NSPUK stickers and PO boxes

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Democratic Peoples Party


What happened to that party in Limerick andy?

[James Hawthorne]

This thread and topic is as mad as "Andy's" tea party.

[Richardson]

This is my first post here and I speak from certain knowledge. I was the Lancaster and Morecambe contact for the NSPUK in the late 1980s and into the 1990s. My friend Roger and I actually ran a small group called the NSAG, National Socialist Action Group. Other members were Billy and Tara, his girlfriend. Our activities included attending B+H events, similar musical shindigs, stickering, postering and graffiti-ing of NS slogans wherever possible.

The sticker issue is interesting because we were in reasonably close contact with the Irish HQ whose address was, as I recall 69 Eugene St, Dublin 8. On one occasion in 1988 myself and my then girlfriend, Stacey, a Brummie, visited Dublin on some cheap ferry crossing deal and, for personal interest, took a brief detour to the address in question. The premises were just outside the city centre, around a mile and a half's walk. It was a typical nondescript terrace type building and when we knocked on the door we were told that the NSPUK used this place as an accomodation address. I'll never forget what the man in the house told us: "A woman on a bike collects the mail every few days."

Dunno why that's stuck with me but there we go.

The stickers were highly illegal even then. The one in question, debated here, was seen all over the place. I used to follow Chelsea FC and some of the headhunter lads carried them around, as did Wolves fans and some from Aston Villa. The most popular sticker was kind of home made and read "We Are Back" featuring a swastika and the Eugene St address.

All the stickers were self adhesive and produced in an off-dark red colour. Sometimes they were a bit skew wif and had been badly printed. We used to get them in 50s and 100s. The thing that concerned us most was the length of time it took for mail to arrive from Ireland to the extent that we made our own stickers. Eventually, things improved and when I opened a PO Box, PO Box 32, Lancaster, the NSPUK produced stickers for me with the PO Box address on! To explain, in the late 1980s I was a short-lived NF contact. (Some of this should be checkable if anyone has a collection of old NF publications.)

I want to stress that at no time were we in contact with anyone from London nor did we receive any evidence of a group in Liverpool still operating. At that time 99% of activists were in the NF, BNP or circulated around the Blood and Honour scene. The November 9th group were seen around too and for a time they were quite active. There was an NS group in Manchester that sometimes visited Germany as I recall and one of the NSPUK contacts was the Gordon Gee (RIP).

I've been meaning to post on VNN for a while. I'm not in the North anymore but that's not the point. What IS the point is that people are posting utter rubbish on here in the hope, perhaps, that those of us who were there, and who know, won't bother to say anything.

Other things that might be of relevance are the irregular production of a tatty home-made letraset magazine called The Phoenix. The magazine was rubbish. It seemed to us that the NSPUK's main job was to funnel illegal NS magazines from the USA to England, which they did reasonably well and we were told that the group sometimes assisted in the removal of several thousands of copies of Gerhard Lauck's The New Order newspaper into Europe as Ireland was seen as a sort of back door into the mainland, despite the terrorist groups operating cross border back then.

The leadership structure of the NSPUK was most odd. We never met them despite our best efforts to try. We offered to put them up, discreetly, should they visit as they frequently threatened to do.

We DID meet people who had met this Irish group but we were told that the founder, Terence Bryne, had died some years ago after being active in the 1970s. Whether this is true I can't say. I met a group of lads from Coventry in the late 1980s, maybe 1988-89 and a Northern Irish/loyalist member of the group HAD met the NSPUK in Ireland but had NOT met Bryne. He told us the same story. The rumour was that the NSPUK was run by a group of four people in Ireland; three men, one woman.

If anyone else wants to know anything else please ask. It might jog the old memory.

Mark.

[Richardson]

In response to my own first post on this vexed subject there is another seriously important issue here that people have, perhaps, missed. "Commander Byrne" of NSPUK fame would have to be VERY old to still be alive. He is mentioned, is he not, in several of George Lincoln Rockwell's publications of the 1960s. I am surprised people here hadn't made that connection. Several of these publications are knocking around on the internet, or were. One was on the Zogsnightmare.com website run by Jim Ramm. Byrne, it is said, was the original founder of the Irish group.

