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We never met but Williams did and worked with him. Again, that is why I told you to ask them. Or Heidi B. All of them have worked and spoken with the SPLC, not I. Quote:
No. He was more of a atheist racialist Creator, like yourself, and like Will Williams. Dr. Pierce didn't think much of Creators or CI's for that matter. Quote:
He is a traitor now because he gave private NA information to the SPLC. But, then again, so did Williams via RD and SF and even directly by e-mail. Quote:
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You do have a reading comprehension issue. I said to ask him about who or whom are within the NA. He and Williams and now even Heidi B. of the SPLC know. I don't and wouldn't tell you even if I did because I don't divulge private information of NA members past or present. Those are the real "a-holes" that have done so. Quote:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=142915&page=7 Post number 136. Quote:
Here: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=142915&page=7 Post number 136 Ask the original Moderators of WB, if there are any left, to confirm what I have said about Williams is true. Even Fred Streed knows this and as does Kevin Strom. Whether or not they actually tell you the whole truth of it is another matter. Quote:
It was a question. Not a statement. Again, you do have a "reading comprehension problem", Emily. Quote:
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I do care. That could be anyone of us as well. Quote:
So you can do a lot of photocopying with that Paralegal Degree. Do you have a master's or doctorate in psychology? Maybe you could help Kevin Strom's family with those ABA/AVA techniques? Never had an IQ test. I do have a BBA degree and I graduated with honor. I have traveled to over 52 nations around the world in twenty-four months. I agree that public school has become a joke in the USA and even degrees are over-rated except for in the hard sciences. I will address the latter part of your post in another one of mine later. Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 25th, 2016 at 11:44 AM. |
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Exactly it, as there is macro and micro, and all nest in logos echos. See: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2...postcount=2937 Not just what is observable, which is only about 10%. 90% isn't observable but it is still all a Whole Cosmos. Quote:
The Cosmos actually is very well ordered and getting ever more so. If that is why you are an atheist, then you are just simply mistaken. No, Emily. Hawking "proved" no such thing as there being any "Multi-verse". It is pure speculation only. There already is a true Creator that is 100% likely: The Cosmos as a Unified Whole is THE CREATOR. The Singularity is GOD. IT just has not evolved into a Personal GOD, yet. That is OUR JOB to co-evolve towards that GOAL. That is what Cosmic Evolution has demonstrated. See: https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchais...cs/splash.html Quote:
Neither am I. I am a true Cosmotheist as was the late Dr. William Luther Pierce. Quote:
Atheism is as wrong as is any fundamentalist Christianity. Both are based only upon Blind Faith and not any rational one. Atheism is never any true religion and can be only negating. Making a religion out of a Race is no better than Judaism really is in spirit as well as in fact. Quote:
Again, you have gotten it all wrong. All came from the singularity and chaos became ordered over time. From simple to complex. From the laws of nature inherent to Cosmos. Quote:
Repeating lies and hypocrisy does not make them true, ever, Emily, no matter how long and how often you do it. Quote:
Your own posts prove that you just are not very "bright", Emily. Sorry. Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 26th, 2016 at 02:20 PM. |
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"My "way", was to make "Fundamentalist Christians that are opposed to both National Alliance ideology and to the theology of Cosmotheism ineligible for National Alliance membership" and NOT nominal or in name only or any cultural "Christians" that do identify with the specifically and with the White-only able and created aspects associated with "Christianity" such as: art, music, cathedrals, etc. but are NOT COMMITTED to the ideology and the worldview of: Any alien Semitic "Christianity". Only those specific kinds of "Christians" were originally welcome to join the National Alliance under Dr. Pierce. That's a very big difference to what you had falsely claimed that I had said." ---Paul Vogel See: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=136 As I told you before, I would not give you any names of NA members that are Christians or not. Giving out that kind of private information on public forums is what "a-holes" like Williams and Dilloway and Heidi B. of the SPLC all do and have done. See: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2...postcount=2795 Those are the ones responsible for all of the "security leaks" of the "New NA" under Williams. Quote:
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You were just either too lazy or too afraid to ask Williams or to ask any other WB Moderators to find out the whole truth and the proof and this fact for your own self. Duh. It is here: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t11...3#post12856689 ...... ============================================== Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Vogel View Post ...He has my number as well, Michael. The ball is in his court. Williams wrote: "The ball is in my court, Mr. "Vogel," and you will remain on the sidelines, out of the game. You resigned from the Alliance; I won't be calling your number. I prefer building our Alliance with a solid team player like Michael who is never insubordinate, always cooperative, never a problem. You have become an off-topic gadfly here in this thread. Why not go back over to VNN and repeat your line there that, "under Williams, the NA is now a Christian organization"? It's from you, Cosmo, that NARRG came up with the lie that NA does not accept Christians as members, only Cosmotheists." And it was from NARRG that Don Black repeated the nonsense that "NA doesn't accept Christian members, only Cosmotheists." Mr. Black now understands that that statement by you and NARRG is false because as Alliance Chairman I assured him it is false. Now, because you didn't get your way -- trying your best to make Christians ineligible for NA membership -- you say NA is a Christian organization." __________________ We need ethics; we need values and standards; we need a world view. And if one wants to call all of these things together a religion, then we need a religion. One might choose instead, however, to call them a philosophy of life. Whatever we call it, it must come from our own race soul: it must be an expression of the innate Aryan nature. And it must be conducive to our mission of racial progress. -Dr. William Pierce, in NATIONAL ALLIANCE MEMBERSHIP HANDBOOK www.natall.com ============================================================= Here was my "censored" response at SF that I posted "uncensored" at VNNF: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=136 Read it and weep, Emily. Also, Williams lied again when he said that CI NARRG got that idea from me. Here is the actual article CI NARRG wrote and exactly where they got it from: Williams himself! See: http://www.narrg.com/2014/11/the-hyp...will-williams/ "The Hypocritical Religious Bigotry of Will Williams? November 14, 2014 An investigative research project by NARRG Team Members and Supporters PART 1: Will Williams recent Posted Internet Claims on Cosmotheism from post 2012 till present