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Old November 10th, 2010 #1
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Online retail giant Amazon is under fire for selling a book defending pedophilia in its Kindle Store.

The electronic book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct," by Philip R. Greaves II, apparently went on sale on Oct. 28 and costs $4.79 to download.

"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certain rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught," the author says in the product description.

The book has sparked a wave of criticism online, with customers taking to Twitter and elsewhere to ask Amazon to remove the book from their online store and others calling for a total boycott of the company until they do.

On Twitter, scores of users tweeted messages, under the hashtag #amazonfail, asking Amazon to remove the book or calling for an outright boycott of the company.

"This amazon thing is making me ill. I'll choose to not spend my holiday $$ there if they will sell content like that #amazonfail," posted "mommyneedscake."

Amazon did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABCNews.com. But according to the website Business Insider, Amazon issued a statement defending the book's place in the online store.

"Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," the company said.

Amazon Customers Threaten Boycott

Though some may agree with Amazon's free speech position, others online continue to protest the company's decision.

As of Wednesday afternoon, more than 250 customers had left comments on Amazon's site protesting the controversial book.

"As a mother of a child who has been molested, shame on Amazon for allowing such garbage to be sold on it's site. The author of this book is a predator and should never have been allowed to write or promote this trash that is called a book of information. How many children will be assaulted because of this. Amazon-take it off your site," wrote "thirtysomething."
I think I feel a nasty email coming on.

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Gods! This is sick. The only good news is that there are 35 comments and they are all brutally against the book.

Apparently, the US Amazon won't carry it.

Wrong! I just checked, and the US Amazon carries the book. Still, on the US Amazon there are 470 comments, all brutally against the book.

I do a lot of business on Amazon. It's time to re-think that.

Mike

Some even sicker news: The Amazon best seller's rank is such that they are probably selling thousands of these books a week.
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I certainly won't buy anything from Amazon.

It's not so long ago (when the scat film "Centipede" came out) that I said the last two taboos still remaining were child porn and animal porn. With a bit of luck, this book will be pulled and won't contribute to breaking down one of the last two.
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This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certian rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught.
Not only is he a sick bastard, but he's not a very literate sick bastard.
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Anyone who peddles that kind of stuff doesn't need a kindle, they need a kindling.
 
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Whoever wrote that filth ought to have the firing squad.
 
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I believe that it is the first admnd. that we have freedom of speech. Whether we agree or not is not the issue. By law we are obligated to allow the freedom of speech. Also you must take into consideration the fact of the matter we allow other books, and video clips that are fit into the same catagory.

Example, you can purchase books that show step by step instructions on how to kill someone. Also we are able to have websites devoted to this.... http://www.linkbase.org/articles/How...ll-Someone.htm.

Look on any youtube, or public video site and type in "decapitation," you can most likely find explicit materials that show directions, (if not the act itself.)

Can we stop this..... No, unfortunantly, we have an obligation to hold our Constitutional Admnds. to their true words.

Ethically, and morally we as a culture are shocked by this however, if you are offended by this DON'T READ IT.... We can only protect our kids from everything that does not match up with our core values.

View points aside, If you were to write a book on everything you believed in and published it..... Would you want the Country to Ban the book just because they thought you were crazy? Literature is just that. It is a neutral body that is made up of everything that makes us human. To censor some of the bad literature is to silence all literature. This simple RIGHT is among the few that hold us in opposition against a Dictatorship that would silence even the best of intentioned books.

If you do not want this book on the market you are basically stating, "You want to take away the rights of one person because you do not agree with what they have to say."

Course it is a big problem around the world.... People want their rights but refuse to give rights to others. Or in this case take a Constitutional Right away.

We as a society are to quick to take rights away from Homosexuals, and Imgrs. and people of different faiths.

The real problem does not belong with the website or the book itself. Make a distinction to give an educated rebutle on the content. We can not bann the book but we can discuss the actual aspect of the book.

I guess now should be the part where I tell you that I was just picking the opposite to do so. But I am not. I think we as a culture and a society need to use more logic, and think more critically as a whole. When we are trying to do something along this lines, we should see what kind of slippery slope we are headed down.

I am against Child molestation and think we should have those who commit the act placed in a facility where they can receive psychiatric help and seek treatment for their "-philia."

We as a culture want everyone to fit into a peg. The truth is what we should think as individuals and how we act are complete opposites and hold little to no meaning within the opposing settings. I am for taking a stance and voicing the opinion, however, we should approach the argument from the content, not on the book itself.
 