And Byrne's name was "T A Byrne", so, we knew him as, allegedly, Terence A Byrne, and he was an active National Socialist in the public frame as early as 1967 the year that Rockwell was assassinated.

Does this add anything to the thread?

It is also the case that the mail we received was posted in Ireland every time, never London or Liverpool. Occasionally, a packet of material would have been clearly opened by customs and we were aware of the possibility that the mail was intercepted. Indeed, we expected as much. All in all, the NSPUK was a very unusual operation and that's why, in the end, we opted to go with the NF in the late 1980s.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Richardson

This is my first post here and I speak from certain knowledge. I was the Lancaster and Morecambe contact for the NSPUK in the late 1980s and into the 1990s. My friend Roger and I actually ran a small group called the NSAG, National Socialist Action Group. Other members were Billy and Tara, his girlfriend. Our activities included attending B+H events, similar musical shindigs, stickering, postering and graffiti-ing of NS slogans wherever possible.

The sticker issue is interesting because we were in reasonably close contact with the Irish HQ whose address was, as I recall 69 Eugene St, Dublin 8. On one occasion in 1988 myself and my then girlfriend, Stacey, a Brummie, visited Dublin on some cheap ferry crossing deal and, for personal interest, took a brief detour to the address in question. The premises were just outside the city centre, around a mile and a half's walk. It was a typical nondescript terrace type building and when we knocked on the door we were told that the NSPUK used this place as an accomodation address. I'll never forget what the man in the house told us: "A woman on a bike collects the mail every few days."

Dunno why that's stuck with me but there we go.

The stickers were highly illegal even then. The one in question, debated here, was seen all over the place. I used to follow Chelsea FC and some of the headhunter lads carried them around, as did Wolves fans and some from Aston Villa. The most popular sticker was kind of home made and read "We Are Back" featuring a swastika and the Eugene St address.

All the stickers were self adhesive and produced in an off-dark red colour. Sometimes they were a bit skew wif and had been badly printed. We used to get them in 50s and 100s. The thing that concerned us most was the length of time it took for mail to arrive from Ireland to the extent that we made our own stickers. Eventually, things improved and when I opened a PO Box, PO Box 32, Lancaster, the NSPUK produced stickers for me with the PO Box address on! To explain, in the late 1980s I was a short-lived NF contact. (Some of this should be checkable if anyone has a collection of old NF publications.)

I want to stress that at no time were we in contact with anyone from London nor did we receive any evidence of a group in Liverpool still operating. At that time 99% of activists were in the NF, BNP or circulated around the Blood and Honour scene. The November 9th group were seen around too and for a time they were quite active. There was an NS group in Manchester that sometimes visited Germany as I recall and one of the NSPUK contacts was the Gordon Gee (RIP).

I've been meaning to post on VNN for a while. I'm not in the North anymore but that's not the point. What IS the point is that people are posting utter rubbish on here in the hope, perhaps, that those of us who were there, and who know, won't bother to say anything.

Other things that might be of relevance are the irregular production of a tatty home-made letraset magazine called The Phoenix. The magazine was rubbish. It seemed to us that the NSPUK's main job was to funnel illegal NS magazines from the USA to England, which they did reasonably well and we were told that the group sometimes assisted in the removal of several thousands of copies of Gerhard Lauck's The New Order newspaper into Europe as Ireland was seen as a sort of back door into the mainland, despite the terrorist groups operating cross border back then.

The leadership structure of the NSPUK was most odd. We never met them despite our best efforts to try. We offered to put them up, discreetly, should they visit as they frequently threatened to do.

We DID meet people who had met this Irish group but we were told that the founder, Terence Bryne, had died some years ago after being active in the 1970s. Whether this is true I can't say. I met a group of lads from Coventry in the late 1980s, maybe 1988-89 and a Northern Irish/loyalist member of the group HAD met the NSPUK in Ireland but had NOT met Bryne. He told us the same story. The rumour was that the NSPUK was run by a group of four people in Ireland; three men, one woman.

If anyone else wants to know anything else please ask. It might jog the old memory.