Both Will Williams and Kevin Strom lately seem to be bent on a path of religious tyranny in apparently insisting that the National Alliance (NA) and all of its members be exclusively of the Cosmotheist religious faith and/or putting in place a NA membership requirement of having a personal philosophical worldview of Cosmotheism. It should be noted that any websites by the two promoting this concept came into existence after 2012, yet both left the National Alliance a decade ago. Thus, there is a discontinuity, a gap in time of over 7 to 9 years between when they left the NA and when they became web based activists of this religious philosophical worldview. What, if any, did they do during this time frame in actively promoting Cosmotheism? Granted that Dr. Pierce early on in his transformation from being a conservative to a white nationalist wrote the basis for Cosmotheism, yet according to several published sources, most if not all of Dr. Pierce’s writings on this subject ceased by the 1980s, if not earlier. Flash forward to today’ times, Will Williams is quoted on November 8, 2014 in his copartner Kevin Strom’s web blog with the following statement: “My new direction for our Alliance will look more like the old direction: the scrupulously honest Cosmotheist direction that attracted me and so many others to Dr. Pierce’s teachings and program… It is that foundation upon which we will continue to build as long as I’m Chairman. Do not look to me to compromise on Dr. Pierce’s perfectly sound Cosmotheist world view, his philosophy — his religion, if you will.” Thus has Mr. Williams lately become a bigoted religious zealot, an evangelist so to speak for his and Mr. Strom’s variety of personal religious faith? Does he now want to rigidly proselytize his own personal views on religion as an exclusive requirement for his “New Alliance” which he claims is no different than Dr. Pierce’s “Old Alliance” before Mr. Gliebe took over in 2002 after Dr. Pierce death? PART 2: Will Williams previous Sworn Legal Statements on Cosmotheism from 1992 to 2005 What was Williams view on Cosmothiesm before this recent public transformation into him being a self-proclaimed Disciple of the Cosmotheist persuasion? And more importantly what has Williams said previously before on what he saw was the relationship and role if any of Cosmotheism in Dr. Pierce’s National Alliance? Is what Williams now claims one and the same, or is it something different? To find answers to these questions let us look at what Mr. Williams said under oath in his notarized signed legal affidavit that he personally wrote for the 2005 lawsuit of Shaun Walker vs. Erich Gliebe. Let us discuss now some details of Williams’ legal affidavit. First note that his notarized affidavit is dated 4th day of May 2005 with his personal signature affixed along with the notary public’s signature and stamp. This legal affidavit states: “Williams W. Williams, being first sworn, says that the fact and allegations contained therein are true, except insofar as therein stated to be upon information and belief, and insofar as they are stated to be upon information and belief, he believes them to be true.” Next note that over a dozen pertinent statements about Cosmotheism’s relationship and role if any to the National Alliance are brought out in his legal affidavit including the following items in the order shown: 1. He states he was employed at the NA headquarters from Jan 1, 1992 to the end of Dec 1993. 2. Cosmotheism was not discussed on the property during those two years, though that was one thing that attracted me (Will Williams) to Dr. Pierce in the first place. 3. During my two year at the headquarters, we did not sell or ship any material with the Cosmotheist name on it or have any Cosmotheist material reprinted. 4. We never sold any of the three little booklets that Dr. Pierce wrote on Cosmotheism. They were out of stock before I started working there. 5. There were no books or printed materials that were explicitly Cosmotheist in the National Vanguard Books Catalog. 6. For a while at the Headquarters we had little get togethers up at Dr. Pierce’s house on Saturday nights to listen to our ADV shows. But there was no mention of Cosmotheism or the Cosmotheist religion. 7. Dr. Pierce started having a few staff meetings, but there was no mention of Cosmotheism at these either. 8. The Semiannual NA Leadership Conference at the headquarters starting in 1993. There were no religious ceremonies or discussion of Cosmotheist at any of those conferences that I attended (1993 to 2002?). 9. I never heard Dr. Pierce or any other high ranking official say that membership in the NA resulted in membership in the Cosmotheist Community Church (CCC). 10. I never suggested to any member or prospective member of the NA that NA membership also included membership in the CCC. 11. I was never told that I was a member of the CCC. 12. I never heard anything from Dr. Pierce or any other high ranking official that membership in the NA resulted in membership in the CCC. 13. During the entire time that I known Dr. Pierce (1992?-2002), I never heard Dr. Pierce say that before doing something that he was going to get permission of the members of the CCC or the congregation of the CCC. 14. I don’t believe any such a congregation has existed since some time before 1992. (e.g. no congregation existed after 1992, if not earlier) 15. In particular for all of the above 14 specific statements, and in general also nowhere in the body of his legal affidavit does he ever use the phrase “upon information and belief”. PART 3: Summary and Conclusion about the relationship and role between Cosmotheism and the NA Thus from the above dated, signed, and notarized legal affidavit of Will Williams in 2005 one can state basically at least four things: 1. Will Williams states that he is personally attracted to the Cosmotheist religion and Cosmotheism philosophical worldview. 2. The Cosmotheist religion and Cosmotheism philosophical worldview had little if any relationship or role to the NA during the entire time (over 10 years) that Will Williams knew Dr. Pierce, (which was at least from the years 1992 to 2002). 3. Dr. Pierce, nor any other high ranking NA officials, did not ask nor require National Alliance members to be of the Cosmotheist religion or hold Cosmotheism philosophical worldviews. 4. Dr. Pierce, nor any other high ranking NA officials, never mentioned or discussed the Cosmotheist religion and/or Cosmotheism philosophical worldview when dealing with National Alliance matters. Therefore, in comparing Williams’ 2005 legal affidavit vs. his recent (after 2012) public emphasis of the Cosmotheist religion/ Cosmotheism philosophical worldview, Williams’s present credibility is questionable and he could now possibly be considered insincere or worse. In addition Williams and Strom’s tyrannical forcing of their own personal religious beliefs on all National Alliance current and future members could appear to some to be chicanery and possible machination. Thus anything that Will Williams says now that is contrary to his legal affidavit may appear to the casual observer to be a hypocritical fabrication, and some might say outright bigoted religious tyranny. This is especially so if one is a past or present supporter/member of Dr. Pierce’s National Alliance but for various personal reasons is not of the Cosmotheist persuasion. One wonders why seemingly does Williams insist (perhaps nefariously?) on driving away good and honorable white nationalist people who are not of the Cosmotheist persuasion yet who want to support the National Alliance with both their time, talent and their money? The readers can directly ask Mr. Williams himself for his answers to that important question. If you do get a straight answer from Williams, drop us a line at NARRG’s website, and tell us what he had to say. For those wishing to see for themselves direct proof of Williams’ past sworn statements on the Cosmotheist religion and the Cosmotheism philosophical worldview, please see a copy of Will Williams’ 2005 legal affidavit shown below." