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Although his politics leads for sure, there may be more than just that playing into the process. I'll try to post some thoughts on this later.
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For anybody who says what he means and means what he says, the probability of being forced to apologize is greatly reduced.
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There could be some new law made insofar as there is a distinction between true threats and threats meant to be perceived as true. White certainly intended a perception of true threats, and that kind of bluffing can cause just as much trouble as a true threat. (The current remedy is to press charges to find out if the threat is true or not.) If any new law results, we can thank Bill White for making it necessary by working so hard at exploiting the loophole. Still, it is not going to have any direct effect on me or anybody that I know. The "civil rights" suit is what concerns me, because this seems to me much more insidious.
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Canada's Mo Dees gets all choked up on the stand. But not one tear, I'll wager, just an attempt to mimic Hollywood jew actors. The defense shoulda asked: "Why no tears"? (Excellent eyewitness reports and insights from Kurtz and Notmenomore. Many thanks)
Lawyer describes fear of White A Canadian human rights lawyer said the neo-Nazi figure urged others to harm him. By Laurence Hammack 981-3239 U.S. v. William A. White Ongoing coverage: Watch the trial throughout the day from inside the courtroom Bios: Meet the people involved in the case Timeline: Catch up on the backstory Not long after the home of a civil rights activist was firebombed in Canada, William A. White logged on to his computer and entered the fray. "Good," White wrote in an Internet chat room for white supremacists. "Now somebody do it to Warman." The person to whom White was referring, human rights lawyer Richard Warman of Ottawa, Ontario, testified Tuesday that he was terrified by that and other posts, which listed his home telephone number and address. "This is publishing a call for my murder, and by extension the murder of my family, to the world," Warman told a federal jury as the trial for White -- the self-proclaimed commander of a Roanoke based neo-Nazi group -- entered its fifth day. The government alleges that White threatened Warman and a half-dozen other people across the country. The vitriolic Internet commentator maintains he stopped just short of the fine line that separates free speech from direct threats. Warman, the only lawyer among the alleged victims, said his fear stemmed from the larger context of White's actions: a neo-Nazi leader proclaiming "Kill Richard Warman" to an online audience of like-minded racists. He compared White's use of incendiary words to pouring a large pool of gasoline and then tossing lit matches in its direction, "knowing eventually that he is going to set it on fire, and kill me, or someone else is going to do it." The dispute between Warman and White began in 2006, when the human rights lawyer participated in efforts to shut down a Canadian-based Web site administered by White. Likening White to a "pit bull on a bone," Warman testified that he was hounded online for years, with insults escalating to death threats. "Mr. White has done all he could to paint a nice, big, fat target on my forehead," he told the jury. But in attempting to discredit Warman, White's attorneys pounced on a speech he made in 2005. The attorney admitted on cross-examination that he told a conference of anti-racist activists that it was "fun" to bring legal action against white supremacists under Canada's human rights act. Warman also said that if he found someone "particularly annoying, I might move them up on the list a bit." Warman described his comments as "two rather weak attempts at humor." Defense attorney David Damico also questioned Warman about his practice of using false names to participate in online discussions among racists. Warman said he was trying to gather intelligence. But he admitted that a human rights commission in Canada once said the practice diminished his credibility. Also testifying Tuesday was Charles Tyson, the former mayor of South Harrison Township in New Jersey. White contacted Tyson after the black mayor made news when racial slurs were spray-painted on a campaign sign in his yard. "Unfortunately, the days when white men would simply burn the local newspaper and run n----r officials out with tar and feathers are past," White wrote in an e-mail that Tyson took as a threat. "However, your incidents give me hope that perhaps we shall see them again." When testimony resumes today, prosecutors will be nearing the end of their case against White. One of the more poignant moments Tuesday came when Warman described the actions he took in response to White's actions. He contacted police, moved so White would not know his whereabouts, even broke with family tradition by using his wife's maiden name when they had their first child. "When my daughter was born," Warman began, his voice breaking. A long pause followed, with the witness holding his right hand up as if to get a grip on his emotions. Then he continued: "I was so concerned about her safety, that her last name is not mine."
