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Old March 15th, 2009 #41
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I also am the only leader in the world who actually talks about having been molested. Everyone else sweeps their scary things under the rug and presents himself as Mr. Faultfree GleamingTeeth.
Like a few others here, I have to confess that I don't really know who you are (there's so much to keep track of just in the mainstream news that I often fall behind as to what's happening in WN), but I think it's a good thing that you're upfront about having been molested. First it shows that you haven't let it destroy you, and second, because you have been a casualty of the dark side of homosexuality that the queer lobby tries so hard to hide from the general public. The topic of boys being molested by fags makes queers and feminists nervous.

You're also a good-looking man, which, let's be honest, can't hurt at getting female support. If I had a nickel for every woman I've heard say she supported this or that politician because she liked the way he looked...

I think the combination of manliness and vulnerability is something a lot of women will find alluring.

Best of luck to you in this endeavor. WN could really use some effective leaders.
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Old March 15th, 2009 #42
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TRUST NO ONE! Our movement is filled with all kinds of wackos. Don't jump the gun and make the assumption that if he fights for our race, he is actually one of us. Quit looking for a leader, The path to victory starts with no one but yourself.

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Old March 15th, 2009 #43
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Maybe so, Nick, but you still have to have leadership. Most people have no interest (average person) in being a leader. They try to find leadership and expect those leaders to act in their best interest. And, as can be seen on any internetz forum, everyone thinks it should be done their way. Everyone as leader doesn't work. I think some people call that anarchy.
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What we need is a cult of personality that is not based on a person.
 
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What we need is a cult of personality that is not based on a person.
Like a mythical folk hero?
 
Old March 15th, 2009 #46
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Maybe so, Nick, but you still have to have leadership. Most people have no interest (average person) in being a leader. They try to find leadership and expect those leaders to act in their best interest. And, as can be seen on any internetz forum, everyone thinks it should be done their way. Everyone as leader doesn't work. I think some people call that anarchy.
Why should we accept anyone who has questionable behavior or past as a major leader in the "movement"? Half of Americans and many people on this board are nothing but sheep. They have absolutely no mind of their own. We need leaders on a smaller scale. We need guys to stand up in maybe a city, county, or on a state scale and just start getting brothers together for activism. We need to cast away the ego maniacs of the movement and start building a solid front of activists who live and not just preach the doctrine of National Socialism.

Lets look at just the people that post here on VNN. How many people on here go out and even distribute maybe 100 fliers a month? Answer: A few to none. Look at some of the "big" users on this forum. How many of them do anything beside post here?

Hell jsut go here and order some Project SchoolYard II cds. http://tightrope.cc/catalog/product_...6nqjg0s8v3t0u4 They are $0.30 each. Go get 100 of them and find some area to hand them out. Maybe, pick up a few young guys, and then get them to start doing activism. Magic leader is not going to awaken the kids, you are. And when they awaken they are gonna look to you, not magic leader for knowledge and guidance. Thus, a leader is born.
 
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Small scale leadership is a great idea, I think. Local is always a good start. If people do that, they should look at the cell concept initially, IMO. We don't have anyone in my area that I know of. Last gathering I went to was anti illegal mestizo rally. It was all senior citizens. Made me really disgusted that younger people don't give a fuck.

I will look at the project cds. I can say that I did TAA distros back when they were still around. I have not heard of any media coming from VNN lately. Would be nice if they brought it back.

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Why should we accept anyone who has questionable behavior or past as a major leader in the "movement"?
I will grant you that. Mr. de Nugent, as far as I know, hasn't blown anyone's money on hookers or gambling tables. He hasn't tried to take over some mud owned island. Yes, we have some real charlatans running around but I don't think he is one of them. My personal favorite for someone on a national level would be Ed Steele but he has no interest.
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Old March 16th, 2009 #48
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You know, some people hate Bill White, some love him, some feel he's been an asset to WN, others feel he makes us look bad, but however you feel, that guy has been doing everything that a real leader should be -- organizing events, publishing a magazine, speaking to the media, devising publicity stunts, making court appearances, running his people in local elections, and, well, running an actual organization. Every time I've talked to a Bill White supporter, I've been struck by their optimism and enthusiasm -- and many of his supporters are young, in their late teens/early 20's, an age group which usually doesn't give a rat's ass about politics. We need more people with these kinds of leadership skills who can inspire that level of confidence and enthusiasm. I have nothing against lone wolf activism (hey, that's what I do!), but it's ridiculous to think we're going to get to where we need to go that way alone.