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (See all of the documents from CI NARRG article linked above.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is pretty obvious to anyone that has been paying attention that Williams both did and actually has "compromised" Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism both just to curry the favor of the fundamentalist "Christians" at SF as well as just to quell the criticisms of CI NARRG's like Brian Wilson. See: http://www.narrg.com/2016/08/william...cks-our-cause/ It is also clear that Williams lied in his own sworn statements regarding Cosmotheism and the NA. Read Chapter 14, beginning on page 178, of "The Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds" by Dr. Griffin and this biography was published in 2001 or just a year before the death of Dr. Pierce in 2002. See: http://www.prometheism.net/library/f...dmansdeeds.pdf It is quite clear that Cosmotheism was the spiritual basis for the NA all along and up till Dr. Pierce's death. Christianity was removed as a 7th OPPOSED IDEOLOGY in the NA Member Handbook by a fundamentalist Christian, ie. a Mormon, or by the then NA Chairman SW and/or by NA Chairman EG and all only after Dr. Pierce's death in 2002. Both the CI NARRG Brian Wilson is lying as was Williams with his own sworn statements but for different reasons. This CI NARRG Brian Wilson was trying to make the NA "Christian friendly" and Williams was helping a friend with a legal issue against SW. In either event, neither one are really looking out for the NA and Dr. Pierce's true legacy: True Cosmotheism as the underlying spiritual basis for the National Alliance. Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 26th, 2016 at 02:08 PM. |
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The Logos Echo
http://logosecho.home.mindspring.com...of%20Unity.htm
The “Logos Echo” of Unity in the Universe by Steven Eric Romer The unity of consciousness is its most salient characteristic. Brain science shows us that many different areas of the brain are involved in behavior and experience (see Kandel and Schwartz, 1985). Verbally, we can describe any aspect of an experience from the smallest geometrical feature all the way up to the overall themes through time, even though these things are mediated by different brain areas. One way of understanding and accounting for this in light of the contrary evidence of brain science, and the science of the world that says everything is separate, is to say that unity is an underlying principle of the entire universe—from the wider space-time universe and its matter, to brains, to language. The binding problem is far from simply being a problem of just the brain and mind. This unity is something that touches upon all of our knowledge of how the world works, and could provide a simple explanation of why everything exists and works as it does. Natural laws have symmetry, and an atom of gold in one location behaves like an atom of gold in another location. I think this fact, along with many others in a similar vein (see Weyl, 1952), shows that these atoms are facets of the same thing. A great unity is woven throughout all aspects of the universe. We cannot see it directly, just as we cannot see consciousness when we look at a brain. We can find lots of evidence for this organizational unity by comparing the general organizational principles of language, brains, and the universe. Physicists search for the ultimate particle or string that ultimately constitutes the one basic building block of reality. Astrophysicists say that the universe arose from a singularity—essentially an absolute unity. Gravity is like a symbol of this unity. The unity in the common origin of life, their parallel carbon-based DNA, and basic cellular structures, all echo the parallel unity of the common origin of the matter of the universe and the common features and laws found everywhere. Stars, and the planets that orbit them, are another unity as central symbol. The sun gives light and life to the earth, and all our large molecules were made within a previous sun’s sphere—a sun that exploded (like the big bang again—within the original sphere of which all natural law and space-time was made). It becomes apparent when we attend to the repeating themes of reality that everything in the universe is actually a facet of the same thing--One thing woven into and behind all things. The mirror of the forms of matter and its processes, the ability of brains to comprehend, and the possibility of a meaningful language, all arise from this essential unity beyond time and space. Coherence is a property of the entire universe, and our brains arose as an echo of this. We are here because a bubble formed in that unity—a self-reflective “hall of mirrors” where patterns repeat because of the underlying unity that everything has its roots in like all plants have roots in the sphere of the Earth, or like certain old California cedars share roots. The original unity did not cease to exist at the big bang, but rather spread out to become immanent everywhere—to provide the basis for the coherence in reality. Forms echo in this unity through time and space like a rock dropped in a calm pond causes rings of concentric waves to move out from the mass dropped in the center. The original bubble of the big bang—that tiny sphere—had infinite connectivity and unity along with infinite possibility. This was the first spreading out and distribution of ultimate unity. The natural laws we know congealed out of this mini “everything” computer—this ultimately connected node of mechanical meaning that all subsequent events in the universe get their coherence and basic physical form from. These repeating patterns are the most basic aspect of existence. Future life and consciousness—which nudges probabilities and transcends space-time--selected the forms of these laws and constants of nature and all its particles. In an echo of this, Every cell in our body contains a set of DNA that is exactly alike, and originally starts from one cell—a unity. The DNA—selected by certain forces in evolution such as a tendency toward meaning/consciousness—is a set of instructions that gets distributed to every cell in the growing organism. Distributed just like natural law in the universe from the original “bubble” of space-time. A whole new person can be cloned from the DNA of one of these single cells—all of the information for a whole organism is contained in each cell everywhere in the body hologram-like. The echo of the original unity is written in every cell, just like in the symmetry and salience of natural law echos, and is informed by, the original unity in the universe. We say children have “potential”, and choose the right path—ostensibly to find a MEANINGFUL life. All these threads running through our lives—right down to the fact that literary devices like allegory and metaphor exist—arise because of the inherent unity behind the space-time reality we find ourselves embedded in, and the consequent echo of forms. In the echo, we see that time and space are an illusory canvas upon which the meaning of unity is written in the colorful language of reality. Reality is fundamentally language-like. The coherence and comprehensibility of that language is evidence of the basic nature of consciousness in relation to existence. I call this pattern of patterns, or metapattern, the “logos echo”—after the “Logos” or divine writing of the universe of the ancient Greeks. Since