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WRT poor organization on the gov't part: the defense was able to show that none of the gov't witnesses, including the two FBI agents and the two sheboons, were able to pinpoint anything in Bill White's letters, magazines or internet broadcasts that was inherently or obviously threatening. Defense even showed that none had even read one of his magazines completely from cover to cover, nor had they listened to any more than the one internet radio show that was entered into evidence. I can only guess that the FBI agents felt no need to do their homework because they assumed that the one or two pieces of evidence would be more than enough to sway the jury. I believe they made a faulty assumption and the jury was not swayed in the least.
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What jurisdiction do the feds use to prosecute White for alleged (bogus) crimes against Warman who is in Canada? Does posting a comment online relating to someone in another country provide the jurisdictional nexus for prosecution?
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The charge under count 3 of the indictment is for violation of 18 USC 1512(b)(1) which states: Quote:
The caption used for 1512 indicates that the subject is witness or victim tampering. I have to say that the evidence and testimony seem to be considerably stronger in support of conviction on this count than any of the other counts. It may well be that the feds only added the other six counts as window dressing to help set up the jury for a conviction under 1512, but the 875 counts are what will change the law. A 1512 conviction will give the opportunity for a lengthy sentence, but won't change that law one iota - neither adding to nor subtracting from the threshold of action required to charge and convict. My reading of 1512 convinces me that it can be used to protect any jigaboo that has any official proceeding in process. Take a gander at 1512: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/71...2----000-.html Just calling a nigger a nigger can be sufficient to get you 20 years here, if the other circumstances are supportive.
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Here, Roanoke reporter Ben Casey, editorialized back in October, why he thinks BW was arrested in the first place. And do note what Casey predicts blacks will do if Obama is assassinated. Hell, Casey knows niggers as well as we do. LOL !!
" Monday bonus column: Free Bill White The Roanoke Times / File I have a theory about why Bill White ended up in jail. It is my own flight of fancy. There is no hard evidence to back it up. I have had no conversations with anyone in a position to know the real story. It's purely a guess, borne from years of covering and observing our criminal justice system, and knowing how some cops and prosecutors think. It goes like this: It is 2008, a history-making election year. Then-Sen. Barack Obama has captured the Democratic Party nomination. Obama has appeared numerous times in Southwest Virginia during the presidential primaries, and now he has scheduled an appearance in Roanoke, the biggest city for miles around. Now, there is a landlord/blogger/magazine publisher/neo-Nazi in Roanoke whose name is Bill White. He has a high IQ and (warning: upcoming contradiction) dresses up in Nazi costumes and celebrates Adolf Hitler's birthday. Bill White / www.splcenter.org On his Web site he posts racist garbage about subhuman "mud people" (the blacks); conniving Jews (tops on his list of evildoers in the world); and phone numbers and addresses of journalists and some non-Nazis White finds offensive. He also writes unkind things about other nincompoops in the white power movement who have called White a fraud. And he has weirdly dreamed, in writing, of slaughtering all his enemies: the blacks, the Jews, the journalists and others whom he blames for personal and societal ills. Occasionally, White publishes a four-color, slick-paper magazine. He solicits donations for it on his (now defunct) Web site, Overthrow.com. Not long before Barack Obama's appearance, White gears up to publish yet another issue and he once again begs on his Web site for contributions to cover the printing costs. www.splcenter.org White already has designed the cover, and it's a real barn-burner. There's a photo of Barack Obama with a swastika-style sharpshooter's gun sights surrounding his head. And the headline: "Kill This NIGGER?" And he publishes that on his Web site. Now, imagine you're in the Roanoke office of the FBI, or the Secret Service or you're a federal prosecutor here. What are you going to do about that? Before Obama gets here, you're going to lock White up. That's what I would do. Because the assassination of the first-ever black major-party presidential candidate in the United States in YOUR town would be one of the more ignoble moments in all of American history, if not world history. It would be worldwide news that would dwarf the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings. It would make the assassination of John F. Kennedy, which is still fiercely debated, look like a pimple on history's ass. It could ignite riots all over the country, like what happened in the wake of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination, and result in hundreds (if not thousands) of deaths and millions (if not billions) of dollars in carnage. The name Roanoke would live in infamy. And that's not going to happen to your town, on your watch. So you're going to lock White up. Why take the chance? As you ponder this question, you engage in a bit of what dramatists call interior monologue. What about White's constitutional rights? "Well," you say to yourself, "he's got the right to publish whatever odious, insulting, scary garbage he wants to. And he has a right to reasonable bail, if he's not a flight risk or a danger to others." But then you weigh those against the harm that not locking him up could cause. "Which would be worse," you wonder: "Trashing one neo-Nazi/attention hound's rights, or having this country plunged in a race war?" That one is not even close. But what if White sues? "That is an easy one," you reason. "While White might win that lawsuit, he would be the most unsympathetic plaintiff in the history of federal tort actions. A jury might find for him, but they would never award him a large sum in damages. It would be hard for White even to find a lawyer to take the case. So you cook up some charges and you lock White up. Problem solved. Barack Obama wins election. There is no assassination. No history-ripping crime in your hometown. No riots all over the nation. You did the right thing, eh? The only problem with this scenario is that, a year later, White is still in jail, after a brief five days of freedom - on bail. His federal charges in Chicago have been dismissed by one of those Jewish judges he vehemently despises. Some other charges in Roanoke remain, but those appear headed for the same fate. White's a narcissistic jerk and a fool. He has frightened a handful of people and insulted others. His bizarre diatribes have stirred up many but directly harmed nobody. He merely calls people names. No sticks, no stones. Barack Obama is still walking the good Earth. So free Bill White. There, I said it.
