The Occidental Queer - Has TOQ been infiltrated by a gay network?

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by George Witzgall

there are a handful of faggots who are conservative, far far more are liberal (like me on most things).

Plenty of fags are conservative on taxes and spending. It fits their interests, just as the liberal social policies do.

you and jim think just because you've outed the editor of TOQ that you've uncovered a child homo porn ring.

We've asserted nothing but that Brown Johnson is a queer. The rest is speculation, but very reasonable speculation, given the statistics. And given his neurotic defensiveness.

bassanio believes two of every third politician is a pederast.

the world is, alas, so much more boring than your greedy imaginations could bear. sexually, it's like a poor man's ice-cream sundae: 90% vanilla ice cream with only a dribble of chocolate sauce, a smattering of whipped cream, and the odd pink jimmy.

Pay attention to the news. All kinds of Congressmen are caught cheating on their wives, screwing pages, running bordellos out of their townhouses, playing footsie in airport bathroom stalls.

[George Witzgall]

Originally Posted by TowardWewelsburg

There has never been a "conservative Christian mandate" at Occidental Dissent or TOQ. You seem to believe that Original Dissent, Occidental Dissent, and The Occidental Quarterly are all the same entity. They are not. Your posts would be much clearer if you learned to differentiate between Original Dissent and Occidental Dissent.

Crude bigotry of any sort is unfit for an academic Journal, for obvious reasons, but criticism of homosexuality is not verboten at TOQ by any stretch of the imagination. I view homosexuality as a Path of Death and I have no reluctance in sharing that opinion.



Once again, you appear unable to distinguish one web site from another, yet you feel inclined to make lengthy comments on this subject.

Greg Johnson is the editor of The Occidental Quarterly, a print journal, which often publishes Kevin Macdonald's essays. He also runs the TOQOnline (www.toqonline.com) web site. Kevin Macdonald edits his own site/blog, The Occidental Observer (theoccidentalobserver.net). They are separate sites, edited by two different men, but they are both associated with the TOQ print journal and there is frequent overlap among writers.

so sad that you have to spell out basic logic a 10-yr-old would readily grasp unaided. it's always amazing to me that such colorful and compelling writers as one encounters on vnn can have the mental faculties of a pre-pubescent child.

[PeterKramer]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The mental patient's name was published years ago at the Phora. I reposted it because he initiated a campaign of character assassination against me and Jim Giles.

I thought the rule was that even if someone had been outed somewhere else it was still a banning offense to post their name here.

You were winning the argument before you started attacking Johnson and Wallace personally.

Jim Giles doesn't seem too bothered. In fact he's handled this with more restraint than you have. It's enough to say that Wallace is like a fickle woman, changing his philosophy based on his mood not reason. Posting his real name in violation of your own rule, I'll just say it isn't making him look bad.

As for the claim that Johnson is a homosexual, you've got nothing but your word against his and everyone who knows him.

[George Witzgall]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

I thought the rule was that even if someone had been outed somewhere else it was still a banning offense to post their name here.

You were winning the argument before you started attacking Johnson and Wallace personally.

Jim Giles doesn't seem too bothered. In fact he's handled this with more restraint than you have. It's enough to say that Wallace is like a fickle woman, changing his philosophy based on his mood not reason. Posting his real name in violation of your own rule, I'll just say it isn't making him look bad.

As for the claim that Johnson is a homosexual, you've got nothing but your word against his and everyone who knows him.

Alex's point is that Johnson hasn't publicly commented on what turns him on sexually, and those who know him don't know him well enough to know what makes his dick hard. Until all this is out in the open, Alex will remain upset.

[PeterKramer]

Originally Posted by George Witzgall

Alex's point is that Johnson hasn't publicly commented on what turns him on sexually, and those who know him don't know him well enough to know what makes his dick hard. Until all this is out in the open, Alex will remain upset.

I've already compared this to a witch hunt. There's nothing Johnson can say to clear his name. The accusation (based on a movie review he wrote for VNN!) that he may be a pedophile is just crazy.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

I thought the rule was that even if someone had been outed somewhere else it was still a banning offense to post their name here.

There was no outing. His name has been posted at multiple forums for years. I certainly am under no obligation to allow mental patients like Brad Griffin to insult me or anyone else with impunity. If any other good posters here are under attack by sex deviants or insane asylum patients, they can certainly defend themselves by using the criminal's real name.

