#1 James Holmes Thread (Mass Shooting at "Dark Knight Rises" Premier in Aurora, Colorado, 7-20-12)

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

Some people don't seem to understand that being paranoid put simply is a process whereby one believes others are out to get them. It seems that if I ask a question or make a comment about a third person or situation totally unrelated to me that that is somehow evidence of paranoia. (Even Alex has engaged in this behavior.) It evidences an ignorance of the term, whether it be scientific and clinical or a lay definition, by those who use it such a fashion.

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If you're not clinically paranoid you're damn close. You think everything is a trick. It doesn't matter that there's no evidence or motive, as in this case, you treat it the same as a case where there's a gigantic motive and 1,000 pieces of evidence (WTC demolitions). It's like I've said:

Dumb people suck at skepticism as much as they suck at belief. Their instincts always lead them the wrong way.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

I don't James Holmes and I don't really care what you call me, but the men pictured here are not the same person. I backed away from that position a couple of days ago, but am certain the two are not the same.

I wonder why the people who know Holmes don't just mention that the man the Aurora PD arrested wasn't Holmes?

Then again, they could all be Mossad.

[Alex Linder]

It's appropriate to shout "Mossad!" when, you know, a bunch of them are caught taping the destruction of giant buildings, and hopping up and down and high-fiving each other...and then released without charges back to Hateland...and then talk about it all on Israeli tv. That's when you shout "Mossad!"

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

It's appropriate to shout "Mossad!" when, you know, a bunch of them are caught taping the destruction of giant buildings, and hopping up and down and high-fiving each other...and then released without charges back to Hateland...and then talk about it all on Israeli tv. That's when you shout "Mossad!"

But then why are the relatives/friends of James Holmes remaining silent in the face off this deception? Why hasn't his mother went on CNN to proclaim to everyone that the man arrested is not her son? I would think CNN would consider that newsworthy.

If she was Mossad, that would explain a lot.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

If you're not clinically paranoid you're damn close. You think everything is a trick. It doesn't matter that there's no evidence or motive, as in this case, you treat it the same as a case where there's a gigantic motive and 1,000 pieces of evidence (WTC demolitions). It's like I've said:

Dumb people suck at skepticism as much as they suck at belief. Their instincts always lead them the wrong way.

If we are talking about definitions, you can't really have "clinically paranoid" as paranoid is not a clinical condition. Tony defines this general use word above.

Paranoid Personality Disorder and Paranoid Schizophrenia are two different conditions. I haven't seen enough of Tony to attach either of those two labels to him. Perhaps we are going to have to explore these two conditions.

[OTPTT]

The kwops would never lie to you or break the law. Every last one of them is here to serve and protect you. Never forget it and never question them.

The victim in the below case is just paranoid. He or she wasn't really kidnapped, it's just his or her vivid imagination.

Kidnapping victim found tied up in NYPD detective's garage, sources say

An NYPD detective has been suspended without pay after a kidnapping victim was found tied up in his Queens garage, sources tell NBC 4 New York.

Sources say Ondre Johnson, a 17-year veteran of the Brooklyn North gang unit, was being questioned by internal affairs about his involvement in the kidnapping of a 25-year-old victim off the street early Friday morning.

Sources say a demand for a $75,000 ransom was made.

See the original report

Police tracked the victim to the house in St. Albans off the victim's cell phone pings.

When police arrived Friday night, they found the victim tied up in the garage.

Johnson denied any involvement with the kidnapping, but his cousin, Hakeem Clark -- who lives in the other half of the detective's two-family home -- has been charged with kidnapping, along with three other men.

Sources say police found a safe and equipment used to make fake credit cards inside the home.

Law enforcement sources told NBC 4 New York that Johnson is not expected to be charged with kidnapping at this point, but he has been suspended and stripped of his badge and his gun as the investigation continues.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

What is wrong with a fur coat without knickers Bev?

It is good natural fur, given to man by god who said he shall have dominion over all beasts of the field.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been trying to set an example of staying on topic by posting about Batman, Holmes, and, (admittedly, stretching the example-setting a bit by) commenting about government set-ups in general. I'll answer this post once and won't be drawn into further commentary about it. If you would like the row you've been after for days and want to further discuss this, my opinion that Murdoch could be jewish, the fact that Murdoch is a zionist scumbag, my opinions on fur or hunting or my "leftist" thoughts that McDonalds are monopolising the Olympics or the supposed fact that VNN mods are closet scientologists or in fact anything else you have been PMSing about for weeks, please start a new thread in the tard section.

"All fur coat and no knickers" is a saying that shouldn't be taken literally. It means someone who puts on false airs, false superiority or false wealth, for example. In this context, I used it at someone who was using big words and long paragraphs to tell us how stupid we all looked but got half of the spelling and some of the punctuation wrong.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

The kwops would never lie to you or break the law. Every last one of them is here to serve and protect you. Never forget it and never question them.

