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Old March 8th, 2010   #21
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My point is, there's an opportunity here. Liberals, christians and the trendy, for their various reasons, don't merely reject being white, they actively run from the label. That is our chance. We can eagerly seize it, declare and define what "White" means, and offer a way of living that is more attractive than what the dominant institutions have to offer.
 
Old March 8th, 2010   #22
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I don't agree. If something were there, plenty of people would follow it. Great minds in fact have never debated what is "white." They've talked about what it means to be human - they've been obsessed over one-size-fits-all universalism, rather than dealing specifically with what it means to be white, which is my point. White only exists today as a negative - something to be attacked in whiteness studies, or blamed in popular culture. Nothing good is ever tied to whites. That's where something positive could work. You see endless articles about what's good for black children, but nothing, ever, written about what's good for white children. All this needs to be made explicit under a marketing label and symbol. That would be the natural way to do it. And it wouldn't be directly political, but it would for that reason be even more threatening to the mongrelist powers that be, and it would lead naturally into something overtly political.



You want the survival of the white race without defining what white is. That's how we got where we are now. Now is the perfect time to define white against the common culture, which is disseminated by jews for their own benefit. Everywhere the jews push into our people should be explicitly and doctrinally resisted. It can be religious or non religious, but will certainly include both genetics and cultural preferences. The openness you're talking about is satified by our not forcing people to adopt our views, even if they're of our race. Let them go mix, if they think that best. Our way has to be more attractive, true, or useful to attract better people to it. If one persuasive man, or one White Congress of leaders, said, "This is what White is, and this is how to live White" - that would be the best starting point. I'm not demanding a super-exclusive, super-tight genetic definition, but a reasonable drawing of lines. And then, yes, handbook level guide to how to live. That's what people don't have now. The reason so many people are christians is because they are virtually the only organization giving people answers. So the quality of their answers doesn't even matter because no one else is offering people any options. TELL people: this is how you live: this is how you run your money, conduct your pesonal relations, play your role in society culturally and via politics. It's the overt political stuff that is not the place to start, as we've seen. Overt White organization go nowhere because they are attacked by the powers that be through the media. So the place to start is with personal stuff, everyday stuff, and that means money and relations with others, and education.
I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts. If you think you can create a new and improved creativity, go for it; personally I think it's a futile exercise.

Look, you don't need to join a cult to live white. All you need to do is pledge to breed with only white people, and instill the importance of maintining your genetic heritage in your kids, so when time comes for them to breed they will also breed white. This is religion enough.
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I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts.
I'm not a Creativist (?), but if Creativity hasn't gone anywhere, you have to at least factor into your assessment that it was quite brutally suppressed by the establishment.

Not only was its main leader thrown in prison for life on trumped-up charges, but there were also legal difficulties in posting its holy books online.
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And it wouldn't be directly political, but it would for that reason be even more threatening to the mongrelist powers that be...
Mongrelist -- did you just come up with that term? It's a good one.
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The reason so many people are christians is because they are virtually the only organization giving people answers.
Material which pertains to this through posts 45 to 51 in this thread:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1108685
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one thing I would agree is a good idea and can bind people together to create a sort of religion is to come up with an educational curriculum for homeschooling your kids on what it means to be white; teach them to respect their heritage, history, and geneology. and to do it in a way that is compelling.

but this is not so much a spiritual thing (although ancestor veneration is spiritual to many). I wouldn't want anyone to force symbols or watered down christianity or new wave odinism on me or my kids (if I had any). I have my own spirituality which is grounded in science and beauty and logic, which I would like to instill in them; it is a meditation on the words in my sig.
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Mongrelist -- did you just come up with that term? It's a good one.
No. A guy named Founders America used to circulate an email, and I got it from him.
 
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I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts. If you think you can create a new and improved creativity, go for it; personally I think it's a futile exercise.
You might be right. Certainly it is not easy to do. But it is my contention that the right person could do it, or the right approach could work. Why not creativity?

1) bad name. Sounds like a combination of Learning Connection or Sylvan center marketing and the sort of silly self-praise you find in singles profiles.

2) "white man's BIBLE" is me-tooism. It was 100% wrong decision to call it "white man's bible" unless you were NOT trying to make a religion out of it, and just make it a handbook.

3) making a RELIGION out of race is just wacky. Does the fact that I belong to a type that requires certain conditions to flourish require a religious skin? No. No more than a python's eggs have to be kept at 78.6 degrees to hatch. The entire PROBLEM with christianity and like insanity is that it invests our lives with things that aint there, and ignores things that are. The chance to live on our own is motive enough and attraction enough without marinating it in rotten lemons.