We already uphold higher posting standards than any other site in WN, but we will respond if attacked. If you have a problem with that, leave.

You were winning the argument before you started attacking Johnson and Wallace personally.

Griffin started the attacks on me. Nor did I "attack" Johnson. Whence this childish pussyfooting? You don't think it's relevant that Johnson takes dick up his ass? Now, answer this question or you're headed for the Tard Corral: should I also cover it up if I learn that Johnson is a pedophile?

As for the claim that Johnson is a homosexual, you've got nothing but your word against his and everyone who knows him.

Really? I haven't seen a single denial that Johnson is a queer.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by George Witzgall

Alex's point is that Johnson hasn't publicly commented on what turns him on sexually, and those who know him don't know him well enough to know what makes his dick hard. Until all this is out in the open, Alex will remain upset.

How many people do you know without knowing whether they're queer or not? Multiple people who have commented, people who claim they have MET Johnson in person, rather pointedly refuse to say whether or not he's a queer. They say they don't know, didn't ask him, or it doesn't matter. That ought to tell you something.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

I've already compared this to a witch hunt. There's nothing Johnson can say to clear his name.

All he had to do to defuse the situation was say that he is heterosexual. He won't do that. There's a reason he won't do that. As I stated, he backed out of a public interview with Jim Giles because he knew Giles would ask him the question.

The accusation (based on a movie review he wrote for VNN!) that he may be a pedophile is just crazy.

Yeah, lots of normal men go to kids movies and write reviews posing as a woman. Very normal, there. And certainly no homosexuals are ever pedophiles, the stats certainly don't show that.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

I've already compared this to a witch hunt. There's nothing Johnson can say to clear his name. The accusation (based on a movie review he wrote for VNN!) that he may be a pedophile is just crazy.

You must now publicly retract your lying claim that Johnson was "accused" of being a pedophile or you are through posting here.

We speculated on whether he was, based on the fact that many homos are. We did not accuse.

[PeterKramer]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

There was no outing. His name has been posted at multiple forums for years. I certainly am under no obligation to allow mental patients like Brad Griffin to insult me or anyone else with impunity. If any other good posters here are under attack by sex deviants or insane asylum patients, they can certainly defend themselves by using the criminal's real name.

We already uphold higher posting standards than any other site in WN, but we will respond if attacked. If you have a problem with that, leave.

Has Hunter been in an insane asylum?

Griffin started the attacks on me. Nor did I "attack" Johnson. Whence this childish pussyfooting? You don't think it's relevant that Johnson takes dick up his ass?

It would be if it were true. So far no conclusive evidence of his homosexuality has been posted. What has been posted has been extremely weak.

Now, answer this question or you're headed for the Tard Corral: should I also cover it up if I learn that Johnson is a pedophile?

Of course not.

Really? I haven't seen a single denial that Johnson is a queer.

I thought Kievsky denied it.

[Alex Linder]

One last post, Peter.

Retract your lie that we accused Brown Johnson of pedophilia or you're out of here.

[PeterKramer]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

You must now publicly retract your lying claim that Johnson was "accused" of being a pedophile or you are through posting here.

We speculated on whether he was, based on the fact that many homos are. We did not accuse.

You were just waiting for an excuse. Do what you want.

[PeterKramer]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

One last post, Peter.

Retract your lie that we accused Brown Johnson of pedophilia or you're out of here.

Walter Winchell invented the sort of insinuation you're using to smear Johnson.

It isn't honorable.

[Alex Linder]

Wrong answer, Pete. In fact I did not want to ban you. I cannot and will not allow you to lie about things so serious.

Accusations of being a pedophile, if unfounded, are prima facie libel. I don't libel people, nor do I allow them to be libeled.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

Walter Winchell invented the sort of insinuation you're using to smear Johnson.

It isn't honorable.

It isn't a smear, it's a fact. I don't insinuate, I report the facts or I speculate, and I make it clear which is which.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by PeterKramer

Has Hunter been in an insane asylum?

I don't know anyone named Hunter.

I thought Kievsky denied it.

Kievsky denied the profile Varg posted belonged to "Greg Johnson." I don't recall him saying anything about Johnson's sexuality. If you would doff your blinders, you'd see that not one person, including Greg himself, will assert for the record that he is sexually normal. No one wants to look like a fool when the truth comes out. Or, in Johnson's case, be caught in a lie.

