FFS! Stormfrontism is NOT White Nationalism

[Ivan Grozny]

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Come on, brother. You just started a thread at VNN to bitch about how redicious it is to donate money to StormFront then donated $50 to show some posts to prove your point? I never had a problem with you and I don't now but to the best of my knowledge it was your constant harassment of others that got you booted. And you are right. Stormfront is not White Nationalism. It is a forum dedicated to White Nationalists similar to this one. In an internet enviroment anybody came become a member and post anything until they get banned. Not all different veiws are wrong. White folks are not clones like the Asians. We are free thinkers with different ideals about whatever subject. And man, you are far from the only one offer solutions. Many, many other have. The deal is that it is going to take one hell of a charming SOB to get most folks to agree with him. I'm not that man and neither are your. You probably shouldn't confuse our social weakness with other stupidity. Obviously politics just isn't our game. Is that such a bad thing?

All what MrAA done is to harass a NON-whites and faggots on SF (and there is a LOT of them there) and I applaud him for that.

What's wrong with it?

[Sam Fisher]

Originally Posted by Ivan Grozny

All what MrAA done is to harass a NON-whites and faggots on SF (and there is a LOT of them there) and I applaud him for that.

What's wrong with it?

Don't you get it? Stormfront is 'WN lite'. They have to accept indians, faggots, half-jews, etc because they must appeal to conservatives that they are an all-inclusive, fun, socially-acceptable political resort that you partake in during the weekends, or when life has you down.

[Mr A.Anderson]

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Come on, brother. You just started a thread at VNN to bitch about how redicious it is to donate money to StormFront then donated $50 to show some posts to prove your point? I never had a problem with you and I don't now but to the best of my knowledge it was your constant harassment of others that got you booted. And you are right. Stormfront is not White Nationalism. It is a forum dedicated to White Nationalists similar to this one. In an internet enviroment anybody came become a member and post anything until they get banned. Not all different veiws are wrong. White folks are not clones like the Asians. We are free thinkers with different ideals about whatever subject. And man, you are far from the only one offer solutions. Many, many other have. The deal is that it is going to take one hell of a charming SOB to get most folks to agree with him. I'm not that man and neither are your. You probably shouldn't confuse our social weakness with other stupidity. Obviously politics just isn't our game. Is that such a bad thing?

I'm definately not cut out for politics. I don't mince words, as you may have noticed. However........

While there is a small personal and petty satisfaction in exposing the sheer lunacy of a prevailing mentality among the SF Nationalists, that is NOT the reason I started this thread. It is just the latest example of the severe problem (philosophically) that many members of particular forums have with identifying *their* forum as the very essence of White Nationalism.

I spoke about it in lengh in the Random Thoughts All Things White thread here on VNN.

I know that I'm not the only person to have ideas, or put them forward. I'm not the first person (far from it) to point these things out on SF - and got banned for it.....there is a long list and I'm on the bottom of it.

I simply cannot abide people who define White as being a contributing member of, in all reality, a (mostly) white social forum. That is a sickness that must be cut away from the body if these white social forums are to ever evolve into something else.......something more.

Maybe I'm one of the few who woud like to see this change - this growth. I'm not saying I have all the answers, or that my answers are correct. However, I'm at least willing to put them out there for scrutiny and discussion. We will never grow unless we do that.

I'm beginning to think that "forum nationalists" don't want to grow - they want to keep their white social sites soley as a form of amusement to help them pass the time.

[Karl Radl]

Originally Posted by Breanna

Stormfront costs $7500 a month to run? How? $7500 could fund the living expenses of two Duggar-sized white families. I would much rather donate money to a project like that than donate to a website owner.

Ask Don: he's been asked to justify his demands for large donations (and then threats to cut off access) for something approaching a decade now, but has yet to do anything about it other than to claim that his servers are massively more expensive to run than anybody else's on comparable or larger forums (with more functionality I hasten to add).

Anyone who broaches the whole 'can you give us some evidence and a basic break down of what we are pooling money towards' thing tends to end up getting ejected sideways.

