A few thoughts on the "movement"

[Alex Linder]

Is there a growing base of people who understand the problem?

Is there a growing number of people willing to listen to different explanations of America's ills than the ones put forward on tv?

We have our individual opinions on these questions, based on our experiences in the world and online. We also have the enemy's actions to help us gauge what's going on.

What I see is a growing investment by jews in the WHINO charade. More pushing of frauds and fronts. The jews know AmeriKwa is on the decline. They know the Republicans will alienate tens of millions of whites as they, unavoidably, become a me-too brown party after the Democrats. Their goal is to control/corral these disjointeds. They will fool/use them by creating/supporting WHINOs and the front groups they create. The creation of these false fronts has sped up markedly in the last 2-3 years.

More than ever it is important to stick to NJJR. It is important to promote a word for the jewish hatred and genocidal opposition to whites. It is important to have a symbol for NJJR - or Aryan/uncontaminated on the positive side. It is important to begin to develop groups based on NJJR.

Right now Whites ARE getting the job done on the Internet. We dominate any message board that allowed comments, and quickly reduce the System hacks and pseudo radicals to sputtering and then suppression. No faileocon site allows free posting - because they have no answer to our case, and our arguments expose their faux-radicalism for the safe and self-interested cowardsblather it is. Comments sections, no matter the stripe of the publication, show the readers always to the White side of the editors.

[Magog]

You can not over throw the government. to do so, and they will kill you.

They wait and hide just waiting for one of us to try to be stupid enough to incriminate themselves and try to form an arm resistance to our government.

That will not work.

What does work is building people, making strong healthy Aryan families that bind and bond strongly with one another in the community to increase our numbers.

We need Aryan privet schools, Day care centers, Senior centers, retirement communities, construction companies, lawn care providers, investment bankers, barbers, plumbers cable installers, county workers, city planners, cops, bus drivers teachers, the whole gambit...

We need to grow, not kill or fight anyone. We just have to form families and lend support to one another to make it into the next century stronger then we are today.

You will not be free in this life time, or in your great great great great times a million grandkids life times. But that is no reason to stop trying, building huge massive families and binding together.

I think the founding of this nation the USA was the first step to weaken and kill our people, making sure that we all had our own religion to divide us and keep us apart form each other, playing us, and then introducing niggers, mexicans, and then playing the gender card all to keep us form uniting as one people.

Fucking religion is a nightmare, it is dividing our moment more then anything. It is fucking killing us, if we can not band together we are all dead. It is our people vs the rest of the world. I dont give a fuck about your jesus fag ass christ and I never will. What I do care about is your white like me, and I will help you survive no mater what. My people mean a lot more to me then god and salvation. I am Vedic, and if you cant understand you have no right talking religion to me.

Jews, do not have this problem to over come. And we see how masons address the issue huh... We have to come to terms with it.

And then all the jew fagots out there trying to start fights between Alpines, and Meds... fucking retard cock sucking fuckers . Do not even get into that shit. We are all White Aryan people. The whole world hates us because of it. Our enemies do not care if you are Alpine, NED, or Persian. They you kill you as they would kill me. Making us fight each other over this horse shit is how they get the job done.

Jews do not have this problem. They are united no mater what. And, so shall we be.

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Magog

You can not over throw the government. to do so, and they will kill you.

They wait and hide just waiting for one of us to try to be stupid enough to incriminate themselves and try to form an arm resistance to our government.

That will not work.

I agree. Its still too early for that. The government is too strong. All we can do in that regard to to support everything that weakens that power.

What does work is building people, making strong healthy Aryan families that bind and bond strongly with one another in the community to increase our numbers.

True, but that concept seems to be too abstract for many young people. Tell the young men to concentrate on getting work skills so they can bring in enough money to support a family, find a healthy white gal, and start having kids - they don't want to hear that. Tell the young women to get rid of all the feminist crap that's been rammed into their heads by the Jews and they'll call you anti-woman.

The worst are these so-called young "men" who are twenty years-old (or older) and still living in their parents' house, working a dead-end job, partying, smoking dope, getting into trouble with the law, goofing-off, and otherwise acting like over-grown teenagers. Some skinheads fit into this category. Don't tell me I'm wrong, I've seen it.