Mark.

Welcome to VNN and I'm sorry if you think you have been ignored - I can't approve posts and yours have only just shown up.

I can't comment on anything you have said but I just wanted to add that I had also heard that "Commander Byrne" had died.

Can we take it from your opening a PO box that they did send stickers to PO boxes, or are you just saying that they made stickers with your PO box number on?

[andy]

Originally Posted by Richardson

In response to my own first post on this vexed subject there is another seriously important issue here that people have, perhaps, missed. "Commander Byrne" of NSPUK fame would have to be VERY old to still be alive. He is mentioned, is he not, in several of George Lincoln Rockwell's publications of the 1960s. I am surprised people here hadn't made that connection. Several of these publications are knocking around on the internet, or were. One was on the Zogsnightmare.com website run by Jim Ramm. Byrne, it is said, was the original founder of the Irish group.

And Byrne's name was "T A Byrne", so, we knew him as, allegedly, Terence A Byrne, and he was an active National Socialist in the public frame as early as 1967 the year that Rockwell was assassinated.

Does this add anything to the thread?

It is also the case that the mail we received was posted in Ireland every time, never London or Liverpool. Occasionally, a packet of material would have been clearly opened by customs and we were aware of the possibility that the mail was intercepted. Indeed, we expected as much. All in all, the NSPUK was a very unusual operation and that's why, in the end, we opted to go with the NF in the late 1980s.

No it does but it does'nt I pointed out that the name was not correct and that Terry Allan - Byrne (The hyphen was very important to him and so should be to us ) would be in his 80's well he would be if he had not died in 1986. antifaowens has persisted probably because the Irish police are also of the same opinion in this regard.Which is self evidently lunacy if one considers that allan-byrne attended wuns which he did.

This post and your other post looks like the same nonesense the Barker man posted on nwn.Barker urban myth was straight out of 1980's special branches position of truth and incorrect.Oddly enough he knew someone who got a saver return to Dublin so as to gaze on a postal address.
No stickers were mailed directly from the Dublin address to a PO Box. I don't give a fuck what you say.
How anyone can go from being a national socialist to the NF is something only a Psychiatrist can explain.
The woman who runs WAU could probably tell a true patriot the details from the Dublin end.She is a much better authority on such things than Barker the Bnp reject

[andy]

Originally Posted by Richardson

This is my first post here and I speak from certain knowledge. I was the Lancaster and Morecambe contact for the NSPUK in the late 1980s and into the 1990s. My friend Roger and I actually ran a small group called the NSAG, National Socialist Action Group. Other members were Billy and Tara, his girlfriend. Our activities included attending B+H events, similar musical shindigs, stickering, postering and graffiti-ing of NS slogans wherever possible.

The sticker issue is interesting because we were in reasonably close contact with the Irish HQ whose address was, as I recall 69 Eugene St, Dublin 8. On one occasion in 1988 myself and my then girlfriend, Stacey, a Brummie, visited Dublin on some cheap ferry crossing deal and, for personal interest, took a brief detour to the address in question. The premises were just outside the city centre, around a mile and a half's walk. It was a typical nondescript terrace type building and when we knocked on the door we were told that the NSPUK used this place as an accomodation address. I'll never forget what the man in the house told us: "A woman on a bike collects the mail every few days."

Dunno why that's stuck with me but there we go.

The stickers were highly illegal even then. The one in question, debated here, was seen all over the place. I used to follow Chelsea FC and some of the headhunter lads carried them around, as did Wolves fans and some from Aston Villa. The most popular sticker was kind of home made and read "We Are Back" featuring a swastika and the Eugene St address.

All the stickers were self adhesive and produced in an off-dark red colour. Sometimes they were a bit skew wif and had been badly printed. We used to get them in 50s and 100s. The thing that concerned us most was the length of time it took for mail to arrive from Ireland to the extent that we made our own stickers. Eventually, things improved and when I opened a PO Box, PO Box 32, Lancaster, the NSPUK produced stickers for me with the PO Box address on! To explain, in the late 1980s I was a short-lived NF contact. (Some of this should be checkable if anyone has a collection of old NF publications.)