time and space were created along with the universe, at some level and in some “place” beyond time and space, everything exists as one—shares it’s nature. It must be in this place that the essence of our consciousness originates. A computer screen has no meaning, no coherence, no unity, without a consciousness peering at it, binding it together. The most defining feature of consciousness is that it transcends time and space to bring things together—whether in the brain tissue, in the universe we see, or in our written language and art. The deeper you look into this view, the more interesting relationships you find. The very essence of vision is that we see things always back in time--because light takes time to reach our eyes—yet our bodies always need to travel towards things we see, which are therefore in the future for us, because it takes time to move toward them. We move towards these things as a result of what we see in the “past” in our vision. This situation of vision echoes almost precisely in general form the nature of our memory in relation to our behaviors. All prediction is based on these types of principles, and none of them would work (there would be no coherence) without the logos echo. Everything about consciousness is time and space transcending, and this principle does not stop at the limit of our biological brains. We have memory which knits together events of the past, we make plans, we find meaning—all of it dependent on the logos echo created by inherent unity. We remember themes and general things easier than specifics, perhaps through the logos echo property of the universe. The best way to remember specifics is to embed them in a larger meaning. Much of our learning is (or should be) based on analogy and metaphor—because new things generally follow similar patterns to old things. Trying to explain consciousness using this or that portion of the distributed space-time universe will not work by itself. The explanations will always be incomplete—like Godels theorem in mathematics, or the inaccuracies of metaphor or analogy when you focus on detail, or the “messiness” of woven-together forms compared to Platonic ideals. When it comes to investigating consciousness, we can make an analogy to a dreamer. The details are like the dreamers particular personal experiences, while the grand themes behind them are the real focus of scrutiny for investigators, and interpreters. Actual dreams have more to do with metaphors and meaning pulled out of imagination/infinite possibility of the dreamer, loosely following the constraints laid down by memories, and particulars from the day, etc. Natural science is the opposite—focusing on single variables, not metaphorical themes. Unity and meaning is what is lacking in science—and it is a real priciple of the universe, not just a device of poets. Consciousness is the unity going back toward infinite possibility--constrained by, and reflected in, cosmic, biological, and liguistic evolution. If you carry anthropic cosmological ideas to their logical conclusion, all of reality is the stable dream of a higher consciousness beyond, and immanent in, space-time. It is the type of dream that gives rise to the dreamer himself. The ultimate consciousness. Our linear-causality view of the world is basically one-sided and survival oriented. Time does not flow, it separates. It is a collapse of infinite possibility into finite forms. What flows “back” in time is the forms that become higher consciousness later—like the progressive rise and fall of civilizations leading up to the greatest civilization. In cosmology, astrophysicists search for evidence of whether the universe is “closed”—meaning that gravity will overcome the outward expansion of the universe to collapse it to a point again. I am saying that the universe is open, but that a “ghost” of a collapse into a point, an ultimate consciousness, IS the closure and purpose of the universe. The backward-in-time origin of the creation explosion itself—which in this view would be the ultimate overriding echo in the universe, and the big bang was just a literary device, and a foreshadowing from the human viewpoint. The consciousness that arises will be so complete and intense that it will essentially be the same thing as the creation from infinite possibility in the new universe—the ultimate uroboros, which literally created itself. Existence has portents, just like foreshadowing as a literary device. A dream that starts more like a senseless computer, but ends more like a lucid dream when consciousness of it all arises. Many predictions should be able to be made from these theories. For example, full consciousness should be able to change things back in time, as it has been doing from its place already. We necessarily would not see these things until our own consciousness developed beyond its biological and linear-causal constraints—aided and nurtured both by our large brains and our “information society”. In other words, if our consciousness is small we would not be able to see the large things or large themes at work in the universe. There are many analogies for this unity in our experience which serve as evidence for a real principle of our universe—such as the repeating cragginess of a fractal coastline, or an ant hill compared to a human community. We know what “free as a bird” means because the logos echo principle in our brains allows the transfer of the essential unity of that metaphor. This type of transcending unity is the source of all meaning. This is a principle of something unseen, and intangible, that we surmise is there by the order of what we can see with our biologically limited viewpoint. Without this principle of logos echo from this unity, our brains, our universe, our language, and our consciousness could not exist. An unseen principle does not get more real than that. The logos echo is the most basic principle of the universe. Our brains developed because of this logos-echo principle—we see it in the fact that the same areas of the brain are used for many different perceptions. We see it in studies that show particular cells active in certain fragmentary pattern detections. (Penfield stimulation studies, or Hubel and Weisel, 1962). Each cell, in this view, is like a node of echo—a fragment of the hologram. Also, Lashleys studies of cortex lesions shows a loss of detail, not loss of recognition of overall patterns. Consciousness is that literal beyond-time factor that ties all this disparate tissue and activity together. Consciousness literally transcends space-time, making all cells one by referring back thru time to the original cell. Farther back in time, all life is connected by a common ancestor and is actually one big organism. We find multiple consciousness-nodes as we travel back. This could explain quite neatly the concept of “racial” memory, and Jung’s “collective unconscious” too. The DNA of our brains constrains our behavior by pain and fear—installed, and shaped by past organisms who did not make it, or ceased to exist. It is as if the great organism of life, in moving toward making greater flexibility within natural law from the birth of the universe, experimented with “ideas”—learning and remembering via the DNA. It is easy to see how this great organism of life, and really the universe too—why stop short—has a direction and purpose evidenced by the logos echo, and our consciousness. In life, the one driving force of evolution is toward the greater creativity and flexibility found in higher consciousness. A greater coherence and working unity of all things. By using imagination, we use and transform the past in our memories to create something new. We travel back in time. On a larger scale, using the principle of this echo, it is easy to see the purpose of the