Look, if a young white man is not actively learning a trade or attending school with the immediate goal of establishing his own home and finding a healthy, marriage-minded white female for the main purpose of raising up several kids, then he's just a poser.

Then you have the pathetic guys who complain there's "no good white women out there." This has to be the most pathetic whine in existence. I got news for these guys - you're too goddamn lazy and weak to survive if that's your excuse. You don't want a woman, you want a female version of yourself! The fact is most women will eventually adopt the politics of their man. That's if the guy actually acts like a man, has educated himself on politics, and is worthy of respect.

We need Aryan privet schools, Day care centers, Senior centers, retirement communities, construction companies, lawn care providers, investment bankers, barbers, plumbers cable installers, county workers, city planners, cops, bus drivers teachers, the whole gambit...

True again.

Fucking religion is a nightmare, it is dividing our moment more then anything. It is fucking killing us, if we can not band together we are all dead. It is our people vs the rest of the world. I dont give a fuck about your jesus fag ass christ and I never will. What I do care about is your white like me, and I will help you survive no mater what. My people mean a lot more to me then god and salvation. I am Vedic, and if you cant understand you have no right talking religion to me.

Sorry, comrade, I have to disagree here. The main problem on the religion issue is the hate that's spewed by atheists and anti-Christians against Christians. Look, I can go onto racial Christian message boards and nobody is bashing non-Christian racialists. But go to any anti-Christian racialist message forum and its loaded with people who seem barely able to contain their hatred against Christians and use all kinds of profanity and insults in describing Christians, even racialists, as useless dumb asses. These people really need to get a life and start thinking about the bigger picture.

[Magog]

We have to set the example... I am sure the Amonish did not try to get young people to take up their way of life... They went out in the country and did it themselves and they tough their kids how to be, and not allow them to become corrupted with materialism. Young people will not do shit. Fuck em, if they are lost fuck em.

We set the example and if they want to join the community fine, but they can never bring niggers or other muds with them.

Women today are full of materialism... They are lost. We need to start anew and build in them our values and show them that materialism is evil and wrong.

What we own, end up owning us.

[OTPTT]

Originally Posted by wildbill

The government is too strong.

The 'Green Zone' is likely the most heavily fortified area that the U.S. military has anywhere in the world. More so than say Washington, D.C. Consider the following article from yesterday's news.

Two Americans killed in Baghdad's Green Zone

BAGHDAD (AP) — An American was found dead in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, the U.S. military said Saturday, the apparent victim of an unprecedented slaying that occurred at a time when blast walls are coming down and Iraqi forces are assuming greater control.
Another American, believed to be a civilian contractor, was killed Friday night when a rocket struck the Green Zone near the U.S. Embassy, the military said. It was believed to be the first fatal rocket attack there this year.
Those deaths have raised concerns about security before the June 30 deadline for all U.S. combat troops to pull out of Baghdad and other cities. At least 66 people were killed nationwide in a two-day string of bombings this week.
Iraq assumed control of the Green Zone on Jan. 1 under a U.S.-Iraqi security agreement, taking primary responsibility from the Americans for searching vehicles and checking identity papers as entry checkpoints.
The Iraqis have begun removing some of the protective blast falls around the Green Zone — part of a campaign to restore a sense of normalcy as violence in the city has waned.
The U.S. military gave few details of the slaying, saying only that an American was found dead Friday in his car and that Army criminal investigators were handling the case. No further details were released.
An Iraqi security official said the victim had been stabbed in his chest and his throat had been slit. He said the body was found lying near a water tank by drivers who had gone there to fill water delivery trucks Friday morning.
The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not supposed to release information.
The victim was identified by his brother as Jim Kitterman, 60, of Houston, Texas, who runs a small construction company based in the Green Zone and had worked in Iraq for about six years.
Although Americans and others have been killed in rocket or mortar attacks in the Green Zone, Kitterman was believed to be the first American ever assassinated there since the protected area was established after the city fell to U.S. forces in April 2003.
The victim's brother, Cliff Kitterman, told The Associated Press that U.S. authorities notified him about his brother's death but he refused to give details of what he had been told.
The Washington Post quoted a U.S. official familiar with the investigation as saying the victim had been bound, blindfolded and stabbed multiple times. The newspaper did not identify the official by name because, it said, he was not authorized to release the information.
The 3.5-square mile area in the heart of Baghdad includes U.S. and other embassies, the Iraqi parliament and the prime minister's office. It has been long considered the safest area of the city.
Nevertheless, two suicide bombers struck a cafe and a nearby souvenir shop in October 2004, killing five people. In April 2007, a suicide attacker detonated an explosives vest inside the Iraqi parliament cafeteria in the Green Zone, killing a Sunni lawmaker and wounding 22 other people.
In 2005, Ronald Schulz of Anchorage, Alaska, was believed to have been kidnapped from the Green Zone where he was working as an electrician. His body and that of a woman believed to be his Iraqi fiancee were found by the U.S. military in a grave in September 2008.
The Islamic Army in Iraq claimed in December 2005 that it had killed the pair.
Also Saturday, the U.S. military said an American soldier died Friday in a noncombat incident in Baghdad province.
A military statement said the incident was under investigation. No further details were provided. The name of the soldier has not been released pending notification of next of kin.
At least 4,300 members of the U.S. military have died in the Iraq war, according to an Associated Press count.
The figure includes eight military civilians killed in action. At least 3,443 military personnel died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

