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Old January 11th, 2014 #81
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Not Rounder. It's not his style to take it on the chin and defend himself as vigorously as possible - he'd prefer to find someone to inform on to get himself some breathing room.

But I guess Strom couldn't implicate someone else in his own actions, unlike Rounder. So he couldn't exactly go for the Glenn Miller Defence.
Well, yeah. Every man to a tee except Rounder (and Martin Barlow) agreed with me.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #82
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Old January 11th, 2014 #83
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Find another brilliant, super jew-wise, capable WN, and Will Williams approved, who actually goes by his real name, and has the guts to step up to the plate and found and co-lead an active, WN membership organization ??

Name one other candidate on the North American continent.
Answer - you.

That would be an organization full of piss and vinegar that is for sure, one headed by Glenn Miller and Will Williams.

Strom needs to step away if he truly cares about the interests of WN.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #84
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Rounder is less suitable than even a scumbag like Strom as an organisational leader.

For one thing, he's pretty old and sick. A serious organisation needs a young (or at least, not ancient) leader with plenty of energy and drive in them, who can provide long term leadership and guidance, and aren't hooked up to an oxygen tank nearly all the time.

For another thing, after snitching on the Order guys, no-one trusts him anymore.

It's really too bad (for him); it's pretty clear the old fella has a serious Napoleon complex on him.

The only thing full of piss on Rounder is his Depends.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #85
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April Greade was always backing him up and i warned her.She told me afterwards i was right and she would blow his head off if she had the chance.
 
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April Greade was always backing him up and i warned her.She told me afterwards i was right and she would blow his head off if she had the chance.
That right there is the most damning evidence I've read today on these threads. April Gaede has taken the time to research the whole case in detail I am sure. If former friend and mother of the some of the involved say he is guilty, then go to the bank with it.
 
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Ariel Sharon died today.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #88
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Ariel Sharon died today.
Yeah, I heard. Let me guess, you're one of the ten sitting shivah for him?

 
Old January 11th, 2014 #89
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That right there is the most damning evidence I've read today on these threads. April Gaede has taken the time to research the whole case in detail I am sure. If former friend and mother of the some of the involved say he is guilty, then go to the bank with it.
That just goes to reinforce my belief too.
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Yeah, I heard. Let me guess, you're one of the ten sitting shivah for him?

Not all jews are lubavitchers.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #91
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I didn't say you were a jew or a lubavitcher. But if the shoe fits ...
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #92
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Protesting descriptions of himself in the media as a neo-Nazi and white supremacist, Kevin Alfred Strom, 51, pleaded guilty today to one count of possession of child pornography in U.S. District Court in Charlottesville.
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"They have more to do with the media describing me as a white supremacist," declared Strom, who advocates separate areas for "endangered" whites. "I deeply resent the way I've been characterized in the press. I'm no more a white supremacist than the Dalai Lama is."
Admits child porn. Denies his beliefs.

h ttp://w ww.readthehook.com/76518/i-am-not-neo-nazi-strom-pleads-kid-porn

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There is no question that the government can and has set up those who pose a threat to its power. There are a string of WN who have either one, been set up by the government, or two, had the law enforced against them where it probably wouldn't have been had they not been a WN.

A WN can do nothing about whether or not they are set up by ZOG.

However THEY CAN make the decision from there on what to do, to plead out to something they didn't do or to plead not guilty and let them do what they will with their criminal justice system.

Depending on the crime, one might not be blamed for "pleading out" to avoid a harsh sentence. If one was being charged with tax evasion for example, or weapons violations, I would not necessarily hold it against them if they evaluated the situation and chose to plead guilty to avoid jail time.

However with such a heinous accusation as any kind of sexual crimes against a child is I cannot personally fathom pleading guilty to that, something I would never do and that I have intense personal disgust for. They may well send me to prison for decades, but they would do it after I insisted on my innocence, that it was a set-up.

Had Mr. Strom pleaded not guilty then perhaps, perhaps then we could entertain the positives and negatives of having him rejoin our ranks. However that guilty plea justs seals my mind. He is only going to provide the media with propaganda to paint nationalists in a negative light.

I think the worst thing that can happen here is that a couple of hard nosed, no nonsense, good old boys who have done a lot of good in their time in this fight risk sullying their own name by advocating for this man.

So many of us are inclined to take the side of anyone "but the government" because of the stench that comes from ZOG. However we must recognize that they are not always to blame when bad behavior happens, bad eggs can come into our midst.

There are also other matters to be concerned with Mr. Strom, although they pale in comparison to the main one, the criminal matter. This man is on record for having taped conversations, at least one, some might recall that taped conversation between himself and NA staff worker Patrick Martin years ago that rather mysteriously turned up online for a while. Many would be upset with that as most nationalists value their privacy.

Also Mr. Strom when leading the short lived "National Vanguard" organization took donations for a magazine that was supposed to come out but never did, this was separate from membership dues. I remember some members of that group and others rumbling about that.

I personally think this man is probably looking at WN and the NA as a way to make money, I am sure employment might be a challenge for him so perhaps he views the potential money that might come in as a way to pay his bills. We sure as hell have had enough of that in this movement.

The man in my opinion, while certainly having some intellectual gifts, was not in any way as inspiring as Dr. Pierce in his broadcasts. Dr. P was a hard act to follow, but what I mean is it didn't have the same spirit, you didn't hear the real hatred and anger for our enemies in his broadcasts. His broadcasts were too prim and proper and just didn't measure up to Dr. Pierce.