great organism of life in such things as the form of trees, the heliotropism of plants, the shapes of antlers and horns, etc—as long as you don’t get bogged down by details and press as many analogies together as you can to glean true ultimate meaning in these distributed things of nature. They clearly have meaning. For example—a millipede is a long organism with hundreds of legs, and this is like the organism of life extending through time. Not just poetic imagery, but really and truly reflecting this information in a sort of echo of form from the future. Rupert Sheldrakes “formative causation” (1981) is really an early apprehension of this future state creating general paths for things in order for it to exist. The idea of Karma is similar to this, only expanded to include things as well as people. Even rare gold running in veins in the ground, and looking like the sun, has meaning in its looks, location, timelessness, and rarity. Poets are really scientists of meaning. Diamonds are symbols of higher consciousness, made of carbon, organized by intense temperature and pressure which symbolizes the struggle of life, etc. transformed into a translucent, unscratchable, rainbow-reflecting gem—the list goes on. Rare events have greater value and meaning to us because we realize a higher consciousness is reflected in them by their singularity. They were chosen out of the field of possibility. We all desire to know this greater consciousness deeper than anything else we do. We call it God, or truth. If we look at things the right way, it has always been in us--literally. The Sun is kind of the central metaphor of higher consciousness on earth (obviously) and certainly is the source of all energy and life. If we look at the sun as TRULY a symbol of the move towards higher consciousness, or of reality revolving around this principle, many hidden things become clear. Indians used to stare at the sun until they passed out in certain of their rituals, and spoke of the “Manitou” in all things. That Manitou is evidence of something beyond the time scales presented to us by our limited biological consciousness—the logos echo. The myth of Icarus and Deadalus is another example. Kings of the Earth have been frequently symbolized by the Sun. In ancient Egyptian paintings we see a sun disk with many hands at the ends of lines reaching down from the sun over the people depicted. This is a symbol of the unity contained in consciousness. These people were not stupid—they saw “magic” and meaning in these symbols. They knew a higher consciousness was coming, and they built pyramids symbolizing this evolution towards a higher unity. We tend to think of things more immediately in our age, but then, they looked far into the future. Our science today helps us look back better than any of them by far. The organism of life was working through them, so to speak. They buried treasures in the sands of time—sent them forward in time. Their kings were seen as “gods” on earth because the future great consciousness (we are experiencing now in the information explosion) reached back through the organism of life to shape what they did and saw. They realized how much their lives were for the future—to install the portents and monoliths of a new age to come (like in the movie “2001 a Space Odyssey”). The people knew it too—that’s why the kings had so much power, they were “enlightened”. The greater consciousness of the future chose the form of what they did—they were it’s memory in a way, since all memories are really echoes into the future consciousness. We see the same thing with the mesa-pictures of the South American Indians—facing the sky, and the sun—displaying their works to the future. They knew what was important, like every individual does for their own future, as a people, as one. Having faith and hope are very important, because our biological brains are so full of animal urges and fears and hungers from our past that seem to want to prevent us from reaching the future—at least until we have reached a point in our knowledge to really and truly overcome them. Denying our “animal” nature for the sake of higher truth signals the transition from computer/survival/building phase to the higher-consciousness phase evidenced by our information-explosion, and our exponential advance in knowledge of recent years. Unity of knowledge overcomes all things—that’s why God can help you through the “valley of the shadow of death” still contained within our genes. It seems apparent that these things were hidden to us until we got the vocabulary and grammar right with our science. In the Bible, Jesus said something like how can I tell you things of heaven, when I tell you things of earth and you don’t believe? They could not comprehend it. The great consciousness directing all life seemed to “know” that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing—much like we put blinders on horses so they don’t get spooked, or use covered bridges. We focused backward with science’s isolation of variables, and our great telescopes—to keep us moving forward and all that. This is VERY much like the idea of Frank Tiplers “Anthropic Cosmology”—only here, I say consciousness in the future DREW these things into being for its own existence automatically, instead of it being a remarkable coincidence. There is a force in the universe that reaches back and controls the unfolding of things in broad strokes, and this time-transcending future force IS CONSCIOUSNESS. It becomes patently obvious that religions and science are two sides to the same coin—the accurate reading of the message written in all reality. It is all about the meaning in things and the logos echo. If we remove the constraint of time moving forward from our narrow biology, we see that we are more like salmon swimming upstream towards the source of consciousness from which all things flow. Like in Julian Jaynes book, “The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” (1976), Consciousness was born in life as the great body of life progressed through the ages. We probably DID automatically follow the “voices” of gods back then as he says—just maybe not actually heard, but motivationally. We see it in the shapes of Buddhist Stupas, temples, and pyramids. We acquired enough consciousness to control our own destinies to an extent, instead of acting automatically like a hill of ants, school of fish, or flock of geese. We became writers, and creators, of the things in our lives. We made things that reflected what our consciousness knew outward again—made our own symbols, and ratcheted ourselves up to higher consciousness on these. Gods in religions of the past were these unseen controlling factors of higher consciousness, which ultimately are aspects of God by definition—just like fingers are connected by a palm, an arm, and ultimately a brain. Natural laws are “gods” too—to the matter of the universe, just like certain biological processes and organs are necessary for life. The whole idea of “false idols” being negative is getting stuck along the way at the symbols, not progressing, etc. to realize the great living and moving truth behind all symbols. Jordan Peterson’s (1999) book on this process of progression to knowledge is the best I have seen on the topic—although he does not talk about a Godlike force drawing and creating forward as I do here, it is an excellent portrayal of the struggle toward knowledge in life—containing uncanny parallels to a lot of my thinking. He does acknowledge the importance of CONSCIOUSNESS to all progress—as a force that slays the dragon and brings something new into being. But all reality is like a big book of symbols stuck in time we must get past. Like the Tibetan Buddhists assert—all really is illusion in this respect. B. Allan Wallace states in his