I am not going to even get into the whole 'donate to Ron Paul' and 'donate to republish David Duke's 'My Awakening'' (so he can make more money for himself [?!?]) things (for those who remember them and were around then).

[Mr A.Anderson]

Originally Posted by Karl Radl

Ask Don: he's been asked to justify his demands for large donations (and then threats to cut off access) for something approaching a decade now, but has yet to do anything about it other than to claim that his servers are massively more expensive to run than anybody else's on comparable or larger forums (with more functionality I hasten to add).

Anyone who broaches the whole 'can you give us some evidence and a basic break down of what we are pooling money towards' thing tends to end up getting ejected sideways.

I am not going to even get into the whole 'donate to Ron Paul' and 'donate to republish David Duke's 'My Awakening'' (so he can make more money for himself [?!?]) things.

What has always irratated me.........there is a breakdown on the costs that Don has put up. http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t860284/

However, the math does NOT add up to $7500.

$2502 Server Costs
+$2400 Radio Show Costs
$4902

$4902 =/= $7500

And the best part - the "itemized invoice" for the server cost link has been removed - before that, it was just a dead link.

I really don't care if he pockets the excess above the costs, but at least have the fucking balls like Alex who admits to it. It's a fucking donation, afterall. To sit and beat people over the head month after month crying "Stormfront is Failing! Stormfront is Failing!" and having SM's call non-sm's (w)hite instead of White - while mods and SM alike sit in silent agreement - is just fucking rediculous, irratating, and shows seriously messed up priorities and loyalties.

[MaxKrieger]

The thing I noticed when I was on SF is that these same People who are only to eager and willing to badmouth White People who don't donate enough, are the same ones that would whine and cry about posts that were "insulting" to minorities because it makes "the movement" look bad.

I guess the moral is, treat non-Whites with respect at all times and treat your fellow Whites with utter disdain and contempt at any opportunity.

I'll pass.

[Ivan Grozny]

Originally Posted by Sam Fisher

Don't you get it? Stormfront is 'WN lite'. They have to accept indians, faggots, half-jews, etc because they must appeal to conservatives that they are an all-inclusive, fun, socially-acceptable political resort that you partake in during the weekends, or when life has you down.

Yeah , a so called SF's "big tent philosophy".

[Angel Ramsey]

And I get banned for my husbands (Mr A. Anderson) actions. Was over my mom's with the kids, swimming. Came back, and BANNED. No reason. Whatever.

[Mr William Celt]

Stormfront is shit and people there think they're the bees knees. I got banned for no fucking reason with no fucking explanation whatsoever, I've posted 2 threads asking why and they haven't been approved I didn't even say anything questionable...

I saw a thread a while back where a lifetime member ADMITTED he was 1/4 Native American and the mods came and defended him. LOL.

[Mr A.Anderson]

Originally Posted by Mr William Celt

Stormfront is shit and people there think they're the bees knees. I got banned for no fucking reason with no fucking explanation whatsoever, I've posted 2 threads asking why and they haven't been approved I didn't even say anything questionable...

I saw a thread a while back where a lifetime member ADMITTED he was 1/4 Native American and the mods came and defended him. LOL.

That would be the MoJoe incident. That's when we stopped donating. We were donating $160 per month, after that, no way.

[Sam Reeves]

Originally Posted by Ivan Grozny

All what MrAA done is to harass a NON-whites and faggots on SF (and there is a LOT of them there) and I applaud him for that.

What's wrong with it?

I don't know what happened. Occassionally I walk away from it all for a few months at a time. I have seen AA pounce on folks pretty hard. This chases folks away from the forum. But I'm not sure just valuable thin skinned people are at this point in the game. By the way, are you a WN or just another fucking net nazi?

[Mr William Celt]

Originally Posted by Mr A.Anderson

That would be the MoJoe incident. That's when we stopped donating. We were donating $160 per month, after that, no way.

