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Old November 18th, 2012 #81
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Problem here is your unique definition of conservative, which basically is defined as anyone on the right you disagree with. You consider Greg Johnson "a conservative", which is a stretch. Johnson is a 1930's style fascist, but since he took a soft line on the jewish Holocaust he is "a conservative" by your lights.
1930s-style fascists fought; Johnson dogmatically and a priori rejects violence. He is singlehandedly, with his collection of academics and other writes, going to create a sea change in culture that inevitably as a tsunami sweeps away existing mindsets and tiny villages and replaces them with new ones.

Johnson is a page fascist, but not a street fascist, hence not a real fascist. He is a WN, but functionally he's a conservative. That's what I've maintained. We will get into this, not just in relation to him, but in relation to the original NS and today's Golden Dawn.
 
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Which deserves more blame? Yankees or a christian subset? I say the latter. Your average Yankee didn't want Southerners tortured by niggers, only your do-gooding Puritan moralist types.
Who cares?

When the Jews were still in Poland and Russia (most of them wouldn't show up in America until the 1880s and 1890s), Yankees were already forcing blacks on the South. They had already made blacks into citizens. They had already used their military to put South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida under black majority rule.

Just read James S. Pike's The Prostrate State: South Carolina Under Negro Government to learn more about what happened when Yankees imposed Black Run Amerika on the South the first time around:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y04...page&q&f=false
 
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Who cares?

When the Jews were still in Poland and Russia (most of them wouldn't show up in America until the 1880s and 1890s), Yankees were already forcing blacks on the South. They had already made blacks citizens. They had already used their military to put South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida under black majority rule.
Nobody, and I mean nobody in the North cares about the Civil War. They simply never think about it.
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Here's a photo snapped about 20 minutes ago: that's me, 'ol Jethro.
Is that you or Ramzpaul?
 
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Anyone who can supply social conservatims - basically that just means sexual normality in everyday terms - will be followed by christians, whether he is overtly christian, neutral or opposed to it. I feel pretty safe saying that. It probably goes in reverse.
I don't see Christianity and conservatism as a bad thing:

- It means that White Southerners are more resistant to things like gay marriage, abortion, feminism.

- The lack of Christianity and conservatism in the Northeast means that Yankees are solidly in favor of gay marriage, abortion, and feminism. They are also far more likely to support Democrats who are explicitly anti-White and explicitly in favor of Third World immigration.

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One reason I depise the cult is it's inability as the 90% majority to keep jews from spreading their dreck-kultur, with its continual spurs to promiscuity, and general cheapness of character, out to the watchin world 24 hours a day. If some Franco arose who could put them in their place, I'd support him. But they can't produce these men. They are too weak. As a 90% majority!
If that is the case, then it should follow that the relative absence of Christianity should imply that Whites are more resistant to cultural degeneracy. That's not what we see though in Britain, Scandinavia, the Northeast or the West Coast.

Quite the opposite: the decline of Christianity means that Whites become more inclined, not less, to support cultural degeneracy in the form of things like gay marriage, abortion, feminism, etc.

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An anti-christian who could clean up society would have most of these 'christians' (few of which even understand their own cult, let along "believe" anything) would follow him. On a practical level, anyone against general jewish smut-kultur is on the same side. But these appeals must run under racial banners, not christian banners. We don't want the weakness, the ugliness, of the cult as our standard - that's for those who IDENTIFY as losers - ie, Souherners. I do not say that lightly either, that they identify as losers. It's part of their heritage, to which they are blindly and stupidly loyal. Losing is the Southern way. Winning would require changes in thinking and acting, and Southerners don't do that.
The anti-Christian Whites in the United States are concentrated in the Northeast, the Pacific Northwest, and the West Coast - and a majority of those Whites have chosen Barack Obama as their standard bearer in the last two presidential elections.

In fact, when you look at White America as a whole, you will find that the only Whites that Obama still really has much appeal to are the anti-Christian Whites who live in those areas. He won over the White majority in New England and Washington and Oregon.