[George Witzgall]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

How many people do you know without knowing whether they're queer or not? Multiple people who have commented, people who claim they have MET Johnson in person, rather pointedly refuse to say whether or not he's a queer. They say they don't know, didn't ask him, or it doesn't matter. That ought to tell you something.

If someone isn't open about it, it's impossible to know for sure. All I know is I don't much like his annoyingly faggy lilting voice on his radio interview with tom sunic.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by George Witzgall

If someone isn't open about it, it's impossible to know for sure. All I know is I don't much like his annoyingly faggy lilting voice on his radio interview with tom sunic.

He sounds like a faggot because he is a faggot. He's as unAryan in his editorial practices as in his sexual, and, unAryanly, he can't simply admit the problem.

"High road" crew = mental patients, queers and weaklings pretending to be revolutionaries while in reality sucking as much conservative cock as they can get in their throats.

[Alex Linder]

The reason I "attack" these people is out of disgust at their lack of honor.

VNN promoted MacDonald for ten years, and in fact we still do. We promoted him when no one had heard of him. We raised his profile and enhanced his stature. In return, he threw us under the bus in the Giles interview. He doesn't like our taking the low road, but he doesn't blame himself for his hypocrisy, since we have followed the same road for ten years, and he was willing to work with us for most of the way.

Then he has his own or Greggy-the-queer's writer Connolly write an essay talking about the need for a term to describe jewish hate/racism. Of course, I had written on this for years, and even designed a term specifically for it. Now, I don't expect these folks to support the term unless they think it's useful. I DO expect them to acknowledge that someone serious, someone supporting their efforts for a decade, had dealt with this problem seriously, and designed a serious solution to it.

But you see, expecting respect from these people is pointless. The road only goes one way. You help them, but they diss you. They claim they're Aryans, but they don't act nobly. They don't act honorably. Their honor and professional respect only kick in when they're attempting to curry favor with conservatives.

This is what I mean when I say that all of these people, MacDonald, Johnson, TOQ TOO etc - are not Aryans, they're simply conservatives. They grovel before anyone with more money or status than they have, and they shit on their own side.

These are not the men out of whom anything positive for our race can develop. Some of their words are useful, some of their arguments - but that's it. The change we need requires men and honor. Neither of those are to be found among the TOQ/Kevin MacDonald crowd. They are conservatives. They have chosen it, and we have no reason to believe it doesn't reflect their deepest nature.

[George Witzgall]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

The reason I "attack" these people is out of disgust at their lack of honor.

VNN promoted MacDonald for ten years, and in fact we still do. We promoted him when no one had heard of him. We raised his profile and enhanced his stature. In return, he threw us under the bus in the Giles interview. He doesn't like our taking the low road, but he doesn't blame himself for his hypocrisy, since we have followed the same road for ten years, and he was willing to work with us for most of the way.

Then he has his own or Greggy-the-queer's writer Connolly write an essay talking about the need for a term to describe jewish hate/racism. Of course, I had written on this for years, and even designed a term specifically for it. Now, I don't expect these folks to support the term unless they think it's useful. I DO expect them to acknowledge that someone serious, someone supporting their efforts for a decade, had dealt with this problem seriously, and designed a serious solution to it.

But you see, expecting respect from these people is pointless. The road only goes one way. You help them, but they diss you. They claim they're Aryans, but they don't act nobly. They don't act honorably. Their honor and professional respect only kick in when they're attempting to curry favor with conservatives.

This is what I mean when I say that all of these people, MacDonald, Johnson, TOQ TOO etc - are not Aryans, they're simply conservatives. They grovel before anyone with more money or status than they have, and they shit on their own side.

These are not the men out of whom anything positive for our race can develop. Some of their words are useful, some of their arguments - but that's it. The change we need requires men and honor. Neither of those are to be found among the TOQ/Kevin MacDonald crowd. They are conservatives. They have chosen it, and we have no reason to believe it doesn't reflect their deepest nature.

They believe that shitting on you (at least publicly) is what is best for the white race. This doesn't make them ignoble or unAryan. Disloyalty to you is insignificant when it comes to doing what is best for the race.

You and Giles are too quick to impugn the honor (and masculinity) of people who disrespect you because they think you are damaging to the cause.