I want to stress that at no time were we in contact with anyone from London nor did we receive any evidence of a group in Liverpool still operating. At that time 99% of activists were in the NF, BNP or circulated around the Blood and Honour scene. The November 9th group were seen around too and for a time they were quite active. There was an NS group in Manchester that sometimes visited Germany as I recall and one of the NSPUK contacts was the Gordon Gee (RIP).

I've been meaning to post on VNN for a while. I'm not in the North anymore but that's not the point. What IS the point is that people are posting utter rubbish on here in the hope, perhaps, that those of us who were there, and who know, won't bother to say anything.

Other things that might be of relevance are the irregular production of a tatty home-made letraset magazine called The Phoenix. The magazine was rubbish. It seemed to us that the NSPUK's main job was to funnel illegal NS magazines from the USA to England, which they did reasonably well and we were told that the group sometimes assisted in the removal of several thousands of copies of Gerhard Lauck's The New Order newspaper into Europe as Ireland was seen as a sort of back door into the mainland, despite the terrorist groups operating cross border back then.

The leadership structure of the NSPUK was most odd. We never met them despite our best efforts to try. We offered to put them up, discreetly, should they visit as they frequently threatened to do.

We DID meet people who had met this Irish group but we were told that the founder, Terence Bryne, had died some years ago after being active in the 1970s. Whether this is true I can't say. I met a group of lads from Coventry in the late 1980s, maybe 1988-89 and a Northern Irish/loyalist member of the group HAD met the NSPUK in Ireland but had NOT met Bryne. He told us the same story. The rumour was that the NSPUK was run by a group of four people in Ireland; three men, one woman.

If anyone else wants to know anything else please ask. It might jog the old memory.

Mark.

You talk of "utter rubbish" care to explain why the customs,woman on a bike,terraced house all identical to barkers post on nwn are you barker ?
Not a single issue of Laucks New Order came to europe or the UK via Ireland there is a picture of the blighter who was the european distributor of New Order on lauckes website.A bit like the original sticker issue that antifaowens and his glee club have promoted it would not be an issue it the paper had come from that source if the lie did not implicate an agenda of a more sinister nature which in this case it does.

So are you or you not this barker blighter ? If you are not are you going to investigate this and ask him why he has posted your experience as his own ?

[Richardson]

No, my real name is Mark Richardson and I've never met this Barker chap and simply speak from personal experience.

The information I supplied was entirely as I recall in every detail and, in answer to Bev's question, yes to the best of my knowledge we did receive stickers at the PO Box address as did others involved in the movement at that time.

It is fascinating to discover that, within a few short posts, the paranoia leads to my being accused of being something of a spy, a mole or whatever. I am me, it's as simple as that and have no ulterior motive.

It is absolutely WRONG to claim that The New Order did not arrive in the UK. I knew many many activists, at the time, who had it sent by post from Ireland and I am both frustrated and annoyed that you would, without any evidence, claim conspiracy and it makes me really wonder who you are and what you're up to.

I recognise that paranoia is rife but you're wrong, plain and simple. As a matter of fact both Ian Sloan and Ken Usher of the late 1980s Liverpool BNP were avid New Order readers. Copies of this newspaper and similar material were always floating around the movement as were a variety of Klan publications. Those were different times.

I'm fascinated, given the various allegations that have flown between "Andy" and Joe Owens (whom we all know to be real!) that within a short period after some factual material appears written by someone who was there in the 1980s that lies should be thrown around.

[Richardson]

The more I read Andy's ranting and raving the more sinister I think he is. He is simply wrong on most counts.

He certainly doesn't behave like a National Socialist; his honour is hardly his loyalty. For his information, most NS types realised back in the 1980s that they needed to work inside either the NF or the BNP and most skinheads (which I was then, before I woke up and got some tactical nouse) supported the NF before around 1989-90 when, as some may recall, there was a definite move over to the BNP.

That aside, I suspect that Andy is trading on people's ignorance and this is very sad. True, the question of stickers and PO Boxes is small beer but when we have someone calling out everyone else and claiming they're lying or "Pete Barker" then we're into some interesting territory.