Strong or powerful is one thing but invincible they are not. By no means am I encouraging any untoward activity and am only making observations. I will use justified violence as a means of self-defense if I am attacked and which is one of many of my Inalienable Natural Rights. Regardless of the attacker(s).

[Rex E. Cuto]

Yeah, having served in the military, I'm not too impressed with its longterm operational status either.

[Alex Linder]

Sorry, comrade, I have to disagree here. The main problem on the religion issue is the hate that's spewed by atheists and anti-Christians against Christians. Look, I can go onto racial Christian message boards and nobody is bashing non-Christian racialists. But go to any anti-Christian racialist message forum and its loaded with people who seem barely able to contain their hatred against Christians and use all kinds of profanity and insults in describing Christians, even racialists, as useless dumb asses. These people really need to get a life and start thinking about the bigger picture.

Christians earned the hatred they get. Anyone who has put out the racialist argument knows the grunts working against it are christians. Why or how that came to be is irrelevant next to the fact that it is. There aren't enough jews to oppress everybody without other people helping, and Christians are a very large percentage of those who enable the jews to destroy us. Where does the ADL go when it wishes to smear and stigmatize a White leader? It takes its field office manager in the district and teams up with a local Christian preacher.

What precisely does Christianity do that we want more of?

Nothing, or very close to it.

What does Christianity do that we want less of?

Almost everything.

[Pastor Visser]

Here's an interesting quote by a well-known Marxist jew:

"We hate Christianity and Christians. Even the best of them must be regarded as our worst enemies. They preach love of one's neighbour and mercy, which is contrary to our principles. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with love of one's neighbour. What we need is hatred; only thus shall we conquer the universe." -Anatoli Vasilyevich Lunacharsky / Komissar of Education in the Soviet Union (1917-29) -The Commissariat of Enlightenment

...and from the jewish talMUD:

• "Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than incest". (Abodah Zarah 17a, p.85).
• "WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS". (Sanhedrin 99a,p.668).
• "Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell". (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b, pp.601-602, 680).
• "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." TALMUD: Coschen Hamischpat, Hagah 425

The enemy worries little about non-Christians. That what we DON'T want more of.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Pastor Visser

Here's an interesting quote by a well-known Marxist jew:

"We hate Christianity and Christians. Even the best of them must be regarded as our worst enemies. They preach love of one's neighbour and mercy, which is contrary to our principles. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with love of one's neighbour. What we need is hatred; only thus shall we conquer the universe." -Anatoli Vasilyevich Lunacharsky / Komissar of Education in the Soviet Union (1917-29) -The Commissariat of Enlightenment

...and from the jewish talMUD:

• "Christians are allied with Hell, and Christianity is worse than incest". (Abodah Zarah 17a, p.85).
• "WHEN MESSIAH COMES HE WILL DESTROY THE CHRISTIANS". (Sanhedrin 99a,p.668).
• "Those who read the Gospels are doomed to Hell". (Sanhedrin 90a, 100b, pp.601-602, 680).
• "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah." TALMUD: Coschen Hamischpat, Hagah 425

The enemy worries little about non-Christians. That what we DON'T want more of.