I bet you wasted thousands on that pile of shit

[Angel Ramsey]

Originally Posted by Mr William Celt

I bet you wasted thousands on that pile of shit

It's fine. Now Alex Linder will be getting our donations.

[Sam Reeves]

Originally Posted by Mr A.Anderson

I'm definately not cut out for politics. I don't mince words, as you may have noticed. However........

While there is a small personal and petty satisfaction in exposing the sheer lunacy of a prevailing mentality among the SF Nationalists, that is NOT the reason I started this thread. It is just the latest example of the severe problem (philosophically) that many members of particular forums have with identifying *their* forum as the very essence of White Nationalism.

I spoke about it in lengh in the Random Thoughts All Things White thread here on VNN.

I know that I'm not the only person to have ideas, or put them forward. I'm not the first person (far from it) to point these things out on SF - and got banned for it.....there is a long list and I'm on the bottom of it.

I simply cannot abide people who define White as being a contributing member of, in all reality, a (mostly) white social forum. That is a sickness that must be cut away from the body if these white social forums are to ever evolve into something else.......something more.

Maybe I'm one of the few who woud like to see this change - this growth. I'm not saying I have all the answers, or that my answers are correct. However, I'm at least willing to put them out there for scrutiny and discussion. We will never grow unless we do that.

I'm beginning to think that "forum nationalists" don't want to grow - they want to keep their white social sites soley as a form of amusement to help them pass the time.

I'll not be the one to disagree with you that this new pathetic net nazi sub-culture is disturbing. Sadly, about 95% of any WN forum is infested with idiots that honestly believe that they are "fighting" for their race by inserting their unqualified opinions on the internet. But I don't blame the site owners because of the fact that most Whites are too chicken shit to leave their comfort zones. But I'm not concerned with whether or not Don Black makes money from Stormfront. I wish he would get $1,000,000 a year from the damn thing. I honestly believe his ass would reinvest most of it back into the movement. What kills me is that Stormfront has 250,000? members and no huge umbrella group. If only 10% of the membership of stormfront was bold enough to actually belong to whatever group we would have enough folks to fill a football stadium. That's what bothers me.

[Mr William Celt]

I must admit, during the 3-4 days I was on Stormfront, I was hooked. There's something strangely addictive about it. Does anyone else know this feeling?

[Amy Moore]

Originally Posted by Mr A.Anderson

Stormfront is facing the same problems our entire community faces - and I addressed my theories on that here. It's a long read, but I did my damnest to identify the problems we face, and how to possibly correct them.

I guess all anyone ever notices is the bitching part - because that's all they ever do themselves.

A problem can't be fixed unless a person is willing to aknowledge the problem and identify what is broken.

To sum up the reason for this thread:

Once again - it is very apparent there are those on SF that believe that SF is WN incarnate. It is NOT. Internet forums such as SF, VNN, WNN, etc are just tools - cogs in the machine - NOT the machine itself.

Until they realize that - their search for $90,000 a year is hopeless. They already admitted that it has been a problem since the inception of SF. That simple fact alone should tell any casual observer that it's the PRODUCT that is broken, not the CONSUMERS.

I READ that POST the day you POSTED it MATEY and send a comment along with some rep. I'm a stay at home mum I read this place all day ;p

So it isn't a case of not noticing other posts but you followed the exact same pattern all the others who get banned from there do...

join VNN (many of them have made shitty comments about VNN and Alex before they got banned from the almighty fucking SF and now they rush to post here straight afterwards cos they know they won't get banned for just speaking their minds..I find that hilarious)

bitch about SF being unfair blah blah blah, I got banned *cries into milk*

Eventually some move on and start posting other topics..some don't and continue to just bitch about sf. The way I see it is if you haven't been banned from sf at least once you aren't doing it right.

But imo it is hypocritical to laugh at others who donate to sf when you did it yourselves for so long and no doubt, if not for the banning, would still be doing so and probably asking others to donate too. It's just a forum doll..move on

note: this is in your thread but directed at all of them not just yourself.