ALL the facts re the NSPUK are as I've stated without a shadow of a doubt. It is that simple. Whether or not people agree can only be based on personal knowledge and as far as I can see the only people actually active AT THAT TIME on here that I'd heard of are Joe Owens and possibly The Truth at Last who, I suspect, might be a tough short haired chap from South Yorkshire who wore a camo jacket back in the day and, if I'm right, had to watch JT's back on a few occasions between 1984-86.

[Joe Owens]

Here is the SNITCH who ran the NSIWP and NSPUK. This was a searchlight set up back in the 1970 - 80's, aimed at setting Nationalists up, with illegal "niggers eat shit" stickers.

[Joe Owens]

Originally Posted by andy

You talk of "utter rubbish" care to explain why the customs,woman on a bike,terraced house all identical to barkers post on nwn are you barker ?
Not a single issue of Laucks New Order came to europe or the UK via Ireland there is a picture of the blighter who was the european distributor of New Order on lauckes website.A bit like the original sticker issue that antifaowens and his glee club have promoted it would not be an issue it the paper had come from that source if the lie did not implicate an agenda of a more sinister nature which in this case it does.

So are you or you not this barker blighter ? If you are not are you going to investigate this and ask him why he has posted your experience as his own ?

New Order came straight to our P.O. Box. Just like the "niggers eat shit,"" stickers did.

[Joe Owens]

Originally Posted by Richardson

No, my real name is Mark Richardson and I've never met this Barker chap and simply speak from personal experience.

The information I supplied was entirely as I recall in every detail and, in answer to Bev's question, yes to the best of my knowledge we did receive stickers at the PO Box address as did others involved in the movement at that time.

It is fascinating to discover that, within a few short posts, the paranoia leads to my being accused of being something of a spy, a mole or whatever. I am me, it's as simple as that and have no ulterior motive.

It is absolutely WRONG to claim that The New Order did not arrive in the UK. I knew many many activists, at the time, who had it sent by post from Ireland and I am both frustrated and annoyed that you would, without any evidence, claim conspiracy and it makes me really wonder who you are and what you're up to.

I recognise that paranoia is rife but you're wrong, plain and simple. As a matter of fact both Ian Sloan and Ken Usher of the late 1980s Liverpool BNP were avid New Order readers. Copies of this newspaper and similar material were always floating around the movement as were a variety of Klan publications. Those were different times.

I'm fascinated, given the various allegations that have flown between "Andy" and Joe Owens (whom we all know to be real!) that within a short period after some factual material appears written by someone who was there in the 1980s that lies should be thrown around.

Yes, Klan, New Order, NSPUK, White Power (Matt Koehl) and Church of the Creator was always floating about back in the 1980's.

[Bev]

Originally Posted by Richardson

The information I supplied was entirely as I recall in every detail and, in answer to Bev's question, yes to the best of my knowledge we did receive stickers at the PO Box address as did others involved in the movement at that time.

Thank you very much for your answer.

[X.I.]

Originally Posted by Richardson

The more I read Andy's ranting and raving the more sinister I think he is. He is simply wrong on most counts.

He certainly doesn't behave like a National Socialist; his honour is hardly his loyalty. For his information, most NS types realised back in the 1980s that they needed to work inside either the NF or the BNP and most skinheads (which I was then, before I woke up and got some tactical nouse) supported the NF before around 1989-90 when, as some may recall, there was a definite move over to the BNP.

That aside, I suspect that Andy is trading on people's ignorance and this is very sad. True, the question of stickers and PO Boxes is small beer but when we have someone calling out everyone else and claiming they're lying or "Pete Barker" then we're into some interesting territory.

ALL the facts re the NSPUK are as I've stated without a shadow of a doubt. It is that simple. Whether or not people agree can only be based on personal knowledge and as far as I can see the only people actually active AT THAT TIME on here that I'd heard of are Joe Owens and possibly The Truth at Last who, I suspect, might be a tough short haired chap from South Yorkshire who wore a camo jacket back in the day and, if I'm right, had to watch JT's back on a few occasions between 1984-86.