Yeah, so the solution is to go CI and claim that whites are the real jews.

Genius.

[Pastor Visser]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Yeah, so the solution is to go CI and claim that whites are the real jews.

Genius.

Err, I don’t think I even suggested as such. I think it’s pretty common knowledge that most jews are atheist at their core root and even Hitler fought against such sad creatures considering them "animals."

As you said - the higher up in the “enlightenment” scale one goes the more godless it becomes. I'd rather pick the side that the enemy HATES as opposed to BECOMING one. I'm saddened you've adopted their antichrist (bolshevik) religion.

Not to mention there’s not a single CI preacher who claims whites are “jews.”

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Christian earned the hatred they get. Anyone who has put out the racialist knows the grunts working against it are christians. Why or how that came to be is irrelevant next to the fact that it is. There aren't enough jews to oppress everybody without other people helping, and Christians are a very large percentage of those who enable the jews to destroy us. Where does the ADL go when it wishes to smear and stigmatize a White leader? It takes its field office manager in the district and teams up with a local Christian preacher.

America has the misfortune of being the eternal hotbed of religious sects and cults based on bogus interpretations of Christian teaching or the Bible. You, yourself, I recall were raised in one of these bullshit fringe cults, so-called "Christian Science." No wonder you dislike Christianity so badly. Even I can understand that. The difference is when you look to other Christian countries such as Russia, Serbia, Greece, Lebanon, etc. you don't find this situation because these places adhere to traditional Christianity and aren't pro-Jewish. In England, the Christian establishment there are mostly pro-Muslim, much to the consternation of the Jews!

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by wildbill

America has the misfortune of being the eternal hotbed of religious sects and cults based on bogus interpretations of Christian teaching or the Bible. You, yourself, I recall were raised in one of these bullshit fringe cults, so-called "Christian Science." No wonder you dislike Christianity so badly. Even I can understand that. The difference is when you look to other Christian countries such as Russia, Serbia, Greece, Lebanon, etc. you don't find this situation because these places adhere to traditional Christianity and aren't pro-Jewish. In England, the Christian establishment there are mostly pro-Muslim, much to the consternation of the Jews!

No, you misunderstand Christian Science as you do pretty much everything else. Christian science is the farthest thing from a cult, even though its doctrine is entirely false. It is completely non-dogmatic. There are no penalties, not even any social sanctions, for people who go to doctors.

There's also the fact that Christian Scientists, taking one with another, are considerably more intelligent and richer, on average than pretty much any other subset of Christians. For whatever reason, people are so built that they can be rational and functional in one area and completely insane in another. Christian Science is simply one of a thousand forms of liberalism, in that it pretends reality is whatever we decide it is. What makes it remarkable is that it applies this to medicine and disease, and that's how it's stuck in the public mind, but the fundamental mistake is common to all liberalism and to all Christianity. Remember, that the Christian cult is built on the claim that a "savior" came back from the dead.

If CS were what motivated my attitude, I would like Christianity better than I do. I had good experiences with CS, altho I knew it was wrong from the first time I was able to consider it. The Christians I've had bad experiences with are the Baptists, the Methodists, the Presbyterians and the Episcopalians. With Mormons I've had good experiences. My view of Catholics is mixed.

My souring on Christianity emotionally, as opposed to intellectually, came from the literally thousands of emails I've received from them since I've been doing VNN. They are stupid. That's the most prominent thing about them. They know not how to spell or think. The second thing about them is they are 500 pounds of hate in a 300-lb. bag. Really, it's probably genetic, and Christianity merely determines the cast it takes, but that said, it's interesting that as you move up the character/brains/income food chain, you find fewer and fewer Christians, and more and more atheists. Christianity truly is make-believe for morons. Not all Christians are poor, dumb and easily led, but that's sure as hell where to send the junk mail.

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

No, you misunderstand Christian Science as you do pretty much everything else. Christian science is the farthest thing from a cult, even though its doctrine is entirely false. It is completely non-dogmatic. There are no penalties, not even any social sanctions, for people who go to doctors.