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I believe that it is the first admnd. that we have freedom of speech. Whether we agree or not is not the issue. By law we are obligated to allow the freedom of speech.
I'm guessing you're in the US? We in the UK don't have the same freedom of speech that you do. You have the freedom of speech to say whatever you like. We only have the freedom to say what doesn't upset the Govt or a friend of the Govt. This can change at any given moment without notice, so please don't ask for examples.

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I am against Child molestation and think we should have those who commit the act placed in a facility where they can receive psychiatric help and seek treatment for their "-philia."
I think they should have their neck placed in a noose rather then resort to an iatry or an ology which, being based on mindless pyschobabble, hardly ever work anyway.
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When we are trying to do something along this lines, we should see what kind of slippery slope we are headed down
I would submit that we are at the top of a slippery slope and digging our heels in, trying not to be pushed down it. Paedophilia is probably the last taboo - the last "great evil" in Western society that is still unacceptable. Depravity in films and books has become steadily worse over the decades until things our great-grandparents would have fainted at the very thought of, we happily do with no second thought whatsoever.

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I am for taking a stance and voicing the opinion, however, we should approach the argument from the content, not on the book itself.
I understand your position, but disagree.
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Book now removed from Amazon.
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The Pedophile’s Guide To Love And Pleasure: A Child-Lover’s Code Of Conduct, by American Phillip Greaves, saw a Facebook backlash against the internet shopping site.

Mother Samantha Horton said: ‘I have been using Amazon to purchase my three-year-old’s Christmas presents and this filth is available from the same store? It’s deplorable.’

The book had been on sale since October 28 but was pulled from the site yesterday following the complaints.

The firm had earlier insisted: ‘Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable.

‘Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts. However, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.’

In an interview with CNN yesterday, Greaves, from Colorado said: ‘True paedophiles love children and would never hurt them.’

However, he insisted he did not see ‘kissing and fondling’ children as ‘that big of a problem’.

He said his guide offered tips for ‘child-lovers’ to avoid acting on their impulses and breaking the law.

The £2.97 book was available for Amazon’s Kindle electronic reader.

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/846987-a...#ixzz15Gttjucc
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However, if anyone fancied moaning at Amazon and missed out, you can always have a go at them about these.

Amazon.com: A FARMGIRL'S ANIMAL LUST eBook: Tonia Lee, TABOO LIBRARY: Kindle Store Amazon.com: A FARMGIRL'S ANIMAL LUST eBook: Tonia Lee, TABOO LIBRARY: Kindle Store

Amazon.com: Touch Me: Brother and Sister and Forbidden Love eBook: Casey Parker: Kindle Store Amazon.com: Touch Me: Brother and Sister and Forbidden Love eBook: Casey Parker: Kindle Store

Amazon.com: Brothers and Sisters (Family Sex) eBook: Thomas Wainwright: Kindle Store: Reviews, Prices & more Amazon.com: Brothers and Sisters (Family Sex) eBook: Thomas Wainwright: Kindle Store: Reviews, Prices & more

Amazon.com: Mindy's Family eBook: Esmeralda Greene: Kindle Store Amazon.com: Mindy's Family eBook: Esmeralda Greene: Kindle Store

Thaks to OTPTT for finding these.


So if you're thinking about buying from Amazon again now that they have removed the paedophile book, you may want to rethink your decision.
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The stablishment has long promoted the nabakov book lolita it is in the 100 best books of all time,as late as 1997 jeremy irons was playing the lead in a film of it and threatening to leave the UK as the uncut version was never released in the UK.I recall taking the later self confessed pedophile Strom to task on this issue of the film and book at the time 1997 at the old yahoo Instauration forum.Strom and his glee club ( much like antifaowens and his glee club here) claimed it was literature.I said they were all nonces who fantisised the same thing for themselves I was banned.
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I've never read or seen "Lolita" though I've heard of it and heard of the fuss about it, obviously. If it is as I've heard and the girl in it was 13 then that classes as paedophiliac material as well, in my opinion, although I don't class it as being as bad as this book. Don't ask me why because I can't put it into words. Maybe because this book appears to contain a chapter on "how to get yourself out of it when nicked" and therefore offers more immediate danger. I don't know.
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I've never read or seen "Lolita" though I've heard of it and heard of the fuss about it, obviously. If it is as I've heard and the girl in it was 13 then that classes as paedophiliac material as well, in my opinion, although I don't class it as being as bad as this book. Don't ask me why because I can't put it into words. Maybe because this book appears to contain a chapter on "how to get yourself out of it when nicked" and therefore offers more immediate danger. I don't know.
Unlike the latest paedophile book lolita is in virtually every public library and school in the nation.The argument in its favour seems to be that because nabakov was a pointy head than its fine and dandy.With every cunt on the planet from stanley kubrick,irons,melanie griffiths,sting lining up to defend it.It is my contention that nabakovs book and the subsequent conviction of strom at least in "movement" terms is the immediate danger.Look at the sex obsessed weirdos posting here deviants like charley horse and raving iron.According to frankfurt they see a cunt like strom lauding it they see it as enhancing their philosophy to read and emulate the blighter in the book. You cannot have it both ways nabakov advocates must be squashed like bugs they are as much scum as pete wheres the book townsend
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You cannot have it both ways nabakov advocates must be squashed like bugs they are as much scum as pete wheres the book townsend
I'm not trying to have it both ways. I clearly said that I approved of neither but in my opinion, the "how to get away with it" guide seemed worse to me for reasons that I can't quite articulate.


