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Old January 14th, 2013 #1
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One reason all White politics up til now has failed, except Nazism, which was defeated - there is a distinction - is its inability to see the need for a principled position, one, and then to hew to that position, two.

Jews must be named the main enemy and excluded from White organizations (1). Those White groups that do not accept and act on (1) must also be treated as enemies (2).

Not a single White group is capable of doing this. VNN is not a group. It is the one place in White politics where the need for a principled, unchanging position re jews AND JEW APOLOGISTS/FRIENDS/EXCULPATORS is acknowledged.

I continue to bring this up because it continues to be the signal failing of our side. You can't start building a house in midair. Deciding what kind of decor you want in the upstairs bed and bathroom. You have to start by digging out a basement and setting a foundation.

No WN politics worth a damn can be built without excluding jews and those who befriend them and/or make excuses for them. It goes a step further. Those who make excuses for those who befriend jews and make excuses for them must be ostracized too. There is a lot of mocking of puritanism by dirt eaters and other simpletons, but I ask you folks: where has impurity ever gotten the White movement?

Give me a single success the Impuritans - the people who would mix our cause with conservatism, to take the most obvious example - give me a single success these people can point to. You can't find one. Their record is one of unbroken failure.

If only for variety's sake we ought to try the principled route.

Reject jews - they are our enemy, and openly and secretly admit this.

Reject jew apologists such as Jared Taylor - they serve to blind our people to the origins of our racial problems.

Reject jew-apologist apologists and befrienders - they teach our people that personal relations and friendships matter more than political principles. This is the sort of unprincipled social climbing and networking that has left white men without representation, as the conservative party chases the brown vote.

When all else fails, we could try proclaiming what we are, and standing by our principles. It just might work. The other way certainly hasn't.
 
Old January 14th, 2013 #2
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Without a doubt what you say is true.
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Old January 14th, 2013 #3
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One reason all White politics up til now has failed, except Nazism, which was defeated - there is a distinction - is its inability to see the need for a principled position, one, and then to hew to that position, two.

Jews must be named the main enemy and excluded from White organizations (1). Those White groups that do not accept and act on (1) must also be treated as enemies (2).

Not a single White group is capable of doing this. VNN is not a group. It is the one place in White politics where the need for a principled, unchanging position re jews AND JEW APOLOGISTS/FRIENDS/EXCULPATORS is acknowledged.

I continue to bring this up because it continues to be the signal failing of our side. You can't start building a house in midair. Deciding what kind of decor you want in the upstairs bed and bathroom. You have to start by digging out a basement and setting a foundation.

No WN politics worth a damn can be built without excluding jews and those who befriend them and/or make excuses for them. It goes a step further. Those who make excuses for those who befriend jews and make excuses for them must be ostracized too. There is a lot of mocking of puritanism by dirt eaters and other simpletons, but I ask you folks: where has impurity ever gotten the White movement?

Give me a single success the Impuritans - the people who would mix our cause with conservatism, to take the most obvious example - give me a single success these people can point to. You can't find one. Their record is one of unbroken failure.

If only for variety's sake we ought to try the principled route.

Reject jews - they are our enemy, and openly and secretly admit this.

Reject jew apologists such as Jared Taylor - they serve to blind our people to the origins of our racial problems.

Reject jew-apologist apologists and befrienders - they teach our people that personal relations and friendships matter more than political principles. This is the sort of unprincipled social climbing and networking that has left white men without representation, as the conservative party chases the brown vote.

When all else fails, we could try proclaiming what we are, and standing by our principles. It just might work. The other way certainly hasn't.
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Old January 14th, 2013 #4
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We in the White Nationalist movement cannot compromise with our enemies - not on anti-fascism, neo-conservatism, homosexuality, feminism, or anything else that stands in the way of a strong White society free from decadence.
 
Old January 14th, 2013 #5
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I can agree that the sole enemy to all people is the jew who seeks to destroy, but with so many factors, so many distractions, so many choices in life it seems impossible to get the message out.

This forum is a foghorn, but there is far too much noise to be heard.

A true White Nationalist media is what we need.
 
Old January 14th, 2013 #6
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True. We could do with opening a WN site simmiliar to what Life Site News is to the pro-Life movement.
 
Old January 14th, 2013 #7
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Very apt analogy, it fits precisely. Good thinking.

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People must regard joos as a strain of the plague. If a deadly disease was rampant and quickly spreading, threatening people and their loved ones with inevitable death, they would not only avoid contact with diseased individuals, but with people who have had contact with the disease and with any other potential carriers of the disease. Maintaining a safe distance from the disease is the only sure means of staying healthy.