Being a leader is really a pretty thankless job when you get right down to it, it's something I would personally do only grudgingly, so anyone who's willing to take a crack at it and seems like they'll be good at it should be supported. Not blindly supported, but supported.
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Old March 16th, 2009 #49
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An activist, political, membership organization is the only way to go. 1,000 angry white men in the streets on a regular basis will stampede the masses into joining them. And if we're unable or unwilling to recruit 1,000, then we don't deserve to live, much less survive and procreate.

Unite and organize the masses. They're ready. And a strong, charismatic, young, capable white man can make it happen. Just like Hitler did.

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An activist, political, membership organization is the only way to go. 1,000 angry white men in the streets on a regular basis will stampede the masses into joining them. And if we're unable or unwilling to recruit 1,000, then we don't deserve to live, much less survive and procreate.

Unite and organize the masses. They're ready. And a strong, charismatic, young, capable white man can make it happen. Just like Hitler did.

I found one I am going to give a try, Rounder. I won't mention the name here but they seem well run and dedicated to hitting the streets.

Will we ever see any more TAAs? I had a lot of fun distributing those and would like to see more coming out of VNN than just the forum. This internet shit isn't doing anything in real life for Whites.
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I would agree with you if Bill White were a normal individual. Unfortunately, he's a narcissistic egomaniac who has achieved...what exactly? Oh yes, putting himself in prison.

I submit that we need normal-looking people: friendly, smiling, clean-cut, well-dressed, clean, articulate (no Nigger this, no Kike that), orderly, no earrings, no tattoos, no screaming for the cameras, no uniforms, no armbands, no death skulls, no Swastikas, no sun wheels, no Germanic eagles, no esoteric symbolism whatsoever, no stiff-armed fascist salutes, no loud industrial music, no histrionics, and always well-behaved.

Khaki or black pants and White shirt might be acceptable for a public outing. I wouldn't go beyond that.

THE WATCHWORD IS ***NORMAL***.

However, I'm not talking about altering the fundamentals, I'm talking about presentation.

Americans should model themselves on the most successful European far-Right parties. Study their organizations and public presentation. What do you see?

Most European nations have organizationally and electorally successful racialist and anti-immigrationist parties, why not the U.S.?

However, I'll add the following, just being anti-immigration isn't enough, you need more. You need an entire program. You need solutions, ideas, you need policy positions on almost everything. This is what has kept many European parties from achieving power, many of them are one-trick ponies...and that will get you only so far.

Dr. David Duke has been the only White leader with any electoral success. Why? He looks normal.



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You know, some people hate Bill White, some love him, some feel he's been an asset to WN, others feel he makes us look bad, but however you feel, that guy has been doing everything that a real leader should be -- organizing events, publishing a magazine, speaking to the media, devising publicity stunts, making court appearances, running his people in local elections, and, well, running an actual organization. Every time I've talked to a Bill White supporter, I've been struck by their optimism and enthusiasm -- and many of his supporters are young, in their late teens/early 20's, an age group which usually doesn't give a rat's ass about politics. We need more people with these kinds of leadership skills who can inspire that level of confidence and enthusiasm. I have nothing against lone wolf activism (hey, that's what I do!), but it's ridiculous to think we're going to get to where we need to go that way alone.

Being a leader is really a pretty thankless job when you get right down to it, it's something I would personally do only grudgingly, so anyone who's willing to take a crack at it and seems like they'll be good at it should be supported. Not blindly supported, but supported.

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Old March 17th, 2009 #52
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Thanks, and here is the difference. I am a spiritual person, and I try to be absolutely honest. If I am wrong, you can tell me.

And that is why my thread went to 82,00 views on Stormfront, 23K here, 25K on ThePhora.net, 3K on vivamalta.org, and 1k on nolajbs.net

I also am the only leader in the world who actually talks about having been molested. Everyone else sweeps their scary things under the rug and presents himself as Mr. Faultfree GleamingTeeth.