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The point about the South is:

1) it's comparatively few people
2) they don't ever change
3) they are social conservatives who will support anyone who supports social conservatives
The South is socially conservative because it is Christian. That's actually good thing. Even when it comes to racial issues like immigration, affirmative action, the welfare state, the South is far better on these issues than the socially liberal Northeast.

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In political terms, the Southerners are people who can be taken for granted. WN can do this as easily as the Republicans can. There is literally no other party who will stand up for their cause but racialists. Theoretically Southern nationalists could, but they don't have anybody except the raceless LOS and CCC, both of which admit jews and love 'em, making them contemptible ZOG-cured bacon like every other political outlet.
1.) The conservative base has been signaling to the GOP establishment for the past four years that THEY CANNOT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED.

2.) The League of the South (LoS) and the Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC) are not raceless.

3.) Both of these organizations are fully aware of the Jewish Question.

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I know several WN from NE. You may be right about generalities, but you're underestimating the most important things

- much greater drive, intellectual ability and lust for the new in the North
- many more men in the north
1.) From abolition to gay marriage, the intellectual drive of the Northeast is racially and culturally destructive, and the South would be infinitely better off without the Northeast.

2.) The men in the Northeast have demonstrated to us time and again that they are on the side of the blacks, not on the side of Southern Whites.

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Just look around. Is WN more vibrant or Southern Nationalism? The answer is obvious. Southern Nationalism is...you...and...who? No one. Some PC ass-clowns, as you yourself know. And you're not even SN so much as just trying to make your name and find your own niche, which is understandable.
Absolutely.

1.) There are more people in the Texas Nationalist Movement, Council of Conservative Citizens, and the League of the South than any comparable White Nationalist organization.

2.) There are more people who are sympathetic to secession in Texas and the Lower South than anywhere else in America.

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It's 100x likelier a solution that actually works comes out of an SF queer like Greg Johnson than a bible believer in Alabama. I consider that self-evident. That does not mean I endorse Johnson's approach, because he is wrong, for reasons we will go into.
Well, those of us in the Deep South are sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for a successful demonstration of the vitality of White Nationalism in San Francisco or Vermont in some sphere other than fundraising.

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But he's at least attracting brains on the level where we can fight with the jew and actually have a chance of winning. The South doesn't contain or produce that kind of mind. It does produce some, but they almost inevitably are illiberals in love with the System and its ideology. The South produces very few intellectuals who remain loyal, and so it outside the South we must look.
For all that White Nationalist brainpower on display at Counter-Currents, you would think that they would be able to answer the most basic questions about their nationalist project such as ...

1.) Where is the proposed White ethnostate to be located in the real world?
2.) What ethnicity is to be the basis of this proposed ethnostate?
3.) What process will create this White ethnostate?
4.) What is the name of the White Nationalist ethnostate?

Golden Dawn doesn't have any problem answering those questions: Greece, the Greeks, taking over the Greek government, Greece. Then again, Golden Dawn isn't trying to create a proposition nation like White Nationalists. They are Greek nationalists who identify with their real nation like Southern Nationalists.
 
Old November 18th, 2012 #86
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These hidebound, bible-girt regions in the Deep South which aren't mentally equipped to do battle with their intellectual superiors have consistently resisted every effort by the progressive, "intellectual," atheist Northeast to transform America into a guilt ridden Third World country.
Well, they're doing an awful shitty job of things, then. This Vermont and New Hampshire you hate are still 95% white. The South is 50% black. By your standards, that "proves" the South really likes niggers. Remember:

1) South didn't have to buy nigs in the first place
2) South could have killed the few million nigs when it became clear the cause was indeed lost
3) the South knew the North was run by a STRAIN of vindictive, CHRISTIAN do-gooding moralizers

The South's entire resistance is: the North (or that small subset of the north which nevertheless dominates it) SHOULD stop being moralizing, do-gooding, South-hating bastards. Yet the north keeps on not changing. So the South keeps suffering. There has to be a better way. The better way is not expecting "the North" to change, but to recognize the north is no monolith, and that there are, in absolute numbers, more northern men who feel the way most Southerners do about the basic stuff, including race, and finding some way to work with them to create a combination that can overthrow the Yankee strain - which is in any case less powerful than the jews, by far, at this point.