aptly named book “Choosing Reality” the yearning for truth in combination with a wish to help others; …implicitly acknowledges the interdependence of self and others and the kinship of all that lives, and is the sole motivation with which one can attain the full spiritual awakening of a Buddha. Just as it is the supreme motivation for spiritual practice, so is it the finest incentive for scientific research. Religious leaders who had “higher consciousness” were all similar in their general way of relating to reality (see Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh (1995), for example). Consciousness is the ultimate meaning in brain tissue in the same way as there is real meaning to the universe—obviously from the time of the big bang, before time was created, in that ultimate unity. For this same reason, our language is possible. Without fundamental unity there is no representation across forms. Forms echo, and that very echo is the most meaningful and tangible thing about the universe. Consciousness is the center of meaning residing in our brains. Our particular brain is the center of meaning in a larger consciousness. Really, the natural laws of the universe are written in us because we arose in the universe and are a functional part of it. A human brain is the nexus, a portal, for these things. The natural laws are naturally apparent in our brains because the force/reflection that molded them was this property of this universe we find in the repeating of patterns—the logos echo. The actual birth of the universe is recapitulated in the singular ancestral origin of life. The origin of a person in the single cell created at conception recapitulates the phylogeny of all life in its common origins. The developing embryo looks like various animal embryos along the way, etc. The fact that we have single-cell organisms still with us is like the unity still with us threaded through reality. They help sustain us and are part of us—just as our own organs or cells are necessary for the future us. The idea of looking in at brains and dissecting their activity automatically creates deceptions. A brain is something that operates with a large “beyond time” component--which by definition is not available upon looking at brains with our here-and-now apparatus of perception intended for another totally unrelated purpose: survival. Another way of saying survival is to say that we maintain the theatre of our existence. Our brains create the illusion of time moving by, and linear causality is carved out by them from actual causality which moves everywhere at once. Evidence for this comes from looking for a coherence, a MEANING to things happening in our universe and our civilizations. We see the unity of the origin of things—we see that unity spread everywhere in the stable, coherent, properties of our world. The forms of life, the forms of civilization, and the forms of language are woven into each other. Religions all seek to describe the importance of conscious unity, or higher consciousness—of consciousness in creation. Consciousness is the (opposite) mirror image of the big bang within us. The unity in the future that pulled the universe out of the sea of infinite possibility, and constructed it to give rise to consciousness. We find evidence in the remarkable coincidences that led to the exact properties of the universe needed for the formation of life, and in the utter complexity of eyes and brains toward greater meaning and greater levels of consciousness. Stephen Hawking quotes Sheldon Glashow in reference to a grand unified theory—the holy grail of physics: “When the (early) universe was very very hot, we believe that all the forces may have been one. And that one underlying, seemingly magical force is what we are all now working to discover” (Boslough, 1985). We find evidence of the power and glory of consciousness in the myths of all peoples. South American shamans speak of how “The Dream not only drives the action, it also guides the action” (Perkins, 1994) the dream of ultimate conscious unity. The Aborigines of Australia spoke of the “Dreamtime” when the “spirit ancestors” dreamed the world into existence. Who knew they were so advanced? It was the future ancestors from far after the big bang that pulled us out of the void of infinite possibility—to put it in linear causal, or within-time terminology. This is the function of consciousness—to construct and bind universes. The cosmic glue that “breathes life”, and meaning, into our equations. The soul of the machine universe. All we see and perceive is symbol at some level. The thing that breathes life into all of it is consciousness—which ultimately is one. The oneness gives life and meaning to everything like some great reader reading the book of life. We are the source of meaning when we read a book, and this great source of cosmic meaning is the source of the meaning of everything because everything is a book to be read on a grand scale. The logos echo is the key to this meaning. Key to Illustrations The SPIRAL shape shows how the unity running through reality is seen as repeating, or meaningfully related parallel themes. As you encompass larger sets within the spiral, you get to a point where you see that it is actually all ONE LINE, and is truly a unity. PYRAMIDS are a natural progression to a unity—towards the sky, or “future”. Actually, there are two mirror-image (in form or meaning) pyramids describing reality—the unified origin of the physical universe out of infinite possibility, and at the other end the unified end of the development of life and coherence in that universe leading again to infinite possibility. TREE of life, and reality. Trees are excellent symbols of the development of the universe and life—but you need to include their heliotropism, and dependence on the Sun to read their true meaning. The whole meaning of things is their true meaning. Life recapitulates the birth of the universe in this way, and a single life recapitulates the birth of life. We can “read the forms” of life and existence like a book. References Boslough, John (1985). Stephen Hawking’s Universe. Avon, New York. Hanh, Thich Nhat (1995). Living Buddha, Living Christ. Riverhead Books, New York. Hubel, D.H., and Weisel, T.N. (1962). Receptive Fields, Binocular Interaction and Functional Architecture in the Cats Visual cortex. J. Phisiol. 160, 106-154. Jaynes, Julian (1976). The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Houghton Mifflin, Boston. Perkins, John (1994). The World is as You Dream It. Destiny Books, Rochester, VT. Peterson, Jordan B. (1999). Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief. Routledge, New York. Sheldrake, Rupert (1981) A New Science of Life. Jeremy P. Tarcher, Los Angeles, CA. Wallace, B. Allan (1996). Choosing Reality. Snow Lion Publications, Ithaca, NY. Weyl, Hermann (1952). Symmetry. Princeton University Press, Princeton. *****For more details see "The Textbook of the Universe" by the same author here: http://www.prometheism.net/library/T...heUniverse.pdf Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 26th, 2016 at 01:15 PM. |
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Words of Wisdom from the Spiritual Leader of William Williams’ National Alliance This was part of Pringle’s screaming speech that I’ve posted about before. It occurred on 27-28 August 2016. The rant started about 09:30 PM and ended about 03:45 AM. I put in x’s to block offensive words, and I hid names. Throughout the rant, Pringle insisted that I put it on VNN; I am doing that now. Pringle shouted this very loud, vitriolic and hate-filled. 9:47 PM, 27 August 2016: Will Williams is a “fxxking dumb ass.” Quote:
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NARRG’s Pledge of Intent and where true Cosmotheists differ.