Yes, I believe I really am different.
I have no problem with your frankness. Some abused, confused European teen might find you to be a helpful role model, and find the strength to make the right choices from your example.
You also seem to have something that is desperately needed by Europeans/Aryans who are interested in surviving.
It's called "diplomatic skill".
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Old March 17th, 2009 #53
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This sort of thinking is going to be the demise of our entire movement. "He steps up to the plate." Well, what of it? We're all supposed to knight him or her as the next Fueher of our movement because they want to be the next Fueher of our movement? Great men step forward, yes, but they are not "self-appointed great men." They're great men because they're capable of great achievements.

I don't know much of anything about John Nugent. I have been gone from the internet (and thus the Nationalist communities) for a few years. That said, I have seen some of his speeches via youtube. The fact of the matter is (and no offense to him personally), he doesn't inspire me. Don Black (whether you like stormfront's face lift or not) has contributed greatly to our movement through his massive forum but he, too, doesn't inspire me. David Duke has written some very good books and fought the good fight, yes, but he, too, doesn't inspire me.

I'm a National Socialist. If people representing my own ideology (or ideologies similar) don't inspire me, they aren't going to inspire the mainstream masses.
There is a difference between a contributor to our movement and a Leader, and if I see one more keyboard warrior trying to convince me a minor Internet-Celebrity is our Messiah i'm going to vomit.

The entire history of our movement in America is one of unappealing and uninspiring leaders, from the Bund onwards. I'm not about to fall in line behind another one simply because he's there.
 
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I submit that we need normal-looking people: friendly, smiling, clean-cut, well-dressed, clean, articulate (no Nigger this, no Kike that), orderly, no earrings, no tattoos, no screaming for the cameras, no uniforms, no armbands, no death skulls, no Swastikas, no sun wheels, no Germanic eagles, no esoteric symbolism whatsoever, no stiff-armed fascist salutes, no loud industrial music, no histrionics, and always well-behaved.

...

However, I'll add the following, just being anti-immigration isn't enough, you need more. You need an entire program. You need solutions, ideas, you need policy positions on almost everything. This is what has kept many European parties from achieving power, many of them are one-trick ponies...and that will get you only so far.
I agree with much of what you say, and it especially holds true now that "ordinary" white Americans are going to be abandoning the Republican Party in droves. But one thing to bear in mind is that a lot of people under the age of 30 have tattoos, listen to loud industrial music, curse like sailors, have children out of wedlock, etc., but they are nevertheless white and have every bit as much reason to be concerned about the immigration invasion, affirmative action, the economy, the media being run by an unaccountable elite, etc., as anyone. There's no reason to alienate this segment of the population by giving it the impression that WN is just about knee-jerk, reactionary conservatism. We need guys in suits-and-ties, but we also need guys with mohawks, nose rings, and ripped T-shirts. It's especially the people under 30 that I'm worried about, since they're primarily the ones who are going to have to live with the consequences of what the previous two or three generations have allowed to happen.

As for the need for an all-encompassing program, I agree. WN often seems to define itself more by what it stands against than what it's actually for. I tried to get some discussion going about this last year:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=85078
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I found one I am going to give a try, Rounder. I won't mention the name here but they seem well run and dedicated to hitting the streets.

Will we ever see any more TAAs? I had a lot of fun distributing those and would like to see more coming out of VNN than just the forum. This internet shit isn't doing anything in real life for Whites.
Hopefully, VNN's 8th edition will be out soon. Varg says he's putting it together.

There oughta be hundreds of active, in-the-streets, white rights groups, each with hundreds or thousands of active members. And most of them growing by leaps and bounds. Trouble is, so damn few white men have the guts, initiative, and energy to start one up, recruit, and lead.

Once you've committed, thrown yourself completely and full time into the task, your recruiting successes will amaze you. 10, then 50, then 100 and finally 1,000 will fill your ranks and follow you in the streets. Soon the fed-up, dispossessed white masses, inspired by your heroism and the sight of a thousand white men standing together, will stampede into the ranks, either as members, financial supporters, or ardent sympathizers spreading the word.

