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You're also a good-looking man, which, let's be honest, can't hurt at getting female support. If I had a nickel for every woman I've heard say she supported this or that politician because she liked the way he looked... I think the combination of manliness and vulnerability is something a lot of women will find alluring. Best of luck to you in this endeavor. WN could really use some effective leaders.
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TRUST NO ONE! Our movement is filled with all kinds of wackos. Don't jump the gun and make the assumption that if he fights for our race, he is actually one of us. Quit looking for a leader, The path to victory starts with no one but yourself.
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Maybe so, Nick, but you still have to have leadership. Most people have no interest (average person) in being a leader. They try to find leadership and expect those leaders to act in their best interest. And, as can be seen on any internetz forum, everyone thinks it should be done their way. Everyone as leader doesn't work. I think some people call that anarchy.
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And I repeat:
What we need is a cult of personality that is not based on a person.
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Lets look at just the people that post here on VNN. How many people on here go out and even distribute maybe 100 fliers a month? Answer: A few to none. Look at some of the "big" users on this forum. How many of them do anything beside post here? Hell jsut go here and order some Project SchoolYard II cds. http://tightrope.cc/catalog/product_...6nqjg0s8v3t0u4 They are $0.30 each. Go get 100 of them and find some area to hand them out. Maybe, pick up a few young guys, and then get them to start doing activism. Magic leader is not going to awaken the kids, you are. And when they awaken they are gonna look to you, not magic leader for knowledge and guidance. Thus, a leader is born.
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Small scale leadership is a great idea, I think. Local is always a good start. If people do that, they should look at the cell concept initially, IMO. We don't have anyone in my area that I know of. Last gathering I went to was anti illegal mestizo rally. It was all senior citizens. Made me really disgusted that younger people don't give a fuck.
I will look at the project cds. I can say that I did TAA distros back when they were still around. I have not heard of any media coming from VNN lately. Would be nice if they brought it back. Quote:
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You know, some people hate Bill White, some love him, some feel he's been an asset to WN, others feel he makes us look bad, but however you feel, that guy has been doing everything that a real leader should be -- organizing events, publishing a magazine, speaking to the media, devising publicity stunts, making court appearances, running his people in local elections, and, well, running an actual organization. Every time I've talked to a Bill White supporter, I've been struck by their optimism and enthusiasm -- and many of his supporters are young, in their late teens/early 20's, an age group which usually doesn't give a rat's ass about politics. We need more people with these kinds of leadership skills who can inspire that level of confidence and enthusiasm. I have nothing against lone wolf activism (hey, that's what I do!), but it's ridiculous to think we're going to get to where we need to go that way alone.
Being a leader is really a pretty thankless job when you get right down to it, it's something I would personally do only grudgingly, so anyone who's willing to take a crack at it and seems like they'll be good at it should be supported. Not blindly supported, but supported.
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An activist, political, membership organization is the only way to go. 1,000 angry white men in the streets on a regular basis will stampede the masses into joining them. And if we're unable or unwilling to recruit 1,000, then we don't deserve to live, much less survive and procreate.
Unite and organize the masses. They're ready. And a strong, charismatic, young, capable white man can make it happen. Just like Hitler did.
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Will we ever see any more TAAs? I had a lot of fun distributing those and would like to see more coming out of VNN than just the forum. This internet shit isn't doing anything in real life for Whites.
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I would agree with you if Bill White were a normal individual. Unfortunately, he's a narcissistic egomaniac who has achieved...what exactly? Oh yes, putting himself in prison.
I submit that we need normal-looking people: friendly, smiling, clean-cut, well-dressed, clean, articulate (no Nigger this, no Kike that), orderly, no earrings, no tattoos, no screaming for the cameras, no uniforms, no armbands, no death skulls, no Swastikas, no sun wheels, no Germanic eagles, no esoteric symbolism whatsoever, no stiff-armed fascist salutes, no loud industrial music, no histrionics, and always well-behaved. Khaki or black pants and White shirt might be acceptable for a public outing. I wouldn't go beyond that. THE WATCHWORD IS ***NORMAL***. However, I'm not talking about altering the fundamentals, I'm talking about presentation. Americans should model themselves on the most successful European far-Right parties. Study their organizations and public presentation. What do you see? Most European nations have organizationally and electorally successful racialist and anti-immigrationist parties, why not the U.S.? However, I'll add the following, just being anti-immigration isn't enough, you need more. You need an entire program. You need solutions, ideas, you need policy positions on almost everything. This is what has kept many European parties from achieving power, many of them are one-trick ponies...and that will get you only so far. Dr. David Duke has been the only White leader with any electoral success. Why? He looks normal. Quote:
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You also seem to have something that is desperately needed by Europeans/Aryans who are interested in surviving. It's called "diplomatic skill".