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The rest of it is just NOT acceptable to ANY true Cosmotheists here: "2. As in the past, potential recruits will not be turned away because of religious belief or lack of it. The National Alliance is not a religious organization although certainly its mission does contain an important spiritual element. What is asked of every member is that the mission and philosophy of the National Alliance, that of preserving and advancing our race, represents eminent importance in that individual’s personal life. Cosmotheism in Context Having stated that the mission and philosophy of the National Alliance is that of preserving and advancing our race, the National Alliance will be republishing Dr. Pierce’s essays on Cosmotheism. Those essays will be available to anyone who wishes to reflect further on our Founder’s early thoughts and writings on the subject, from the ten year period from the mid-’70’s to the mid-’80’s. As everyone knows, Dr. Pierce let these ideas go fallow after the mid-1980’s for various reasons. What was most important to him, especially in his later years, was the development of the National Alliance as a secular organization; a movement, a real national alliance. Nonetheless, there are important uplifting concepts imparted in these writings and we’d like them to continue to be available. As evidence of these intentions we exhibit below from court documents, the testimony of Will Williams in a notarized, sworn affidavit given in 2005 about his experiences as a national office staff member from 1992 to 1993. We thank Will Williams for his testimony, as his eyewitness account proves what the status of Cosmotheism with Dr. Pierce was during the time he spent working at the office with him. There are many other members out there that can attest the same sentiment as stated by Williams. The fact that this particular statement is in legal form makes it exceptional to demonstrate our point. Therefore keeping this idea in its proper context within the National Alliance is just as important to us today, as it is stated here by Will Williams in 2005." Again: We do not care what either Will Williams had stated nor what NARRG members lie about context and or so falsely believe about the "status of Cosmotheism" to both Dr. Pierce and the NA. We true Cosmotheists know that Cosmotheism always was and that it is the spiritual heart and foundation of the NA and that ANY Fundamentalist Christians opposed to both Dr. Pierce's Cosmotheism and NA ideology are NOT QUALIFIED ever to become either NA members or staff, but, and at most can only be supporters and contractors. That perversion of the "qualifications" happened only after Dr. Pierce's death by Chairman Erich Gliebe changing the member qualifications or and by Chairman Shaun Walker and or most recently by Will Williams, etc. ad nauseum. Christianity is an opposed ideology of both Cosmotheism and the NA and it will remain so regardless of any outcome of these many NARRG lawsuits or who or whom is Chairman of the NA to all true Cosmotheists. Hopefully, if JM wins this most recent lawsuit he remembers that key fact. Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 27th, 2016 at 03:17 PM. |
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A mouth as dirty as his hands is the spiritual leader of the NA?
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Well, in that case, then a Fred Streed could just as easily take his place. "Spiritually", that is, or if no longer "physically" due to his admitted old age. And I had once thought that M.O. for that was a lousy choice and a "unwise decision" by Williams but this so poor choice really makes the case for me resigning both when I did so and also why I did so. Birds of a "WT" feather and all. See: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2...postcount=2906 and http://www.narrg.com/2016/06/pringle-guns-intimidate/ and http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2109891&postcount=33 and http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2...postcount=2903 and: http://www.narrg.com/2016/03/william...tery-of-woman/ and http://www.narrg.com/2015/12/will-wi...v-in-one-week/ and https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t11...1#post13627069 and http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1...&postcount=136 ETC. ETC. ETC. ENOUGH ALREADY! TIME FOR A NEW CHAIRMAN of the "new" NA NOW! WHAT SAY YOU, "JOHN M." and all of his Associates? The very "Creator" and "CI" movement folks that Dr. Pierce warned us all about are the very ones moderating "WB" the NA forum, Emily H. and are running the "new" NA, ie. the atheist "Creator" and Chairman Will W. Williams are both not any true Cosmotheists! That is why the "WT" have been gravitating to this "new" NA. See: Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 28th, 2016 at 02:44 PM. |
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Where does JM stand on the critical issue of true Cosmotheism?
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Does anyone here on VNNF really know? Dr. Bob D.? "Lucent Noble"? Michael O. or even better yet, Mr. John M. himself? Cleaning up the "new" NA is just one good thing but for and towards what ends? Depending upon these answers or not will determine whether or not any true Cosmotheists should support JM in these efforts in anyway that they can or not. Last edited by Paul Vogel; October 28th, 2016 at 02:15 PM. |
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Inefficiency Reigns at the National Alliance William Williams takes contributions and wastes them. Williams misuses money by not finishing projects. Here is one example. Gatehouse Propane Fiasco: The gatehouse was already equipped for propane. Williams broke the heater while fooling with it. Instead of repairing it, Williams went to Lowes and bought a new heater, and he also bought an electric resistance heater as a backup. To make a long story short, Williams bought a non-code resistance heater, and the new propane heater was never installed (it’s probably in the attic or storage shack). Nor did Williams construct the required concrete pad for the new larger propane tank that he planned to install. But Williams didn’t need the larger tank; the NA already has two or three 100-pound tanks. Country folks just take their 100-pound tanks and get them refilled at a filling station. In short, Williams couldn’t handle a simple project; Williams spent a lot of money and never got propane restarted. The project remains unfinished. Before the Gliebe and Williams regimes, the gatehouse had been heated since it was constructed by a wood stove. It has a serviceable chimney. After Dr. Pierce died, the Gliebe-ites burned all the firewood that I had cut, split, and hauled for them, and then the Gliebe-ites switched to propane. Firewood means self-sufficiency, but it’s work. Pringle and Williams give only lip service to self-sufficiency. |
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What is it we are expected to do about it?
If what he's doing is illegal, then prosecute him. If not, then what is the point of all this endless whining? Its a defunct organisation, that long ago ceased to be relevant. This is clearly a battle over the money and assets, and not over achieving the purpose of the organisation. Its been a corrupt and ineffective organisation for about a decade. This endless squabbling over the rotting corpse simply indicates how impotent and powerless the other members of the organisation are. Will has mastered them, defeated them and spat in their face, and the response is to cry. Why should we care, and what are we being asked to do in real life?
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Is that the gate house you illegally occupied for a year. Didn't try and ban people from accessing it and doing maintenance.
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All good questions, Hugh.
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Why should we care? It all depends upon what the actual purpose is all in real life. Those questions have been asked of Williams' opposition here: http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=2...postcount=2940 Answers? Last edited by Paul Vogel; November 14th, 2016 at 09:53 AM. |
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Neither I nor any of my friends blocked anyone from doing any maintenance on the gatehouse. In fact, we did a lot of maintenance; that’s why David Pringle could just move in there. Pringle did block me from doing maintenance: On 03 June, 2016, I weedeated part of the gatehouse front lawn, and Pringle called the cops. Chief Deputy Troy McCoy arrived and found that I was doing nothing wrong. On 10 June, 2016, I started to mow the gatehouse back lawn, and Pringle called the cops. Trooper D P Dillion arrived and found that I was doing nothing wrong. |
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"...William Williams takes contributions and wastes them. Williams misuses money by not finishing projects. Here is one example..."
Fool and his money is soon parted, anyone stupid enough to donate money to Williams is an imbecile and should not have control over money in the first place.
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Most honest critics of Will Williams get banned at Stormfront
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Hindsight is 20/20. Williams bait n switched quite a few people that perhaps should have known better, myself included. Even smart people can be scammed by affinity fraud and SF and minions or fools like Fred Streed still cover up truths and the facts and hypocritically lie for Williams. Forewarned is fore-armed. |
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Only interesting topic left here-there's no gawd, y'all
Just checked in here. This was the only thing interesting and not the usual shitfest. Made me laugh n I love this topic as much as race.
