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Old November 21st, 2011 #21
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Old November 22nd, 2011 #23
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The critical issue is that so many states kept printing their Constitution copies with the 13th Amendment incorporated as ratified. 23 or 26 states, territories will not make a “mistake” like this! There were no nigger secretaries at the time working for the states!

It is time to dig up every written document from Virginia from the time and examine them! Even private letters. The proof is going to be there that Virginia ratified the 13th!

We (barely) exist in a country that has been stolen from us!
 
Old November 22nd, 2011 #24
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What a superb issue! Why has this not been put to the forefront before now?
 
Old November 22nd, 2011 #25
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This is all most interesting.

I remember years ago there being discussion of a "13th Amendment" that was different from what we have today. Now, it seems there has been a great deal more research done, and a lot more facts uncovered.

What I'd like to learn more about now is the mechanisms that were used to surpress the "original" 13th Amendment. If the printed copies all across the Republic started to have the 13th dropped from publication at various times after the civil war, then one would think there should be extant contemporaneous newspaper articles, etc., discussing the "error" or whatnot. Surely the researchers (especially those interested in proving the absence of ratification) should be interested in documenting the unfolding of the recognition of absence of ratification.

What exists in this regard?
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Old November 22nd, 2011 #26
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What exists in this regard?

http://usa-the-republic.com/amendmen...0Amendment.pdf


The "Missing Thirteenth Amendment": Constitutional Nonsense and Titles of Nobility

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Old November 22nd, 2011 #27
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It is time to dig up every written document from Virginia from the time and examine them! Even private letters. The proof is going to be there that Virginia ratified the 13th!

We (barely) exist in a country that has been stolen from us!
I much rather people spend their time in helping our fellow Whites to understand the importance of securing the future of the White race. Besides, the records that you are looking for no longer exits due to the War of 1812 where England burned down the White House and destroyed the records. In Virginia, due to the same war, records were destroyed and there was not much legislative activity.

Some further comments:

Since 1983, researchers have uncovered evidence that:

The 13th Amendment prohibiting "titles of nobility" and "honors" appeared in at least 30 editions of the Constitution of the United States which were printed by at least 14 states or territories between 1819 and 1867.

Either this Amendment was:

Unratified and mistakenly published for almost 50 years; or

Ratified in 1819, and then illegally removed from the Constitution by 1867.

If this 13th Amendment was unratified and mistakenly published, the story has remained unnoticed in American history for over a century. If so, it's at least a good story -- an extraordinary historical anecdote. On the other hand, if Dodge is right and the Amendment was truly ratified, an Amendment has been subverted from our Constitution. If so, this "missing" Amendment would still be the Law, and this story could be one of the most important stories in American History. Whatever the answer, it's certain that something extraordinary happened to our Constitution between 1819 and 1867.

Other important issues:

1. The US Constitution is silent on whether the 3/4 of the states requirement applies to the number of states within the union at the time Congress sends the Amendment to the states for ratification, or whether the 3/4 requirement applies to the number of states at the time of ratification of the Amendment.

2. If the later, to pass the TONA all that is needed is for Virginia to ratify TONA for it to be the 28th Amendment to the US Constitution.

3. There is some disagreement about the ability of a state to rescind an amendment ratification prior to full ratification. In U.S. history, thus far, no rescinded ratifications have made a difference in the long run, though they certainly have happened, especially to the Reconstruction Amendments, 13 through 15.

4. There is no time limit and the TONA can still become part of the US Constitution.

5. In one case, the TONA was included in the US Constitution for one state even though that state was still unsure of it being ratified.

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Old November 22nd, 2011 #28
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I much rather people spend their time in helping our fellow Whites to understand the importance of securing the future of the White race. Besides, the records that you are looking for no longer exits due to the War of 1812 where England burned down the White House and destroyed the records. In Virginia, due to the same war, records were destroyed and there was not much legislative activity.
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History is my home territory. Believe me the proof is there in Virginia all over. It is in old letters and other papers that were not burned. Just a few private letters that state clearly the fact of the ratification and some newspaper clippings would be considered 100% proof by sane historians.

Based on the facts lined up here it is a fairly clear-cut situation: The masons and lawyers of the time quickly recognized the importance of the 13th Amendment and slowly pushed it out of existence. If a large number of researchers would jump on the issue this is what they would find.

The issue was so effectively suppressed that most of us here had never heard about it. Just like Ezra Pound’s essay on Social Credit after 1930 was simply wiped off of the face of this earth…
 
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http://usa-the-republic.com/amendmen...0Amendment.pdf


The "Missing Thirteenth Amendment": Constitutional Nonsense and Titles of Nobility

Jol A. Silversmith
SilverBoy is highly hostile to the possibility of excluding parasites from public life. He is totally biased. Nothing is written there that excludes the possibility of Virginia ratification. I do not even believe his “facts.”


“CONCLUSION

The Titles of Nobility Amendment does not have an illustrious history. The reasons for its proposal are obscure; what we know of them suggests partisan politics or xenophobia, neither an admirable nor worthy motive for amending the Constitution. The amendment's history is likewise obscure; scholars have almost universally failed to portray it accurately, amplifying the confusion about the amendment. Today, it is virtually forgotten, meriting at most a few lines in even the most detailed tomes on the Constitution.”

http://usa-the-republic.com/amendmen...0Amendment.pdf
 
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