We would not say, "oh, that fella may have the disease, but he's such a nice guy we'll just overlook it!" Nor would we say, "he might have the sickness, but I'll be okay if I wear a mask", or "but he's an exeption to the multitudes from his town who are diseased, so we'll shake his hand". We wouldn't take those chances if it was something we knew with certainty would kill us.

However, diseased individuals often don the clothes of the healthy in order to mingle and spead the disease, for misery loves company, as evidenced here of late.
 
Old January 14th, 2013 #8
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The apologist-cowards for the jews and sold out shababz goyim are no different than the losers who obsess about "islamists"..
who are nothing more than a shitskined symptom of the kosher disease;
but its a kosher outlet and distraction, so the goyim can fool their simple-selves they are fighting for their "nation" while it is being mutated from within.

"You let in the jew and the jew rotted your empire..
the jew has rotted every nation he has wormed into."
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Old January 14th, 2013 #9
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We need to stop changing doctrine to try and get "allies" and start judging potential allies by their willingness to accept our doctrine.

Less democracy, more militancy.
 
Old January 15th, 2013 #10
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The fact is, I have to come here to this small, in fact minuscule little thread in a racist/ anti-Semitic forum to hear the truth about the worlds problems.

I point all that out in the post above yet I get a thumbs down, and others parrot Mr. Linder's blurb and they get thumbs up. Hey, nobody's listening!

I think the most basic failure is that we don't have a media to present all the evidence that throughout history the jews have been nation destroyers, and we are living it all over again.

Keep stroking each other lads, cause its not making a bit of difference in the big, jew controlled world.
 
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"You let in the jew and the jew rotted your empire..
the jew has rotted every nation he has wormed into."
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Nice quote. The first step in any war is to correctly identify the enemy, then to paraphrase our enemies #1 motto, the question "Is it good for the White race?" must be considered before taking any action.
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Old January 15th, 2013 #12
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One reason all White politics up til now has failed, is because it is rampantly run by the self centered "smash the opposition" Neo Nazi pea brains that reserve more resistence to never change even when criticized by other WNs. Criticism from everyone and anywhere is their addictive fuel powering a constant reaction of Nietzscheing the opposition that Nietzche told about not becoming the opposition itself. A beautiful cycle of self-destruction.


But also, when will there ever be a pro White business magnate setting up shop in the Whitest of states, Northwest Republic, Vermont, .....Costa Rica? Why don't at least say a dozen WNs make a huge pact between themselves and make their way up into the country's best business schools with the best knowledge and connections, or why has such never been even thought of or attempted?
 
Old January 15th, 2013 #13
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One reason all White politics up til now has failed, is because it is rampantly run by the self centered "smash the opposition" Neo Nazi pea brains that reserve more resistence to never change even when criticized by other WNs. Criticism from everyone and anywhere is their addictive fuel powering a constant reaction of Nietzscheing the opposition that Nietzche told about not becoming the opposition itself. A beautiful cycle of self-destruction.


But also, when will there ever be a pro White business magnate setting up shop in the Whitest of states, Northwest Republic, Vermont, .....Costa Rica? Why don't at least say a dozen WNs make a huge pact between themselves and make their way up into the country's best business schools with the best knowledge and connections, or why has such never been even thought of or attempted?
If you're young you can do it. However, the in-place current malaise will lead to collapse during your first couple of years of school.
 
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I think the most basic failure is that we don't have a media to present all the evidence that throughout history the jews have been nation destroyers, and we are living it all over again.
It's not as though people don't have sources of information available. They don't read them, considering anything we say causes them pain and anxiety. We need to make it so that the people who wish we'd just leave them to rot can't ignore us any more.

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One reason all White politics up til now has failed, is because it is rampantly run by the self centered "smash the opposition" Neo Nazi pea brains that reserve more resistence to never change even when criticized by other WNs.
Absolute bullshit.

The entire history of American racialism has been conservative, more conservative than that of any other country. It was racist conservatives who let America fight for Russia in WW2. It was racist conservatives who didn't fight back against integration and "counter-culture" in the 60s. It's the descendants of racist conservatives who today gripe against "welfare queens" and "illegal immigrants" while celebrating MLK day and cheering Mexicans on for having "family values."

What support did the Rockwells or Pierces ever manage to secure from this mass of vague White irritation? How much money, how many members in their organizations? Nothing, they worked their asses off, doing more with a dollar than than a conservative was doing with ten, and they were abandoned wholesale. Look for Rockwell in the history books. He isn't in them.

Conservatives don't care about winning the war, they care about looking good for the next election cycle, not getting insulted by media Jews, and getting to go at home and stew about how they're "middle America" and they "built this country."

Everyone wants to be John Lennon. Well guess what? The guys who went around carrying pictures of Chairman Mao won. The dirty hippies wearing tie-dye shirts and reeking of weed won. The Birchers, the CofCC, the National Review, the Republican Party, the Catholic Church, they all lost. They didn't even fight. All of the snickering and patting-on-the-back from "the silent majority" meant jack shit in the end.