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What are the least religious states in America? Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire. Is White Nationalism thriving in that area? More White people in Vermont voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 than anywhere else in the country.
Voting is only one aspect of life, there are many others. People in the NE are famous for not liking anybody, let alone niggers. It's a stereotype for a reason. They don't have any sway anyway, they're tiny states with no electoral clout. Name me an NHer or Vermonter who owns a major paper or tv outlet. There aren't any. The country is run out of NYC and Washington, by money and media magnates, and that means jews. The christian do-gooder mentality you resent has been institutionalized in our public schools, and that's why the home-schooling movement is truly radical and revolutionary. And that's where, if anywhere, the christians would deserve some praise. But they aren't escaping the schools for racial reasons, they don't have problems with diversity generally, they have problems with the moral loosening public schools promote. I don't know of any studies that say home-schooling is stronger in South than North.

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It's actually a good thing that White Southerners are reading the Bible instead of the New York Times. Every single Jew in the U.S. Senate comes from the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West. The fact that Southerners are Christians means they are far less willing to vote for Jews than Yankees.
Eric Cantor? Mike Huckabee? The South is only not voting for jews because they aren't running - yet. It is perfectly willing to work for the most ardent jew ass-kissers like Lindsey Graham and John McCain and Mitt Romney.

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I'm more than willing to grant that Harvard University, MSNBC, and the New York Times are taken more seriously in the Northeast than the South. That's one reason the South is so much more resistant to America's Northeastern driven cultural decline.
The South is more resistant? How do you figure? Here, you merely show you haven't traveled the country. If your standard is moral behavior, the NE is better than the South, believe it or not. The north is if anything more resistant to Frankfurt School loosening than the South. Internationally? The South leaps to serve the neocon warmongers; it is the north that has doubts, to the extent anyone does. You have not yet risen to the level where you take your opponent seriously; in that you are quintessentially Southern.

These are serious people you are up against, they are not ass-clowns.

To take the top example, they don't whine about Yankees and then join the military. As your two top Southern posters do (Stonelifter and Apuleius).

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Golden Dawn is a Greek ethnonationalist party. They are thriving in the context of an economic collapse. That's encouraging news for Southern ethnonationalists. I can't wait to see if Texas is willing to go along with a federal bailout by Obama of, say, California or Illinois or New York.
Golden Dawn's practices are taken from Germans, and even now they are being exported to other European countries. All the ideological wisdom GD cites is drawn from Greeks or Germans, almost exclusively, and never from christ kooks.

We face a global, racial problem, not an ethnic problem.

Whatever was true before 1900, the jews have been in the driver's seat for well over 100 years. They are who we must deal with, and the South is but one small part of their overriding scheme to genocide white men. You don't have to deal with that, of course, but all it means is limiting the talent pool.

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I would say that history actually shows that the American South was the longest living and most successful race based society in the history of the world.
That might be, but...so what? Like South Africa, it came to a bad end.

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I would follow up by saying that the Northeast is not a racially based society. It was shedding itself of its racial identity as early as 1780 when Pennsylvania repealed its anti-miscegenation law before the American Revolution was even won.
Context: how many non-whites were in Penn. at that time?

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The Southern Baptist Convention was THE LAST mainstream institution in the United States to jump on board the anti-White bandwagon. The Southern Baptists didn't discover that "racism" was a sin until the early 1990s when I was still in high school.
But discover it they did. One could as well say the Mormons didn't discover it until the late 70s. And, their cult produces the highest white birth rate in the world, even still. And they're as pure a "burned-over district" phenomenon as it gets.