The important issue is Christian Science has no connection to historic Christianity other than having the word Christian in its name. It might as well be named the Mary Baker Eddy Club.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by wildbill

America has the misfortune of being the eternal hotbed of religious sects and cults based on bogus interpretations of Christian teaching or the Bible.

This is the problem. There is no "real" interpretation of Christianity. It's not like something with standards, say, math, engineering, logic or reason. It's just a bunch of people asserting different positions as the real thing. But all of those positions involve making a statements about reality that are factually untrue - and that is the only REAL SUBSTANTIAL AND UNCHANGING thing about Christianity - its counterfactuality.

[Alex Linder]

I know you like to get at CS or me by claiming CS is a cult but this cheap attempt to score a debater's point fails because CS is not. There is no search for heretics, as you find in a true cult - liberalism or Jim Jones or communism. If you go to a doctor, they don't throw you out - nearly all of them do themselves. Their doctrine is that it's ok to get a broken bone set by a doctor. All of them go to eye docs and dentists, at least all the ones I knew. What do you expect from a religion created by a woman? I would expect it to whore after fashion and to be irrational. Bingo: the fasion is in the name -- "science" - a use akin to the communists' 'scientific revolution' (as opposed to the non-scientific socialists preceding Marx) and today's global warming - not in the name but in the idea of wrapping a religious-political worldview in the neutral, attractive colors of science, which, unlike communism, retains respect in the eyes of the public.

Not everything that's doctrinally wrong manifests in a world-murdering form. The same crazy Protestant doctrines driving Thomas Muentzer, leading him and the nuns and priests to dance around naked, practice free love, prepare for the millenium, also drives the highly conservative Amish. Christian Science by no objective measure is a cult: it is not closed off from the world - it has reading rooms to attract people. It does not harass people, not even socially within the church, for using doctors. So anyone who calls it a cult is factually wrong, but of course the intent is not to describe it accurately but to make a debater's point.

Let Andrei Kievsky post on the matter if I'm wrong. He and I were raised in CS, and I think there might even be a few others.

But no, Christianity itself is a manifestation of liberalism, which is defined and grounded in its view that objective reality is fantasy and fantasy is the real reality. No doubt that insanity has been found in humans since we crawled out of the tide, but Christianity is one of its forms, and in the 20-21st century, one of its more dangerous forms because of its base and the directions in which the jews have channeled it. Christianity was always a low-running fever in western man, but under jew doctoring, it's mutating into something closer to ebola.

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

This is the problem. There is no "real" interpretation of Christianity.

No, you're wrong. Its historical. What church has existed continuously since the earliest records of Christianity? There's only two possible answers, Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy. Everything else is heresy. In 1054 AD all the bishops excommunicated the Bishop of Rome. The Bishop of Rome heads what we know as the Roman Catholic church. All the remaining bishops maintained their unity and represented the Christianity that has continued until this day and is known as the Orthodox Church. Based on these facts, and setting aside your biases and considering the question objectively, which of these two would you consider to be the authentic and historical Christian church?

All these sects and cults that you constantly complain about are bogus. In most cases they've only existed for a century or two and reject traditional theology and liturgy. Most of them were started by some crackpot preacher who had a falling out with another crackpot preacher. What we know as "Christian Zionism" was popularized around 1900 by Cyrus Scofield, a man with no formal religious training and even worse was a convicted swindler!

The bottom line is all churches WEREN'T created equal.

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

This is the problem. There is no "real" interpretation of Christianity. It's not like something with standards, say, math, engineering, logic or reason. It's just a bunch of people asserting different positions as the real thing. But all of those positions involve making a statements about reality that are factually untrue - and that is the only REAL SUBSTANTIAL AND UNCHANGING thing about Christianity - its counterfactuality.

As I pointed out in another post, one can make the same argument about many things. Would you argue there's no legitimate interpretation of National Socialism because we have such things as "green nazis", "traditional national socialists" and so on? Now lately we have some half-breed on the YouTube wearing a swastika and claiming that Hitler wasn't a racist. That's something I didn't ever think I'd ever see but it exists. Does this fact mean Hitler's didn't exist, or his ideas were all worthless, and any group calling itself "national socialist" is automatically equally legitimate?