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But also, when will there ever be a pro White business magnate setting up shop in the Whitest of states, Northwest Republic, Vermont, .....Costa Rica? Why don't at least say a dozen WNs make a huge pact between themselves and make their way up into the country's best business schools with the best knowledge and connections, or why has such never been even thought of or attempted?
I've heard something to that effect suggested dozens of times. But there have historically been tons of rich successful racist conservatives. Most people in the country were racist conservatives in the 1950s. It meant nothing.

And note, you are either a conservative or a "neo-nazi." Every attempt at a "hybrid" organization has to pick a side in the end. You either hold an unpopular opinion when attacked or you concede. You either support Hitler or you condemn him. You either risk looking crazy or risk looking cowardly. When the pressure comes you have to go to one side of the fence or get chopped in half by it.
 
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The entire history of American racialism has been conservative, more conservative than that of any other country.

Nah before 1945 all White nations were equally racist. I read how racism survived longer in Australia than American several years ago and seen online complaints from the average Kwan that Aussies are racist when in fact they are just politically incorrect without racism and we are just too sensitive.


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It was racist conservatives who let America fight for Russia in WW2.

No, both parties I remember mentioned, liberal and conservative, united just like on 9/11 to attack the Jap kamikazes on Pearl Harbor. Liberals of then were more conservative and a decade before the Beatnik movement. FDR was the Progressive with a few conservative beliefs when he decided to force Japanese Americans to live in isolated federal camps.


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It was racist conservatives who didn't fight back against integration and "counter-culture" in the 60s.

They did utmost. Go to YouTube and type in “Bull Connor” for the famous police retaliation on blacks not staying in their ‘hoods. What came next was the Jews elected loads of Supreme Court justices on their side and then the series of liberal Congresses hereafter.

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It's the descendants of racist conservatives who today gripe against "welfare queens" and "illegal immigrants" while celebrating MLK day and cheering Mexicans on for having "family values."

Conservatives do mindlessly change along with the majority on status quo or they’d be in the minority. Except us.


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What support did the Rockwells or Pierces ever manage to secure from this mass of vague White irritation? How much money, how many members in their organization? Nothing, they worked their asses off, doing more with a dollar than than a conservative was doing with ten, and they were abandoned wholesale. Look for Rockwell in the history books. He isn't in them.

I remember a few mentions of Rockwell in public school history classes as part of the Klan. I don’t think they’d have to teach about him in Australian schools as they had their own vicious racism shows. I mean, while this is about gay men, I found out recently that as late as 1994 local citizens murdered gays doing publicly announced public sex in Bondi Park and the police turned a blind eye.


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Conservatives don't care about winning the war, they care about looking good for the next election cycle, not getting insulted by media Jews, and getting to go at home and stew about how they're "middle America" and they "built this country."

It’s true conservatives often forgo their values if capitalism promises a better financial incentive.


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the Republican Party

Actually the Republicans were the liberals of those years. The, I’ll use a Southern term, hootin’ and hollerin’ racist party was the Southern Dixiecrats.


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They didn't even fight.

Because Jews unfortunately are far superior at smooth stealth sleek infiltration and nicked the buds of real conservatism right after 1945. Or some WN I’ve seen said it happened even well before then.


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All of the snickering and patting-on-the-back from "the silent majority" meant jack shit in the end.

Because the Jews are one-up on mass indoctrination. The Baby Boomers swindled by the brightly glowing Marxist candy in Hymie’s Utopian Promise candy store.


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I've heard something to that effect suggested dozens of times. But there have historically been tons of rich successful racist conservatives. Most people in the country were racist conservatives in the 50s. It meant nothing.

This is a whole ‘nuther topic of great interest and I’ll try not to diverge too much off into. But a few, say, first paragraph type opening sentences. I’ve noticed conservatives just can’t pull off real activism like liberals do in creative statements, and they seem to lack lots of common sense and social skills about it. One example is that our conservatives always whine about liberal Hollywood and then bitching about discrimination by the major studios after rejection of conservative actors, screenwriters, etc. Maybe they also lack business essential in that they didn’t buy up enough Hollywood properties since 1960 but that up against the relentless untiring force of the Jew. They just couldn’t keep ahead. The only equivalent of theirs is Fox News currently.


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And do note, you are either a conservative or a "neo-nazi." Every attempt at a "hybrid" organization has to pick a side in the end. You either hold an unpopular opinion when attacked or you concede. You either support Hitler or you condemn him. You either risk looking crazy or risk looking cowardly. When the pressure comes you have to go to one side of the fence or get chopped in half by it.