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OTOH, the secular Northeastern Ivy League universities like Columbia University in New York were leading the assault on White America as far back as the 1920s and 1930s.
They were dominated by jews even back then. Stoddard or more like Grant was complaining about jewish control of the newspapers before 1920.

Everything the jews did here was done in Germany in the second half of the 1800s, and was already thought about and written about at length by what came to be called 'anti-semites.'

Half the major WASP NE fanatics were over in Germany getting Ph.Ds and picking up crank ideas, so it's not like jews were without influence even when their numbers were few.

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Old November 18th, 2012 #87
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Default A couple of pre-debate thoughts

Mr Linder: I appreciate the debate as a way to work through differences, but I am more interested in the "working group" aspect of this encounter, where we can come out with some plans for further action. Time surely is of the essence here, no?

Question 1: Which would you prefer to live in a an all white, all christian society? Or a multicutural society where people shared all of your other views?

I often ask racialists who claim to be christian the same question in reverse, just to see where they really stand.

I am not a christian, more of a deist, but I would gladly live in an all christian society, provided it was white.

Q2: Would you work in a broad coalition that would include libertarians, infowarriors, Ron Paul types, free republic types, Christians, mormons, etc if it would lead to secession without explicit race segregation at first? Would you anticipate that secession without explicit racial separatism would within a decade or so yield actual separatism?

Q3: I really appreciated Goyfire, are you ready to do more video/audio work? Could this debate and the fact that we have a path to victory lead to more such activity from yourself?

Regards.
 
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I would sure like to see you guys pontificate about what a white-less world would look like.

Intellectual stagnation

De-industrialization

Whites, in the animal world, are the beavers of civilization, the builders which all others depend upon, either directly or indirectly.

Just imagine a world with only niggers and jews, unimaginable and disgusting.

A civilization of kings and slaves, without the imagination and continuity of whites, would be hell on earth. The jews do worship Satan and want to emulate his depravity.

I'm quite sure y'all can come up with some better visions.
 
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Well, they're doing an awful shitty job of things, then. This Vermont and New Hampshire you hate are still 95% white. The South is 50% black. By your standards, that "proves" the South really likes niggers. Remember:
Not really.

1.) If memory serves, 90% of Southerners in Congress voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but 80% to 90% of Northerners and Westerners voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that's why it passed.

2.) If you check the Congressional Record, you will find that the South also voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the Civil Rights Act of 1960, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968.

3.) Why do we have all of those federal civil rights laws in the South? Quite simply, it is because Northerners overwhelmingly voted to pass the civil rights legislation, and since White Southerners are a minority in Congress, the Civil Rights Movement was a success rather than a failure.

4.) White Southerners voted against Ted Kennedy's Immigration Act of 1965. That also passed Congress because Northerners overwhelmingly voted for it because "America is a Nation of Immigrants."

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1) South didn't have to buy nigs in the first place
2) South could have killed the few million nigs when it became clear the cause was indeed lost
3) the South knew the North was run by a STRAIN of vindictive, CHRISTIAN do-gooding moralizers
1.) The vast majority of the slaves in the United States were brought here from 1670 to 1790 by British and Yankee slave traders.

2.) The South didn't have a problem with blacks until the Northeast felt compelled to reward them with American citizenship and voting rights after arming 200,000 of them to destroy the Confederacy.

3.) The vindictive, Christian, Yankee do-gooding moralizers triumphed in the North in the 1820s and 1830s during the Second Great Awakening. The Union was created in 1789.

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The South's entire resistance is: the North (or that small subset of the north which nevertheless dominates it) SHOULD stop being moralizing, do-gooding, South-hating bastards. Yet the north keeps on not changing. So the South keeps suffering. There has to be a better way.
Oh, I agree.

I think it would be ludicrous to create a "White ethnostate" with the Northeast considering how successfully they undermined and destroyed the previous "White Republic."