[Mr A.Anderson]

Originally Posted by Amy Moore

I READ that POST the day you POSTED it MATEY and send a comment along with some rep. I'm a stay at home mum I read this place all day ;p

So it isn't a case of not noticing other posts but you followed the exact same pattern all the others who get banned from there do...

join VNN (many of them have made shitty comments about VNN and Alex before they got banned from the almighty fucking SF and now they rush to post here straight afterwards cos they know they won't get banned for just speaking their minds..I find that hilarious)

bitch about SF being unfair blah blah blah, I got banned *cries into milk*

Eventually some move on and start posting other topics..some don't and continue to just bitch about sf. The way I see it is if you haven't been banned from sf at least once you aren't doing it right.

But imo it is hypocritical to laugh at others who donate to sf when you did it yourselves for so long and no doubt, if not for the ,would still be doing so and probably asking others to donate too. It's just a forum doll..move on

note: this is in your thread but directed at all of them not just yourself.

No worries - my post you quoted was for the benefit of all, as well.

The thing that I just can't help thinking about: Should the various forums remain just white social sites, or should they attempt to become something more? Should there be a separation from the social site aspect and a "down to business" aspect?

I imagine if there were a separate sub-site or proxy for any of the sites, I would bet that the real white nationalism portion of the site would be largely ignored by the membership.

All you have to do is look to the innactivity in the "Activism" sub sections to get an idea that the majority of membership is NOT here on any of the forums to do anything but vent and socialize.

[Mr A.Anderson]

Oh, just in case........

Thanks Sue. As I told you via PM - the times don't match up, no matter what anyone says.

[Gil Irwin]

I have spent the past three years doing everything I can think of to improve SF.

When I first joined, I recognized that a lack of funding, female participation, trust etc. needed to be addressed.

I organized Sustaining Member drives, sponsorship efforts and encouraged those with the financial ability to become Lifetime members.

I have done all of this despite some differences I've had with SF management along the way.

Taking into account the several thousands that I have personally donated and raised I still feel that SF remains the number one portal for new members.

I remain a Lifetime Member at SF and senior moderator at WNN for a reason.

cs

[Mr A.Anderson]

Originally Posted by Gil Irwin

I have spent the past three years doing everything I can think of to improve SF.

When I first joined, I recognized that a lack of funding, female participation, trust etc. needed to be addressed.

I organized Sustaining Member drives, sponsorship efforts and encouraged those with the financial ability to become Lifetime members.

I have done all of this despite some differences I've had with SF management along the way.

Taking into account the several thousands that I have personally donated and raised I still feel that SF remains the number one portal for new members.

I remain a Lifetime Member at SF and senior moderator at WNN for a reason.

cs

Gil,

If you remember, I actually was one of the few to step up and help out with the fundraising efforts (PM Campaign) you had back in say......Sept/October of last year. It was not until I began to question the integrity of the *forum* and its message by Don's Decree that an admitted 1/4 Indian was OK in his book, that my support began to wan. I do not call that a White Nationalist Philosophy. I call that a (Mostly) White Nationalist Philosophy - and one that I could not personally support financially.

That does not mean that I hate SF by any stretch of the imagination, just that I am pissed about being lied to or purposely mislead about the *standards* or lack thereof.

I still fully believe the place, SF, could be a great asset to our people, but not in its current "do everything, be everything, to everybody" mentality. You cannot influence the Unaware, counter the Opposition, encourage the Newly Aware and motivate the Aware into real world activism by using the same message. That dog don't hunt, as the saying goes.

Like I said before: If fund raising has ALWAYS been a challenge since its inception, then it is a faulty PRODUCT that needs improved and NOT the CONSUMER.

Find your base (decide who you want them to be), support your base's wishes and desires, your base will do everything within its means to support you. If you don't know who you want your base to be, then create standards, beliefs, and philosophies - your base will come to you. Don't stand for anything, ingnore your own standards, and nobody knows what to think or believe. People don't support things like that for long.

Simple really, but then again, those are words that will get you banned. Why is that?