Hitler’s not the only cool racist to celebrate and parade. We’ve got tons more of them than all the liberals in the history of Western civilization. But a Neo-Nazi performing less-than-stellar-type-retarded parades you see in the media all the time, is the only way? And one threatening to kill President Obama? Come on.
 
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It's not as though people don't have sources of information available. They don't read them, considering anything we say causes them pain and anxiety. We need to make it so that the people who wish we'd just leave them to rot can't ignore us any more.
As malignant as jews are, as a distinct people, they cannot be held accountable to us for treason. The same cannot be said of Whites who succor them.
 
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I agree with what Herr Linder has written.
I am not sure, though, where he would classify me on that scale.
I hold the view that the problem is with the Zionist Jews, who represent the lunatic fringe. Given that I lack the clairvoyant ability to tell a Zionist loonie from a Jew who is not, I want to deport all of them to Itzalie and then let nature take its course.
In the meantime, yes, we have to name the Jew and exclude them.
 
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Nah before 1945 all White nations were equally racist. I read how racism survived longer in Australia than American several years ago and seen online complaints from the average Kwan that Aussies are racist when in fact they are just politically incorrect without racism and we are just too sensitive.
I'll concede Australia, I don't know enough about it.

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No, both parties I remember mentioned, liberal and conservative, united just like on 9/11 to attack the Jap kamikazes on Pearl Harbor. Liberals of then were more conservative and a decade before the Beatnik movement. FDR was the Progressive with a few conservative beliefs when he decided to force Japanese Americans to live in isolated federal camps.
They needed the support of both to go to war though. If most of the conservatives had refused to fight Germany we wouldn't have gone into Europe.

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They did utmost. Go to YouTube and type in “Bull Connor” for the famous police retaliation on blacks not staying in their ‘hoods. What came next was the Jews elected loads of Supreme Court justices on their side and then the series of liberal Congresses hereafter.
And then it was over. It wouldn't have been over for Hitler, Lenin, Paine, or Robespierre.

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I remember a few mentions of Rockwell in public school history classes as part of the Klan. I don’t think they’d have to teach about him in Australian schools as they had their own vicious racism shows. I mean, while this is about gay men, I found out recently that as late as 1994 local citizens murdered gays doing publicly announced public sex in Bondi Park and the police turned a blind eye.
Hmm, maybe you're older than I am. I don't think 99% of people graduating High School would know who he was, and if he is known it's as a curiosity, not a historical force.

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Actually the Republicans were the liberals of those years. The, I’ll use a Southern term, hootin’ and hollerin’ racist party was the Southern Dixiecrats.
I meant the Republicans right now. Romney and friends...

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This is a whole ‘nuther topic of great interest and I’ll try not to diverge too much off into. But a few, say, first paragraph type opening sentences. I’ve noticed conservatives just can’t pull off real activism like liberals do in creative statements, and they seem to lack lots of common sense and social skills about it. One example is that our conservatives always whine about liberal Hollywood and then bitching about discrimination by the major studios after rejection of conservative actors, screenwriters, etc. Maybe they also lack business essential in that they didn’t buy up enough Hollywood properties since 1960 but that up against the relentless untiring force of the Jew. They just couldn’t keep ahead. The only equivalent of theirs is Fox News currently.
They have to be aggressive. It's no coincidence that Fox is both the last one standing and the most absolutely hated thing a liberal can even conceive of.

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Hitler’s not the only cool racist to celebrate and parade. We’ve got tons more of them than all the liberals in the history of Western civilization. But a Neo-Nazi performing less-than-stellar-type-retarded parades you see in the media all the time, is the only way? And one threatening to kill President Obama? Come on.
If you're the president of the Charles Martel fan club and (when asked) you say that Hitler "wasn't too bad of a leader," you now might as well be the president of the Adolf Hitler fan club. Linder would never consider himself a socialist, but he'll always be considered a nazi.

I don't think trying to have a "rally" of four people in uniform is a cool idea, or that tattooing "1488WP!" on your head makes you look like a badass, but I object to the notion that these people are "to blame" for the failures of the Jared Taylors and Pat Buchanans of the world.

When the left was coming to power they had all sorts of terrorism and violence associated with them. There were all sorts of ridiculous looking commies for "the silent majority" to make fun of in their living rooms too, but those things didn't matter. There was plenty of hooliganism with the NSDAP and Golden Dawn. Hell, the Tea Party was the most successful conservative movement in a long time, and they had a silly name and men wearing powdered wigs.

We need to take the high ground. If someone on our side does something unnecessary, it's the fault of the liberals and Jews for making "extremism" our race's only option. If people on our side make fools of themselves, it's still not as foolish as the things liberals and Jews say every day. Straightforward, principled, unapologetic. We're here to defend our people from their enemies, not to defend our enemies from our people.
 
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