And forget about recruiting "normal" whites at first. Braun is honest and means well, but he's dead wrong on this. Normal means middle class. And the bourgeois middle class ain't never in history done shit to resist tyranny. These forums are filled with them. Go after those with little to lose - the lower income and unemployed sober "rednecks". There are tens-of-millions of them out there, coast to coast - men, women, and youth. The middle class "Novemberlings", the anonymous net spectators, and the rich will come later when it's safer.
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And forget about recruiting "normal" whites at first. Braun is honest and means well, but he's dead wrong on this. Normal means middle class. And the bourgeois middle class ain't never in history done shit to resist tyranny. These forums are filled with them. Go after those with little to lose - the lower income and unemployed sober "rednecks". There are tens-of-millions of them out there, coast to coast - men, women, and youth. The middle class "Novemberlings", the anonymous net spectators, and the rich will come later when it's safer.
You are 100% correct. This notion of toning down the message, and appealing to the upper class is garbage. Your old group and the National Socialists in Chicago are prime examples of uniformed racialist getting the job done. We need to start putting more emphasis on recruiting from the lower class and rehabilitating many of them just like GLR did. These teenagers have no options to turn to except a degenerate lifestyle of drugs, booze, and their fucking MTV! Its not that our tactics don't work, its that you fuckers are to lazy and chicken shit to get into the streets and wake these little shits up. We can just look at some of the people here on VNN and see how lazy you bastards are. How many of you are waiting fro these TAA to come out? I mean seriously, Its a good project and all, but people should be putting out propaganda by the hundreds per month regardless of whether or not its a TAA.
 
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Those who greatly benefit from the status quo should never be specifically targeted for recruitment. It's a waste of time. They will come later when WE become the status quo.
 
Old March 18th, 2009 #58
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This is a very good thread -- esp. about mass movements!

I found myself under sudden attack over at SF, Henrik Holappa arrested, and his money seized and now extradition threatening, all in one week.

BTW, things may now be calling down there, with David Duke weighing in:

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There has been some recent controversy surrounding the arrest of Henrik H and John de Nugent who befriended him in the United States. I think whatever actions John de Nugent took in the matter were sincerely meant to help Henrik and I think that John is completely sincere in his efforts for the European-American people.

I also think that crass and baseless allegations of sexual deviance are the lowest and most destable form of character assasination, and knowing both John and Margaret, my belief is that that they are a loving and caring couple who have a healthy and wholesome relationship.

I realize that when things are said and bantered back and forth in an internet forum, that people can say outlandish things and then both sides can escalate to a point of character assasination. I think some of this occcured on both sides in this controversy. I think some pretty awful things were insinuated against John and I think he overreacted to this Internet banter. My sincere hope is that both sides will de-escalate this pointless battle and mend fences even though I realize that such is hard to do when people have been personally vilified in the heat of battle.

This whole process started on the issue of Henrik H and got way off the important issue of his support and aid while he is held by immigration authorities. Henrik has requested and wants John's continued help. If others want to help too, that's fine, but I hope John de Nugent is not undermined in his efforts to help Henrik.


Official asylum application photo for HH. He was totally legal when arrested.

I pray that nothing more is said on these matters now except the actual situation and needs of Henrik. I will make no more comments on this matter and consider this unfortunate episode closed. Let's all move on to more productive endeavors for our people!

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This was nice of David, and I hope all comrades will return to peace. WE WNs live in a pressure cooker and it can be very depressing, for we seethe at things (such as Obama and race-mixing couples) that other whites just shrug off. We need an outlet for our rage and sometimes it is each other.
 
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An activist, political, membership organization is the only way to go. 1,000 angry white men in the streets on a regular basis will stampede the masses into joining them. And if we're unable or unwilling to recruit 1,000, then we don't deserve to live, much less survive and procreate.
"We" being White Nationalists, yes? This Movement.

And I would really be interested to know how many we are nationwide. And I think you will find, if you look at this Movement for a while, hang around on its forums, get connected with whatever it is you are able to discover about it, that it doesn't probably amount to more than a thousand people in the virtual space, never mind what you can get in a room, and way never mind what you can get marching in the streets.

Which is discouraging on the surface, but should tell you something about what kind of resources are dedicated to distorting and disrupting and splintering it, and keeping it from gaining traction. I really do not think, out of 200 million white people, you can only get a thousand people who are ready to talk sense in the way all of our grandfathers would have talked. -- One out of every 200,000 white people has a clue what's going on? Come on.
 
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Dr David Duke and hopeful president elect John de Nugent and many others are at the forefront fighting for our cause.

As the saying goes; Rome wasn’t built in a day. And so we should take it one day at a time. Folks get too worked up on the net, spread innuendos like wildfire. I know its frustrating seen our country dying. we should not let it get to us .there are other forces at work. Don’t be distracted by the naysayer. Keep the dream alive.
 
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