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This level of stupidity boggles the mind. No wonder the feds went after him. This sort of Hal Turner material makes me wonder whose side White is really on.
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Like the GD kikenmedia has been doing for over half a century, Bill "pushed the envelope" of free speech. And effectively. You did note the question mark at the end of "Kill Obama", didn't you ?? Which made it speech protected by the 1st admendment. Hell, Pat Robertson stated on live TV to millions that certain world leaders oughta be assassinated. And so do those GD war-mongering, jew-worshipping, neocons - politicians AND media hounds alike. Since the jews and their goy whores push the envelope every freakin day, 24/7/365, then one or two of us oughta push it once in awhile, too. Eh ??
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Ben Casey knows niggers as well as we do
I just posted the following comments on Roanoke reporter Ben Casey's blog:
Well what do you know ?? Ben Casey knows "negros" as well as we "white supremacists" do. Here's what Ben wrote back in October regarding what he predicts blacks will do if Obama is assassinated: "It could ignite riots all over the country, like what happened in the wake of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination, and result in hundreds (if not thousands) of deaths and millions (if not billions) of dollars in carnage." (end quote) Hey Ben, you really don't have much faith in blacks acting like responsible, law abiding citizens after all, do ya ?? See ?? You're a white supremacist and you admitted you are in the above quote. You also exposed just how vulnerable civilized nations are when filled with blacks who, as you say, might "ignite riots all over the country" for no other reason than the killing of one single black man. Comment by Glenn Miller — December 16, 2009 @ 12:26 pm
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The magazine isn't as stupid as it looks. It's an expression of Bill White's habit of making himself impossible to ignore, by whatever means necessary. The cover is deliberately provocative but it's asking a question, not making a statement, and the answer given inside is, No, don't kill this nigger. That's why Damico made so much hay out of the fact that various witnesses hadn't bothered to read the magazine. They were reacting to the cover alone. Bill White wanted a reaction, and he got one.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but BW's communications regarding Matt Hale's jury foreman, came well AFTER Matt's trial and conviction. Therefore 1512 should not be applicable to BW. (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to— (1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
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HW - There is some context to that magazine cover.
It was meant to be provocative but it was in conjunction with a report in that issue of the magazine regarding the attempts by the FBI, media, and etc. to trump up a "white supremacist threat" to Obama. Bill White's take was that it was another deliberate step by the establishment to turn the screws on white racial interests by associating them with attempts to hurt Obama. It probably wasn't the best way to sell that point, but Bill White just loves that sort of stuff, so that's what he went with. But it was quite far from advocating the murder of Obama. |
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He brought down the heavy hand of law enforcement on himself. I don't see why he is complaining about it now. The harassment over the phone was equally stupid.
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Remember the JENA-6 ?? After 6 niggers beat one single white boy almost to death for no reason, 20,000 niggers marched in Jena in support of the 6. No whites marched in support of the young white victim. Almost none even had the guts to speak publicly on his behalf. And all the jewsmedia talked about was those poor 6 niggers being too harshly prosecuted. BW reacted by posting the phone numbers of the Jena-6, so "concerned" WNs could give them a piece of our minds. I phoned 3 or 4 of them, myself. Lots of other VNN's phoned, as well. In fact, they got so many calls, the jewsmedia and Al Sharpton complained to then president Bush about it. Oh, glory day.
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