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The better way is not expecting "the North" to change, but to recognize the north is no monolith, and that there are, in absolute numbers, more northern men who feel the way most Southerners do about the basic stuff, including race, and finding some way to work with them to create a combination that can overthrow the Yankee strain - which is in any case less powerful than the jews, by far, at this point.
In a best case scenario, the North would retreat from its present day negrophilia, as was the case from about 1896 until 1933 when Reconstruction was overthrown and the Supreme Court gave its consent to the emerging Jim Crow system in the Plessy decision.

Who is to say that Yankee negrophilia wouldn't flare back up again in another revival? Because that is exactly what happened after the Second World War and that is exactly why we are all living under President Barack Obama.

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Voting is only one aspect of life, there are many others. People in the NE are famous for not liking anybody, let alone niggers. It's a stereotype for a reason. They don't have any sway anyway, they're tiny states with no electoral clout.
The gallery should keep in mind that these Northeastern states made a point to denounce the Dred Scot decision which said that blacks could never be American citizens, nullified the Fugitive Slave Act so that fugitive slaves could stay in the Northeast, and then voluntarily imposed black citizenship and integration on themselves as far back as the 1860s.

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Name me an NHer or Vermonter who owns a major paper or tv outlet. There aren't any. The country is run out of NYC and Washington, by money and media magnates, and that means jews.
Jews and Yankees.

They see eye to eye on all the most important racial and cultural issues. The reigning mythology on WN internet forum is that Yankees and Jews are somehow opposed to each other, but in the real world they are best friends and political allies and line up on the same side against the South in every national election.

Yankees like John Dewey and William Lloyd Garrison, Jr. were co-founders of the NAACP with W.E.B. DuBois and its more well known Jewish supporters.

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The christian do-gooder mentality you resent has been institutionalized in our public schools, and that's why the home-schooling movement is truly radical and revolutionary.
The public school system in America was the brainchild of the Yankee philosopher John Dewey who was famous for denouncing racism and supporting the nascent Civil Rights Movement.

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And that's where, if anywhere, the christians would deserve some praise. But they aren't escapign the schools for racial reasons, they don't have problems with diversity generally, they have problems with the moral loosening public schools promote. I don't know of any studies that say home-schooling is stronger in South than North.
Isn't that a point in their favor?

Unlike the Christians, the liberals and the atheists don't have any problem with diversity or with cultural degeneracy. They are supportive of both!

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Eric Cantor? Mike Huckabee? The South is only not voting for jews because they aren't running - yet. It is perfectly willing to work for the most ardent jew ass-kissers like Lindsey Graham and John McCain and Mitt Romney.
Eric Cantor is one of the few Jews in the South in the House of Representatives. I also believe he was the only Jew that voted against the DREAM Act in 2010.

Every Jew in the U.S. Senate is from the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West. The overwhelming majority of Jews in the House are also from the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West.

The Northeast doesn't just kiss Jewish ass. In states like New York and Connecticut and New Jersey, they actually elect Jews to serve as their representatives in Congress.

If the South seceded from the United States, the overwhelming majority of the Jews in America would be left behind in the Union, and those that are here would pack their bags in move to the Northeast because of their fear of Southern Christians.


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The South is more resistant? How do you figure. Here, you merely show you haven't traveled the country. If your standard is moral behavior, the NE is better than the South, believe it or not. You have not yet risen to the level where you take your opponent seriously; in that you are quintessentially Southern.
Yes, we can see that gay marriage has triumphed in almost all of the Northeastern states now. Whenever Yankees live, gay marriage seems to catching on, and wherever they don't live it still isn't popular.

Funny how it always breaks down like that.

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These are serious people you are up against, they are not ass-clowns.

To take the top example, they don't whine about Yankees and then join the military. As your two top Southern posters do (Stonelifter and Apuleius).
Apuleius is not in the military. I believe that Stonelifter is some kind of government contractor.

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Golden Dawn's practices are taken from Germans, and even now they are being exported to other European countries. All the ideological wisdom GD cites is drawn from Greeks or Germans, almost exclusively, and never from christ kooks.
Golden Dawn is a typical European ethnonationalist party. The same is true of the "Far Right" in Europe in general. They are all ethnonationalists, not White Nationalists.

