two towns and finally held a meeting with his supporters in a area where SF was already building something for our future . We not only paved the road , we are building the roads . That takes , time , money , teamwork , sacrifice and above all ........... TRUST .

Trust is the key to any community or lasting endeavor . It is the thing in shortest supply in the WN movement ( Cash , hope , teamwork , are also scarce ) but trust is at a critically low point .

Again the purpose of the attack in Chicago was to intimidate Whites from meeting as Whites for the betterment of Whites . If the enemy thinks it's so important to attack us to keep us apart . Then it is more imperative than ever that we keep meeting .

Yes , we had a traitor in Chicago . We will find the source of the problem and eliminate it . Yes , a security force like a modern day SA or SS is the next logical step . It won't be called that or dress like that but we will need it if only for crowd control. Because we are going to keep drawing larger and better crowds . And when we consistently put up large number of people in our venues , the ARA style attacks will be a thing of the past . They simply do not have the numbers or the courage for large scale battle. They will not always out number us as some in this thread predicted . Quite frankly we out number them vastly right now . Problem is so many who support our movement don't participate in it . And that is the real trouble .

Whatever others decide I am moving forward . I have paid a price for my beliefs that I wouldn't wish on any of you . But those sacrifices and that of countless others must not be in vain . We are building , media , meetings and momentum and I and many others are going forward . If any of you wish to stay behind , have fun .

The major reason for last years SF Conference was the two failed Am-Ren conferences . After that I went to Trenton because it was imperative that another Pro-White event not be shut down . If the ARA had succeeded in NJ , the WN movement would be on the verge of becoming a underground movement . It is already partially so and that is good . But we have to be able to reach the public in order to teach the public . We should not have all our cards on the table to be sure but we can't be barred from the casino and hope to win either. Some didn't even want the event advertised at all . I argued it had to be . We had to have a large , public , successful event without incident . And we did and we will again.

In my opinion those WN who don't pursue growth , pursue failure . Not only for themselves but for us all . They can now resume posting what others do wrong , I am almost finished . This my longest post ever and that's saying something . But it needed to be said . I know some in Chicago would like to issue statements and or rant but have been requested by SF mods and the cops not to comment .

Still I haven't been told not to and probably wouldn't listen anyway . I empathize with those who were there and I imagine their rants might echo mine . And if others can devote so much time to finding fault with us , well turn about is fair play .

I shall leave you all to decide what you think about my comments . Got to follow up with Alex at We-Pay . Because we all pay if the Commies are set free because we had to criticize each other rather than undertake an important but not too glamourous task . But slow and steady wins the race . That is what " keyboard commandoes " have never understood .

WN is not some action movie or video game . It is hard , largely mundane work done behind the scenes . I have had my say . Congratulations to all those who attended the 5th WN economic summit .

You did well

Take care ,

Al