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 I think Hawking would laugh so hard at that he might gain feeling in his legs and leap from that wheelchair. He can explain it to you. No need for a Creator. More evidence there is NOT one than that there is. Old news for people who grasp science: (Vid is literally less than two minutes long): http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zblTCsThDE Whip out your attention span, cuz here comes Mr. Hawking, explaining the same damn thing, this time for eight whole freaking minutes: http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb7LCau_Z_Y Mr. Hawking wrote a whole book on the topic. People who blindly 'belieebb' in 'gawd' got mad and sent him letters saying they were glad he was in that wheelchair, and they hoped he'd die. The love of god. Nothing quite like it. Quote:
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No such thing as a spirit. No such thing to an Atheist. It does not exist. How do we know it doesn't? Become brain dead from an injury, Paul. 'Paul' would cease to exist, because who you are is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY the MIND. The 'soul' stuff is totally and completely childish, and based on blind faith. As far as forming a religion based on race being 'like Jews', that goes all sucky right here: Jews went from a bunch of gawds to one gawd, but JEWS NEVER OPTED TO HAVE NO GODS. Hence the wonderful 'Channukah' example. The Jews that wanted to be like the GREEKS and abandon their retarded monotheistic faith for science where MURDERED by the retarded religious nuts, who then claim to have had lamp oil for 'eight days n nights' from Gawd to light up their 'temple of insanity.' So Jews were not the creators of Atheism, and nothing about Atheism resembles Judaism whatsoever, nor does a Pro White godless religion resemble anything Jewish. Atheists also don't care if the gang agrees, they just wanna know what truth is. It's not a popularity thing. It got people killed, and still does. You have to have some guts to accept what the science actually shows us. As long as you are stronger than a special snowflake, stepping out into the light won't make you melt.
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As for that topic about Christianity and the NA, and the 'ask Will' comments directed at me, I did ask him.
Firstly, the NA is not solely a religious org. Here's Dr. Peirce's take on that, and the NA take on that: http://williamlutherpierce.flawlessl...tian-doctrine/ " ..OPPOSED IDEOLOGIES 2d.vii. Christianity The National Alliance is not a religious organization, in the ordinary sense of the term. It does, however, have to concern itself with religious matters, because religions influence the behavior of people, society, and governments. The doctrines of various religious groups—Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, et al.—deal with the temporal as well as spiritual matters and therefore often conflict with National Alliance doctrine. Christian doctrines are of much greater concern to the National Alliance than the doctrines of other large religious groups, because Christianity is the most influential religion in the United States, Europe, and the rest of the White world. Most members of the National Alliance come from families which are, or a generation ago were, at least nominally Christian, and very few come from families which practice or practiced, Islam, Buddhism, or other religions. Furthermore, the history of our race for the last thousand years has been inextricably bound up with Christianity. The National Alliance really cannot avoid taking positions regarding Christian beliefs and practices, despite the complications this causes our work.." I read further what Pierce said about this. What that means: It's okay to talk to and work with Christians and be in the National Alliance. Even when they do this, they do not promote Christianity, nor the worst in my opinion of the worst, Fundamentalist Christ Insanity (Evangelical, Dominionists, and similar. The lowest rung of the ignorance heap, also my opinion). So they work with people who may have a dissimilar view, as long as their values are in keeping with NA values. Adults can leave their religious opposing views off the table and work together. I would be opposed-and I said so-if they were recruiting and promoting some brand of Christ Insanity. They're not. I have a Catholic friend who met NA members and liked them very much. Should they spit in her face? I don't think so. They chatted. I don't spit in her face either, we just don't talk about Jeeboo. If some of what I believe in differs from Cosmotheism in some ways (I agree totally with the technological advancement and interests in space held by Cosmotheists, and certain biological prinicpals being 'wired' into our being by evolution that are to be adhered to)-those are not important enough to negate doing work with other people that has value. Unless you are quite petty and cultish. Or care desperately what others think of you too much to discuss the merits of anything. I don't, and did discuss it. The discussion was very gracious, not a prob. Hasta mas tarde. In the meantime, more of that very much White Atheism and Science vs. Whites Who Adhere to Jewish Mythical Cult Beliefs No Matter What You Show Them Because They Hate Reality and Can't Handle It (that would be a mighty fine title if not so long) :
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Religions organization work on religiousness of their members. It mean that they want destroy Christianity if whites are Christians. It is impossible be Christian and accept Perces Cosmotheism. In one hand they have Christian laity who did not read their Bible and in second anti-christian curch on first place. Cosmotheism teach that man can became god and between is just path. If exist just one god according to Christians,impossible is that people can become gods. In Pierces Hunter Christians are showed as fools and strategy how under manipulation of Christianity can collect future members. Such tactic is impossible because Christianity is multiracial religion.You can have some confused Christian members into wn movement but you can not accept people with Christianity. Only strong attack on all anti-white religions can be good for white race. Fear of enemy is lost battle and stupidity is if you do not know who is your enemy.
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Gentiles infected with Semitism have already lost the battle to win their true destiny. If the NA allows any Trojan-horse Christians to be members then it has compromised the original spiritual foundation of it and of which was Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism. The same is true of hard atheists like Emily Henderson and Will Williams: neither of them being faithful to Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism, whatsoever. Christianity was one of seven NA opposed ideologies. Hard Atheism really should have been added as well, along with Scientism, as both are opposed to Dr. Pierce's true Cosmotheism. Last edited by Paul Vogel; November 15th, 2016 at 12:21 PM. |
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Pierce tried to include something as spirit. No one know really what is that not people do not know nothing what do not know science. Pierce knew this as phisycs,why he include theism,only he knows. However,all WN whites who recognized judeo-christian cult should have respect. In my opinion,eugenic society (galtonism),darwinism and smithism (Adam Smith free market liberalism) are foundations of white society. All according to science what mean atheism. Such foundations is not for big mass. It is only for small group of white people who can bring decisions how to keep civilization. Keep civilization is only important and irrelevant if this want destroy non-white or white under-man,they are enemy of society. Last edited by Fico; November 15th, 2016 at 12:37 PM. |
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