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We face a global, racial problem, not an ethnic problem.
No, the reason we have a racial problem in America is because we have an ethnic and cultural problem. It is because Yankees have always sided with blacks against Southern Whites.

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Whatever was true before 1900, the jews have been in the driver's seat for well over 100 yeasr. They are who we must deal with, and the South is but one small part of their overriding scheme to genocide white men. You don't have to deal with that, of course, but all it means is limiting the talent pool
The Jews and Yankees are both in the driver's seat. They are the senior partners in the Democratic Party. They are allies, not enemies. It is only on the internet where the tiny minority of Northern WNs insist that Yankees and Jews are not on the same side.

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Context: how many non-whites were in Penn. at that time?
Quite a few.

Philadelphia had one of the largest free black populations in the North. The Quakers succeeded in repealing Pennsylvania's anti-miscegenation law. Even Benjamin Franklin was convinced that blacks were his equals.

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But discover it they did. One could as well say the Mormons didn't discover it until the late 70s. And, their cult produces the highest white birth rate in the world, even still. And they're as pure a "burned-over district" phenomenon as it gets.
Yeah, it would be silly though to pin the racial decline of America on the Mormons or the Southern Baptists. They only fell into line when the rest of the mainstream AFTER the Civil Rights Movement had triumphed in the 1960s. They did not lead the charge for it.

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They were dominated by jews even back then. Stoddard or more like Grant was complaining about jewish control of the newspapers before 1920.
Columbia, yes.

That was Franz Boas's base of operations. Harvard, Princeton, Yale and the rest of the Ivy League wouldn't become dominated by Jews until after the Second World War when "meritocracy" was adopted after Hitler discredited anti-Semitism.

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Everything the jews did here was done in Germany in the second half of the 1800s, and was already thought about and written about at length by what came to be called 'anti-semites.'
I agree.

By the 1920s, Jews had a stranglehold on Germany. I have seen the statistics somewhere. They dominated the professions and the economy. Even Hitler didn't challenge them head on until well after he was in power. Kristallnacht was in 1938.

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Half the major WASP NE fanatics were over in Germany getting Ph.Ds and picking up crank ideas, so it's not like jews were without influence even when their numbers were few.
This is covered in greater detail here:


The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America: Eric P. Kaufmann: 9780674013032: Amazon.com: Books The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America: Eric P. Kaufmann: 9780674013032: Amazon.com: Books
 
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Nobody, and I mean nobody in the North cares about the Civil War. They simply never think about it.
That's understandable.

We think about it all the time here. The result of that war and especially the aftermath of that war - when Yankees put much of the South under black majority rule for nearly a decade - left a vivid impression on the South and its infamy shaped attitudes toward the North here for generations.

That experience was not something that was easily forgotten.
 
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In this review, I will show where Kaufmann goes wrong — mainly by committing sins of omission in ignoring the Jewish role in the decline of Anglo-America. But it must be said that he provides a fascinating historical overview of the decline of Whites in the US. As he notes, it was not very long ago that America strongly asserted that it was a nation of Northwestern Europeans and intended to stay that way. The 1924 Johnson-Reed Act was carefully designed to preserve the ethnic status quo as of 1890, thereby ensuring the dominance of Anglo-Americans. In 1952, the McCarran-Walter Act reiterated the bias toward Northwestern Europe and was passed over President Truman’s veto.

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Eric P. Kaufmann’s The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America presents the case that Anglo-America committed what one might call “suicide by idea”: White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants were motivated to give up ethnic hegemony by their attachment to Enlightenment ideals of individualism and liberty. Anglo-Americans simply followed these ideals of the Enlightenment to their logical conclusion, with the result that immigration was opened up to all peoples of the world, multiculturalism became the cultural ideal, and Whites willingly allowed themselves to be displaced from their preeminent position among the elites of business, media, politics, and the academic world.