He also did not have anything of note going at the time he was arrested, the NV organization he founded had hope early but it really did peter out and was no longer in existence a year later. One might ask, why would the feds chose him to frame or selectively prosecute. Edgar Steele was doing something and posed a real threat, a WN lawyer. I believe Mr. Hale also was getting his law license. Those men definitely were set up and definitely posed a credible threat and were an asset to our cause.

He is very lucky to have had Mr. Williams and now Mr. Miller speaking out for him, but I think it is clear that their words are having little effect. As I said I think the worst thing that can happen here aside from Mr. Strom being used by the media or anyone else to smear all WN is that the reputation of those two men risk being sullied by their association with this man, especially Mr. Williams.

I know both you Mr. Miller and Mr. Williams are ALL ABOUT DOING SOMETHING, all about people getting off the computer, using their real names, doing something for this cause. For this reason I see that you both are open to throwing your support behind almost anyone or anything that is doing those things. For that reason I am inclined to look past this, I still think your both good WN, not sure how others will feel though.

And Mr. Strom, being the intellectual he is, needs to recognize the futility of what he is trying to do here. I may be wrong, the man may have more than money on his mind, however there is just no sensical argument that would lead a reasonable person to believe that he could be a successful leader, all of our people would tune him out once they heard "convicted child molester". Set up or not, that is a given.

If he cared about the cause there are other ways he might contribute behind the scenes, with money donations perhaps, let him do that, being the face of our fight, just no chance of success in my opinion, for him and more importantly for the WN cause.

While I must admit I don't think he could convince me of anything, I just think he needs to remove himself from any connection to our movement as crimes against children are ones I hold in the most severe disgust of anything else I can think of, why is Mr. Strom himself not willing to go on to the forums and plead his case, instead we have Mr. Miller and Mr. Williams doing that work for him. Let him stand up for his own transgressions if he denies them, I know he wrote that paper on his site or whatever, but I find something amiss with Mr. Williams and Mr. Miller getting all the blowback while he sits and probably just reads it all.

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Find another brilliant, super jew-wise, capable WN, and Will Williams approved, who actually goes by his real name, and has the guts to step up to the plate and found and co-lead an active, WN membership organization ??

Name one other candidate on the North American continent.
What has Will Williams done that we should overlook the whole pedo thing and accept his stamp of approval on faith? Partnering with Strom is prima facie evidence of incompetence. I'm having a difficult time figuring out what he would need Strom for. Why not start the new organization on his own? A wild guess would be that Strom has a lot of material from the old National Alliance that Will Williams couldn't get his hands on otherwise. Still doesn't justify working with Strom.
 
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Stop making sense, as you'll give our resident frothing retards who leap to give a pass on literally anything as long as the fuck-up in question calls themselves a "WN" a migraine.

Jesus fucking Christ, Kevin Strom ADMITTED TO POSSESSING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

What the fuck is wrong with you people who defend him?
Alex Jones fan syndrome. Everything is a frame job or conspiracy. Never mind the tapes, the confession, the guilty plea, the reptile people had it in for Strom. Or the bitch set him up. Never mind that, this is an activism thread so stop being a negative nellie and support the Lost Cause!

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Old January 11th, 2014 #97
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Not that sheltered, Ian. Every time this comes up as it has with UK political figures, I've said the same thing. You don't plead guilty to this crime if you didn't do it and every man to a tee has agreed with me. The poll results in the other thread agree with me.


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Rounder, if it were *just" the few images in his computer, if I were on a jury and a man stood up and said "they were on my computer but I did not put them there. My estranged wife did it for revenge" than I would have to find him not guilty based on reasonable doubt or the Scottish verdict of "not proven".

I don't agree with you. Perhaps you think I'm a woman, or some sort of bizarre eunuch.

It is ridiculous to imply you would necessarily react that way to such a court defendant; you should make an evaluation as a juror on many levels.

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I don't agree with you. Perhaps you think I'm a woman, or some sort of bizarre eunuch.

It is ridiculous to imply you would necessarily react that way to such a court defendant. Or you should make an evaluation as a juror on many levels.
17-1 agree with me, says the poll. http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=170268 Most of them men, as well. It's interesting that you mention I think of you as a woman or a eunuch though, simply because you disagree that someone would plead guilty to one of the most heinous crimes on the books just for an easy life.

Why is it "ridiculous" to state how I would react in a court case? Have you ever been a juror? I have. I have sat on a case where I wished England had the "Not Proven" option because one case screamed out for it so I can say with some certainty that if I were sat on a case where a man had a few child porn pics and claimed his estranged and bitter ex-wife planted them, then with no other evidence than that my conscience would compel me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

My own belief in Strom's guilt comes from all the other evidence.
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So because there's nobody better, you settle for a - let's not mince words or split hairs over whether he is guilty or not - a convicted paedophile?

That is what it comes down to. He is a convicted paedophile in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of every mother and father who will be looking to the NA to provide answers or help or whatever else for what they perceive to be wrong with the country they live in.
Bev. Do yourself a favour and stop responding to "Rounder". He has seriously lost the plot. It wasn't that long ago he was on here telling everybody being a muslim was great, now he is defending a self-confessed, convicted sex case. IMO the only people defending that slimy pervert Strom are people who probably agree with his sick perversions.
 
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17-1 agree with me, says the poll. http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=170268 Most of them men, as well. It's interesting that you mention I think of you as a woman or a eunuch though, simply because you disagree that someone would plead guilty to one of the most heinous crimes on the books just for an easy life.

Why is it "ridiculous" to state how I would react in a court case?
You weren't only talking about your narrow poll, but in uk forum discussions, every man to a tee etc.. And I'm not the only one who disagrees.

I don't think I see eunuchs as you do.

State how you would necessarily react to a court statement.
 
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