But then why are the relatives/friends of James Holmes remaining silent in the face off this deception? Why hasn't his mother went on CNN to proclaim to everyone that the man arrested is not her son?

[cillian]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

But then why are the relatives/friends of James Holmes remaining silent in the face off this deception? Why hasn't his mother went on CNN to proclaim to everyone that the man arrested is not her son?

Didn't she call colorado police the same day to tell them they had the right person and that she was going to fly from california to colorado.

That also seems a bit odd.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by cillian

Didn't she call colorado police the same day to tell them they had the right person and that she was going to fly from california to colorado.

That also seems a bit odd.

Well, she says it was taken out of context and "you have the right person" was in answer to the (paraphrased) question "Are you James Holmes' mum?"


The two photos - have a look at his weirdly shaped Adam's apple. They're identical on both guys.

[Dawn Cannon]

Originally Posted by cillian

Didn't she call colorado police the same day to tell them they had the right person and that she was going to fly from california to colorado.

That also seems a bit odd.

The Huffington and others say this:

The mother of the suspected Colorado Massacre gunman was referring to herself—not her son

No other reports from that mother for 5 days, I think.

[cillian]

Originally Posted by Bev

Well, she says it was taken out of context and "you have the right person" was in answer to the (paraphrased) question "Are you James Holmes' mum?"

Well that makes more sense.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by Dawn Cannon

No other reports from that mother for 5 days, I think.

It takes a few days for FEDZOG to incubate the clone.

[Dawn Cannon]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

It takes a few days for FEDZOG to incubate the clone.

Probably doesn't want to speak to the press.

[Hayden]

My observations as professional artist and sculptor for the past 20 years:



If I were given these 3 images as reference, I would make several assumptions based on the task at hand and nothing more.

1. The image on the left represents this person at the youngest point of the 3. The person in the center image is under the influence of drugs or alcohol or recovery of similar (read hangover). The picture on the right is this person fatigued and stressed.

2. This person is right handed. The lower lid of the right eye is angular and well defined while the lower lid of the left eye is consistently rounded across all 3 images. Possibly a lazy eye which all people have to some degree and increases towards the end of the day as the muscles fatigue.

3. Images 1 and 2 show a similar hairline.

4. Images 2 and 3 show a mole and 2 distinct blemishes on the right cheek.

5. Consistent ear shape across all 3 images.

6. The persons in the photos favor the right side as they tend to tip the head to the right as well as rotate to the right at the base of the skull.

7. Adams Apple consistent across 3 images.

8. The bone structure from the chin to the center of the eyes should remain consistent. The teeth appear to be in the same position for all 3 images.

Some of the pictures circulating showing differences in the width of the nose and ear are absolutely making inaccurate comparisons to facial features. Rotation of the head to the left or the right would expose more or less of the features to the corresponding side.

Using photogrammetry, you could make accurate measurements of facial features and measurement of rotation/tilt.

Anyone reading this could do a few tests. Using a makeup pencil or similar, make some marks of your face and then look in the mirror. Notice how smiling affects the area of the face in a circle around your nose.

I don't see much in these photos that would lead me to believe it is not the same person.

Believe me, I would much prefer a massive cover up and conspiracy. It's much more fun.

[Darius Appleby]

Originally Posted by Hayden

My observations as professional artist and sculptor for the past 20 years:

First 2 look the same, but the third picture is not as similar.

Cosmetic surgery?

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Darius Appleby

First 2 look the same, but the third picture is not as similar.

Cosmetic surgery?

looking at 1 and 2, 3 is not as similar.
looking at 2 and 3, 1 is not as similar.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Hayden

My observations as professional artist and sculptor for the past 20 years:

my snip for brevity

Great, informative post. Rep if it lets me.

I think the nose is different in the last one, more elongated, less flared. Not sure if this can be explained by position, lighting or whatever or if he's had corrective surgery, but I am convinced that all three are of the same guy.

[Hayden]

Originally Posted by Bev

Great, informative post. Rep if it lets me.

I think the nose is different in the last one, more elongated, less flared. Not sure if this can be explained by position, lighting or whatever or if he's had corrective surgery, but I am convinced that all three are of the same guy.

Bev, I think the nose can be explained by looking in the mirror.

Put on a shit eating grin and then put on a face like your life is over and you haven't slept in about 36 hours. The nose flares enough to widen the nose by 50%. The bridge of the nose is asymmetrical in both photos. If someone could get their hands on the profile mugshot, it could be studied further.

[Hayden]

Block out everything but the noses on 1 and 3.

Now number 2 nose doesn't jive.