Townsend probably lost all the "material" and "research" he had gathered for the book when he got nicked. Or something.
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Townsend probably lost all the "material" and "research" he had gathered for the book when he got nicked. Or something.
Are you now defending wheres the book townsend ? In 2007 the investigative journalist Duncan Campell ( a poof) proved that townsend could not have subscribed to the website he was accused of subscribing to.On the face of it exoneration until one considers why Townsend and his legal team accepted a caution.The answer of course is that he had not subscribed to one single pedophile website but a whole raft of them and probably could not tell whether he had or not.Yet they let the Who play at the rose bowl.Further in the newly released runaways film prominence is given to two garry glitter songs is he getting royalties ? Even more grotesque the NHL hockey league is still paying glitter royalties for his rock'n roll leave alone what obvious paedos jackson and king are raking in.
We also have wyman everyones favourite stone,sting darling of the chattering classes and of course presley and lee lewis.Popular culture is littered with these nonce cases and no one takes a blind bit of notice it is truly grotesque
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Are you now defending wheres the book townsend ?
Get a large stick, engrave the word "sarcasm" on it, and slap yourself upside the head with it. Of course I'm not defending him - I'm saying he would probably try and claim his "book research" was all lost when the police seized and presumably destroyed his hard drive and whatever other filth he had.

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Don't forget Chuck Berry.
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Or the Bay City Roller guy.
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LAKELAND, Fla. (AP) - A Colorado man who wrote "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" has been sentenced to two years' probation in Florida. As part of a deal with Polk County prosecutors, 48-year-old Phillip R. Greaves II pleaded no contest Wednesday to distributing obscene material depicting minors engaged in harmful conduct. He will serve his probation in Colorado and won't have to register as a sex offender.

Greaves' self-published book caused a flap when it showed up on Amazon in November. It was later removed from the site. Florida deputies were able to arrest Greaves in December, because they ordered a copy of the book and had it mailed to a Lakeland address. A Polk County judge issued a warrant for Greaves' arrest, and he was extradited to Florida.
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Yes well, seeing who is responsible for Amazon Kindle

http://www.thejewishweek.com/blogs/j...s_israel_story

I am not at all surprised by what they were pushing on line.

But what is very sad is this:

"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certain rules for these adults to follow."

So he gives pedophiles rules to follow? Please help me here, what are the rules for pedophiles?
 
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Unlike the latest paedophile book lolita is in virtually every public library and school in the nation.The argument in its favour seems to be that because nabakov was a pointy head than its fine and dandy.With every cunt on the planet from stanley kubrick,irons,melanie griffiths,sting lining up to defend it.It is my contention that nabakovs book and the subsequent conviction of strom at least in "movement" terms is the immediate danger.Look at the sex obsessed weirdos posting here deviants like charley horse and raving iron.According to frankfurt they see a cunt like strom lauding it they see it as enhancing their philosophy to read and emulate the blighter in the book. You cannot have it both ways nabakov advocates must be squashed like bugs they are as much scum as pete wheres the book townsend
An argument for the novel ''Lolita'' is that it has an ironic element. The author Nabokov was a Czarist White Russian exile, and only started writing in English after years writing in Russian, and moving from Europe to America. It may be that the relationship between the middle-aged literary college teacher and the somewhat forward and manipulative adolescent girl, represents something of the relationship between exiled Czarist Russians and 1950s American society. Nabokov refused to discuss this for some time, until in a positive interview he commented that it might be more an allegory for his own relationship with the English language. The first film, with James Mason did have an obscure almost satire element to it. I haven't seen the Jeremy Irons film, but it's maybe a straight perv version. I think the link to the Czarist 1950s bitterness has been forgotten. There may be a somewhat vicious comment at American wealthy naivety, and also defeated Czarist decadence, in the novel.
 
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Only a Paedophile could write such disgusting filth! I would arrest all those who Bought the Book, there should be a Police Investigation. Its safe to say anyone who would read such filth is a Nonce and put on a Sex Offenders Register! Amazon really does peddle filth
 
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