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This sort of thinking is going to be the demise of our entire movement. "He steps up to the plate." Well, what of it? We're all supposed to knight him or her as the next Fueher of our movement because they want to be the next Fueher of our movement? Great men step forward, yes, but they are not "self-appointed great men." They're great men because they're capable of great achievements.
I don't know much of anything about John Nugent. I have been gone from the internet (and thus the Nationalist communities) for a few years. That said, I have seen some of his speeches via youtube. The fact of the matter is (and no offense to him personally), he doesn't inspire me. Don Black (whether you like stormfront's face lift or not) has contributed greatly to our movement through his massive forum but he, too, doesn't inspire me. David Duke has written some very good books and fought the good fight, yes, but he, too, doesn't inspire me. I'm a National Socialist. If people representing my own ideology (or ideologies similar) don't inspire me, they aren't going to inspire the mainstream masses. There is a difference between a contributor to our movement and a Leader, and if I see one more keyboard warrior trying to convince me a minor Internet-Celebrity is our Messiah i'm going to vomit. The entire history of our movement in America is one of unappealing and uninspiring leaders, from the Bund onwards. I'm not about to fall in line behind another one simply because he's there. |
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As for the need for an all-encompassing program, I agree. WN often seems to define itself more by what it stands against than what it's actually for. I tried to get some discussion going about this last year: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=85078
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There oughta be hundreds of active, in-the-streets, white rights groups, each with hundreds or thousands of active members. And most of them growing by leaps and bounds. Trouble is, so damn few white men have the guts, initiative, and energy to start one up, recruit, and lead. Once you've committed, thrown yourself completely and full time into the task, your recruiting successes will amaze you. 10, then 50, then 100 and finally 1,000 will fill your ranks and follow you in the streets. Soon the fed-up, dispossessed white masses, inspired by your heroism and the sight of a thousand white men standing together, will stampede into the ranks, either as members, financial supporters, or ardent sympathizers spreading the word. And forget about recruiting "normal" whites at first. Braun is honest and means well, but he's dead wrong on this. Normal means middle class. And the bourgeois middle class ain't never in history done shit to resist tyranny. These forums are filled with them. Go after those with little to lose - the lower income and unemployed sober "rednecks". There are tens-of-millions of them out there, coast to coast - men, women, and youth. The middle class "Novemberlings", the anonymous net spectators, and the rich will come later when it's safer.
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This is a very good thread -- esp. about mass movements!
I found myself under sudden attack over at SF, Henrik Holappa arrested, and his money seized and now extradition threatening, all in one week. BTW, things may now be calling down there, with David Duke weighing in: Quote:
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And I would really be interested to know how many we are nationwide. And I think you will find, if you look at this Movement for a while, hang around on its forums, get connected with whatever it is you are able to discover about it, that it doesn't probably amount to more than a thousand people in the virtual space, never mind what you can get in a room, and way never mind what you can get marching in the streets. Which is discouraging on the surface, but should tell you something about what kind of resources are dedicated to distorting and disrupting and splintering it, and keeping it from gaining traction. I really do not think, out of 200 million white people, you can only get a thousand people who are ready to talk sense in the way all of our grandfathers would have talked. -- One out of every 200,000 white people has a clue what's going on? Come on. |
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Dr David Duke and hopeful president elect John de Nugent and many others are at the forefront fighting for our cause.
As the saying goes; Rome wasn’t built in a day. And so we should take it one day at a time. Folks get too worked up on the net, spread innuendos like wildfire. I know its frustrating seen our country dying. we should not let it get to us .there are other forces at work. Don’t be distracted by the naysayer. Keep the dream alive. |
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