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April 7th, 2012 | #1 |
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Günter Grass' Poem: What must be said
Günter Grass. - was gesagt werden muss
http://www.ardmediathek.de/ard/servl...entId=10040866 http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/grassgedicht102.html http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/grassgedicht116.html |
April 7th, 2012 | #2 | |
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Good to se him stand up to Israel, even though I can't respect a liberal who stood behind Clinton and fully supported the NATO aggression on Serbia.
He was also initially againt the reunification of Germany Quote:
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April 7th, 2012 | #4 |
The anti-Jew.
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Günter Grass schlägt mächtige Schneise zur Kritik am jüdischen Aggressionsstaat
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April 8th, 2012 | #5 | |
The anti-Jew.
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Israel declares Guenter Grass persona non grata
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April 8th, 2012 | #6 |
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In Defense of Guenter Grass' Poem:
What must be said Why did I remain silent, silent so long, about something so clear we used in war games, where, as survivors, we are just the footnotes? That is the claimed right to the formal preventive aggression which could erase the Iranian people dominated by a bouncer and moved to an organized jubilation, because in the area of his competence there is the construction of the atomic bomb. And then why do I avoid myself to call the other country with its name, where since years – even if secretly covered - there is an increasing nuclear power, without control, because unreachable by every inspection? I feel the everybody silence on this state of affairs, which my silence is slave to, as an oppressive lie and an inhibition that presents punishment we don’t pay attention to; the verdict “anti-Semitism” is common. Now, since my country, from time to time touched by unique and exclusive crimes, obliged to justify itself, again for pure business aims - even if with fast tongue we call it “reparation” - should deliver another submarine to Israel, with the specialty of addressing annihilating warheads where the existence of one atomic bomb is not proved but it wants evidence as a scarecrow, I say what must be said. Why did I stay silent until now? Because the thought about my origin, burdened by an unclearing stain, had avoiding to wait this fact like a truth declared by the State of Israel that I want to be connected to. Why did I say it only now, old and with the last ink: the nuclear power of Israel threat the world peace? Because it must be said what tomorrow will be too late; Because - as Germans and with enough faults on the back - we might also become deliverers of a predictable crime, and no excuse would erase our complicity. And I admit: I won’t be silent because I had enough of the Western hypocrisy; Because I wish that many will want to get rid of the silence, exhorting the cause of a recognizable risk to the abdication, asking that a free and permanent control of the Israel atomic power and the Iran nuclear bases will be made by both the governments with an international supervision. Only in this way, Israelis, Palestinians, and everybody, all people living hostile face to face in that country occupied by the craziness, will have a way out, so us too. … http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04...guenter-grass/ |
April 11th, 2012 | #7 |
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I’ve Been Duped’ Reflections on Israel and Palestine. by Rick Steves
… it showed me how my understanding of the struggles in the Middle East has been skewed by most of our mainstream media. I saw how coverage of the Israeli/Palestinian problem is brilliantly controlled and shaped. I pride myself in understanding how the media works… and I find I’ve been bamboozled. … http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-s...b_1401220.html Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land U.S. Media & the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict How Israel manipulates and distorts American public perceptions Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how--through the use of language, framing and context--the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied territories appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one. keywords: Palestine Israel Zionist Jew Islam Jewish Idi Amin Noam Chomsky Media Bias Big Brother Rupert Murdoch FOX News Sky News George Orwell Police State Military Occupation Iran Lebanon Terrorstorm Alex Jones manipulation media movements revolution alternative media Video available for sale here : http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaR...eacePropaganda Watch current Israel/Palestine news: http://newstre...all » http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6245072381061# |
April 12th, 2012 | #8 |
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Here are two polls about Mr. Grass' poem.
Financial Times Deutschland "Die Israel-Thesen von Günter Grass sind ..." Günter Grass' theses about "Israel" are... "irrsinnig" crazy "gefährlich" dangerous "antisemitisch" anti-Semitic "diskutabel" debatable "richtig" right Deutsche Telekom "Ist die Kritik von Günter Grass an Israel berechtigt?" Is Günter Grass' criticism of "Israel" correct? "Ja" Yes "Nein" No "Dazu habe ich keine Meinung" No opinion |
April 12th, 2012 | #9 |
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The vote is in our favor. Let's keep it up.
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April 13th, 2012 | #10 |
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Why We Need an Open Debate on Israel.
… But Grass is neither an anti-Semite nor a zombie of German history. Grass is a realist. He decries the fact that Israel's nuclear capabilities are "accessible to no inspections." He objects to Germany's weapons-export policies, which supports the shipment of an additional submarine capable of launching nuclear missiles to Israel. And he wearily rejects the "West's hypocrisy," which -- he leaves unsaid -- has long been the guiding principle of our Middle East policies, from Algeria to Afghanistan. … "Netanyahu's Israel has dictated the global agenda as no small state has ever done before," writes the Israeli daily Haaretz. … http://www.spiegel.de/international/...826180,00.html |
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