Whoa - now you will be called a blighter for daring to offer any sensible contribution which contradicts andy's recent ramblings. Everyone knows he was involved with those stickers, everyone knows they went to PO boxes, everyone knows that everything you've said is fact but he'll still deny it all - it's quite amusing really

It is obvious you're not Barker too, as your spelling and grammar is far better than his. Plus I am sure your ip will indicate you're not where he is.

[X.I.]

Originally Posted by Richardson

The Truth at Last who, I suspect, might be a tough short haired chap from South Yorkshire who wore a camo jacket back in the day.

He's a pussy cat nowadays

[Richardson]

Happily the quality of propaganda has immeasurably improved since the bad old days but the paranoid delinquency hasn't if this Andy chap is anything to go by. We can only hope that things improve as time goes by..........

[andy]

Originally Posted by Richardson

The more I read Andy's ranting and raving the more sinister I think he is. He is simply wrong on most counts.

He certainly doesn't behave like a National Socialist; his honour is hardly his loyalty. For his information, most NS types realised back in the 1980s that they needed to work inside either the NF or the BNP and most skinheads (which I was then, before I woke up and got some tactical nouse) supported the NF before around 1989-90 when, as some may recall, there was a definite move over to the BNP.

That aside, I suspect that Andy is trading on people's ignorance and this is very sad. True, the question of stickers and PO Boxes is small beer but when we have someone calling out everyone else and claiming they're lying or "Pete Barker" then we're into some interesting territory.

ALL the facts re the NSPUK are as I've stated without a shadow of a doubt. It is that simple. Whether or not people agree can only be based on personal knowledge and as far as I can see the only people actually active AT THAT TIME on here that I'd heard of are Joe Owens and possibly The Truth at Last who, I suspect, might be a tough short haired chap from South Yorkshire who wore a camo jacket back in the day and, if I'm right, had to watch JT's back on a few occasions between 1984-86.

So are you or are you not Barker ?
If not why did he post the exact same version down to the cheap day return trip ? This is not for debate it is public record in so far as NWN is public record.XL's other half posted in the same tread as sigrun.Now you tell me ? How or why is this blighter Barker posting your recollections before you and in the first person ?

[andy]

Originally Posted by Richardson

It is absolutely WRONG to claim that The New Order did not arrive in the UK. I knew many many activists, at the time, who had it sent by post from Ireland and I am both frustrated and annoyed that you would, without any evidence, claim conspiracy and it makes me really wonder who you are and what you're up to.
.

I did not claim it was not available in the UK you said that the primary role of the nsiwp was not to import them.I pointed out that a picture of the importer and the exclusive european rights holder for Lauck (New Order newspaper).As you are all either thick,or too stupid to look it up.It is Michael McLoughlin aka Michael Walsh. then leader of the BM.Copies were purchased from the BM and mailed to the NSIWP/NSPUK from the UK.
So that is your other main point sorted.

[James Hawthorne]

Single copies of The New Order were available from the BM so long as you were a member of it's book club. However it was directly imported from the USA to the UK by individuals to 'sell on'.

To say the NSIWP/NSPUK was a 'honey trap' flies in the face of the facts. I know of nobody who was arrested and CONVICTED for importing literature that broke the race laws at that time. If it was quite a lot of people would of been caught and it WOULD of made the front pages of rags like The News of the World.

[andy]

Originally Posted by andy

So are you or are you not Barker ?
If not why did he post the exact same version down to the cheap day return trip ? This is not for debate it is public record in so far as NWN is public record.XL's other half posted in the same tread as sigrun.Now you tell me ? How or why is this blighter Barker posting your recollections before you and in the first person ?

I have just searched through that cess pit and only half of the original post remains.That in itself speaks volumes,if anyone took a screenshot I would be obliged though why someone would take a screen shot if beyond me.I am particularly intrigued by the cheap day trip to Dublin aspect as prior to the demise of the NSIWP (95) there were no cheap day trips.No Ryan Air deals he was still trying to convince us provincial France was Paris in those days.Passenger ferries from Holyhead were expensive unless four of you went in a car and shared the cost.I certainly never came across any cheap trips in those days to Ireland.Different now of course I managed a round trip for £2 there and 12 euros back last year.