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All you need to do is pledge to breed with only white people, and instill the importance of maintining your genetic heritage in your kids, so when time comes for them to breed they will also breed white. This is religion enough.
That's what whites are already doing now. The vast majority of white marriages are between whites. The vast majority of whites at the very least wants its race and background to be treated with respect by major institutions. The point is, why should we who created this country and everything good in the world be content with having our free-air normality be reduced, legally and socially, to something akin to nosepicking? Jews didn't build America, jews destroyed it.
 
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That's what whites are already doing now. The vast majority of white marriages are between whites. The vast majority of whites at the very least wants its race and background to be treated with respect by major institutions. The point is, why should we who created this country and everything good in the world be content with having our free-air normality be reduced, legally and socially, to something akin to nosepicking? Jews didn't build America, jews destroyed it.
I think white cohesion would only be enhanced in an organization/religion that stressed loyalty to one another, and social ostracism of those who are expelled or otherwise leave the fold. If you grow up in such an environemnt where all your close friends and family are members, you will try real hard not to fuck up.

It would be a stronger glue than christianity, since above all it would stress loyalty to one another (and the propogation of the collective genepool - Kevin MacDonald talks a lot about this kind of group-evolutionary strategy); your co-racialists would truly be like your extended family (genetically speaking).

But the more baggage you add to it, the less popular it will be. People from all religions should be welcome. You say Christians will be more loyal to christian doctrine than the doctrine of racism, but those who find racism and christianity to be incompatible would not want to be racialists in the first place.

anyway, I'll think more about this later.
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You might be right. Certainly it is not easy to do. But it is my contention that the right person could do it, or the right approach could work. Why not creativity?

1) bad name. Sounds like a combination of Learning Connection or Sylvan center marketing and the sort of silly self-praise you find in singles profiles.

2) "white man's BIBLE" is me-tooism. It was 100% wrong decision to call it "white man's bible" unless you were NOT trying to make a religion out of it, and just make it a handbook.

3) making a RELIGION out of race is just wacky. Does the fact that I belong to a type that requires certain conditions to flourish require a religious skin? No. No more than a python's eggs have to be kept at 78.6 degrees to hatch. The entire PROBLEM with christianity and like insanity is that it invests our lives with things that aint there, and ignores things that are. The chance to live on our own is motive enough and attraction enough without marinating it in rotten lemons.
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you are totally wrong about Creativity in the sense that you compare it to the religious organization christianity represents and the teachings it espauses. Creativity wants the White Man to be a logical, rational, reasonable human standing on both feet with his head held high and his back straight with pride in his heart. Not another slave to a fucking cult but a free thinking Man who will at the same time see jews and other non-white vermin as the enemies they represent to the White Race. It's fine for White's to live White as per their natural instincts, however White's have flaws and one of them are identifying their racial enemies.

Creativity brings it all together. It identifies what is a White Man. It is a guide on how to be White, and it points out the jew as the enemy who should be destroyed once and for all.

You're views are very much in line with Creativity, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. Why is that, may I ask ?

On the other hand I am under the impression that you haven't read Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible. If you have my mistake.

But in any case, I invite you to the Creativity Alliance website to download and read the two Holy Books of Creativity Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible at http://www.creativityalliance.com/

and join the forum and discuss Creativity with us if you have any questions at http://www.creativityalliance.com/
 
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There may be positions we share, but they aren't unique to and don't belong to Creativity.

Like I've said, Creativity made a fatal blunder in calling its book a "bible."

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I've read enough to make a judgment. Its arguments come from a thousand others, nothing original there. What is original in Creativity is unattractive - its symbols, books and general packaging. Creativity comes off as second-rate or crank christianity, which is why it has never attracted any significant following. Deeper than that, I simply don't believe that making a religion out of race is the right way to go.

What we need is a political movement, not a race religion. The only overlap is that the movement must be prepared to kill (and die), not just pass out brochures and vote. We need the mentality and behavior of crusaders, but political rather than religious crusaders.
 
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Sounds like a mirror image of christian science. Christian science is religion claiming to be science- creativity is science claiming to be religion.

Why not take the best of each?
 
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Sounds like a mirror image of christian science. Christian science is religion claiming to be science- creativity is science claiming to be religion.

Why not take the best of each?
They're nothing alike, and there is nothing good in Christian Science. Although it is certainly a good idea to avoid medicine as much as you possibly can, unless there is an unavoidable need for it.
 
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