Kaufmann explicitly rejects the proposal that the decline of Anglo-America occurred as a result of some external force. His view is therefore an important contrast to my view that the rise of Jews to elite status in the United States and particular Jewish intellectual and political movements (e.g., the movement to open immigration to all the peoples of the world) were critically necessary (not sufficient) conditions for the collapse of White America. My view is that the outcome was the result of ethnic conflict over the construction of culture. Indeed, the fall of Anglo-Saxon America is a textbook case of how deadly the conflict over the construction of culture can be.

In this review, I will show where Kaufmann goes wrong — mainly by committing sins of omission in ignoring the Jewish role in the decline of Anglo-America. But it must be said that he provides a fascinating historical overview of the decline of Whites in the US. As he notes, it was not very long ago that America strongly asserted that it was a nation of Northwestern Europeans and intended to stay that way. The 1924 Johnson-Reed Act was carefully designed to preserve the ethnic status quo as of 1890, thereby ensuring the dominance of Anglo-Americans. In 1952, the McCarran-Walter Act reiterated the bias toward Northwestern Europe and was passed over President Truman’s veto.

But only a decade later, in the 1960s, White America began the process of ethnic and cultural suicide:

By the 1960s, as if by magic, the centuries-old machinery of WASP America began to stall like the spacecraft of Martian invaders in the contemporary hit film, War of the Worlds. In 1960, the first non-Protestant president was elected. In 1965, the national origins quota regime for immigration was replaced by a “color-blind” system. Meanwhile, Anglo-Protestants faded from the class photos of the economic, political, and cultural elite — their numbers declining rapidly, year upon year, in the universities, boardrooms, cabinets, courts, and legislatures. At the mass level, the cords holding Anglo-Protestant Americans together began to unwind as secular associations and mainline churches lost millions of members while the first truly national, non-WASP cultural icons appeared. (pp. 2–3)

While it is certainly true that other ethnic groups have gone into historical decline or have been replaced by force, the decline of Anglo-America seems mysterious. There are no conquering armies that would easily explain their impending exit from the stage of history.

But despite its obvious importance as an historical phenomenon, as Kaufmann notes, there has been almost no academic attention to the causes of this very precipitous decline. Perhaps some things are better left unsaid, at least until the losers of this revolution are safely relegated to a powerless position.

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Old November 18th, 2012 #94
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Kaufmann doesn't ignore the Jewish role in that book. He discusses the Jewish role and the Yankee role and their symbiosis. Even KMac acknowledges this in his review. It's a very good book. Check it out.
 
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I'm here in Oregon, but this is a photo of me in Virginia in 2008 at the Marr Monument.

As I hope the image suggests no lack of respect for my Southern ancestors, but I also know they would respect my need to move on with the passage of time, just like they had done after Culloden.

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Eric P. Kaufmann’s The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America presents the case that Anglo-America committed what one might call “suicide by idea”: White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants were motivated to give up ethnic hegemony by their attachment to Enlightenment ideals of individualism and liberty.
Looks like an interesting book but at $54 for a used amazon copy I doubt I'll be reading this one.
 
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That's a good picture, Jimmy.

In the Pacific Northwest, your problem is squarely the Whites who live in Portland-Eugene and Seattle. The area to the east of the Cascades and south of Eugene and north of San Francisco is your only shot at creating a Northwest Republic.
 
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As I hope the image suggests no lack of respect for my Southern ancestors, but I also know they would respect my need to move on with the passage of time, just like they had done after Culloden.

Gate, Gate, Paragate, Para Sam gate Bodhi svaha

Epic beard!!!
 
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You remind me, Jethro, of one of those cartoon characters who climbs out on a tree limb and begins energetically sawing it off between himself and the trunk.

You promote Southern identity, while advocating secession.

How will you be Southern when you're not American?

Wouldn't it make more sense to release your sense of American identity in order make room for what you really are?

White.
 
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Dixie can afford to cede the three Beltway counties in NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William), the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, and South Florida. Kentucky, West Virginia, South Missouri, and Oklahoma will follow the rest of the South out of the Union this time.
 
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