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Here is a link to a good presentation on the demolition, gives you a blow by blow on the the tower take down, it's so easy to comprehend that even a kosherfront heeb moderator could get it. When the 911 myth goes, it is going to go fast, no one in the MSM will want to be the last kike supporting the phony government version of 911.
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Pakistani chief of security put on ZOG terrorist watch list for naming the kikes as responsible for 911 and asking for new investigation.
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Hi Pat, I'm intrigued by the evidence of high temperatures in the rubble of the wtc (possibly 2000 degrees F or even hotter in pockets). Indeed, it is appropriate to look at what caused the heat, and how these temperatures could be achieved.
I believe an answer can be found in the fact that iron burns: Quote:
Note also (http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm) that at high temperatures steel will oxidize (burn) even if there is no oxygen present in the air by application of steam; ironically, it's possible the water that penetrated the rubble actually promoted the oxidation of the steel and added to the heat.
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Talk about grasping at straws! You'd have every fire brigade World wide shut down. Look, it is impossible for the 3,000 DegF temperature to have been reached unless there was an accelerant. George, unexploded, weapons grade nano-thermate particles were found in numerous dust samples collected from various locations nearly a decade after the buildings were themselves reduced to DUST, that speaks for itself. Who put that there George, Osama bin Deadalongwhile? I just don't understand how intelligent people don't get this. What part don't you get yet George? Weapons grade, laboratory made, Nano Thermate has been found: Buildings fall in free fall time George. Human remains (Fingers) found on 100 yard distant WINDOW SILLS of Buildings, years later George: NORAD was kept away, by WHOM George? TWO planes hit TWO buildings causing the destruction of ALL SEVEN in the WTC George: Hundreds of witnesses heard EXPLOSIVES George. The JET ENGINE in Murray St identified as a small B737, ie. No AA Plane hit the WTC, George: Fire has NEVER destroyed a steel framed building. On 911 THREE were destroyed, George! They belonged to ONE OWNER, George! Golly, what a co-incidence. He insured them for $7.2 Billion! And specifically for 'Terrorist' Attacks, George! Clairvoyant? 'Hijackers' turn up ALIVE! Stone the Crows and Starve the Lizards George! 'Dancing Israelies' here to 'record the event' George! George, an ugly Jew (Chertoff) FREES them, taxpayers pay their airfare back to Tel Aviv! Etc, etc. George. What is it ABOUT THIS INSIDE JOB you don't get yet, George? |
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Israel did 9/11 !!! Don't be afraid to say it loud and clear!!!
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Open your Mind, Open Your Eyes, Don’t Lie to Yourself
Terrorist and Jews http://reasonstohateamerica.wordpres...rist-and-jews/ We should all fear the terrorists in this country. But who really are the terrorists? Osama Bin Laden? The late Saddam Hussein? All of those guys with bandannas covering their faces wielding AK-47s? No, the real terrorist are the 5.3 million Jews who live in Israel and their murderer leader who terrorizes and kills the poor rightful owners of the land. Not that a single asshole American really cares what goes on in anybody else’s life other than their own, but this terrorist state in Israel and all the Jew backers are just another reason to hate America. This illegal seizure of the land of Palestine has created something which may even be worse than Jews themselves, middle eastern, Persian, and Arab people, who shall be solely referred to as terrorists exist as a direct result of the Jews and the Jew backers. The main reason for the illegal state of Israel is the so-called holocaust. The holocaust was a made up, false event used to give sympathy for the Jews. There is absolutely no debate about this. WORLD WARS claim many victims. All the money in the world couldn’t save all the Jews who died in the war. Five times more Russians died and yet Jews are remembered. If the money grubbing cowards stood up and fought, perhaps less would have died. Now the Jews resort to using American firepower to kill the innocent terrorists of Palestine and the rest of the terrorist world. This brings the main point of this blog. Reasons to hate America. The small minority of Jews in this country serve no purpose to the rest of the populace. They only care about the survival of Israel which does not have any right to exist other than to steal land and murder the native people of the land. This does not leave out terrorists. Which is worse? The rat that carries bubonic plague or the flea who transmits it? They both should be destroyed and so is the case with the terrorists which the Jews have created. Middle eastern people aka terrorists have no reason to live in this country. They have no other interest other than to rape the United States and its people of money and resources to bring back to Arabia and fund terrorism to fight the Jews. America has simply become a middleman in between a war of the illegal state of Israel and the rest of Terrorist lands. The whole situation and the downright scum which is Jews and Terrorists warrants another 2 reasons to hate America. |
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*"9/11 is irrelevant to White Nationalism' - but it is all connected, not even pointing out to these shills that 2000+ defenseless White American Citizens were cut down on that day . But they don't give a damn about that minor detail. The question is why were those white citizens defenseless? |
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Is that the best "Jewish Guess" you can come up with? Extreme Temperatures Plenty of physical evidence was found at the WTC atrocity site proving that extreme temperatures were involved. Temperatures far above what are physically possible in a fire using any combination of Jet Fuel and office buildings of any type. Firefighters and Scientists KNOW that EXOTIC INCENDIARY MATERIALS were involved. Witzgall, we know. Steel and Concrete melt at very high temperatures but there is physical evidence that those materials were exposed to temperatures much higher than their melting points. Carbon Steel melts at between 2600° F- 2800° F. The melting point of concrete lies in the range from about 2912° F to about 3182° F. Steel melts BEFORE concrete. This is MUCH HOTTER that Witzgall wants to admit. In fact, the Thermite THEORY........not the Thermite "Guess"...The Thermite Theory places the actual maximum temperatures much higher. Jewish Guess: Deliberate Misdirection At best, Witzgall is “Guessing” at the cause of the heat. I’m being charitable in characterizing Witzgalls post as a “Guess” and not a "Jewish Guess" or “Deliberate Misdirection” in support of The 9/11 Lie A “Guess” is prediction about the outcome of something, typically made without factual evidence to support it, or to reach a partly (or totally) unqualified conclusion. A "Jewish Guess" is a prediction about the outcome of something, intentionally made without factual evidence to support it to intentionally reach a partly (or totally) unqualified conclusion to purposely mislead. A convoluted form of lying. In science, we don’t “Guess”. We formulate theories based on hypotheses verified and validated by observation and experimentation. Theory A theory is a conceptual framework that explains existing observations and predicts new ones. For instance, suppose you see the Sun rise. This is an existing observation which is explained by the theory of gravity proposed by Newton. This theory, in addition to explaining why we see the Sun move across the sky, also explains many other phenomena such as the path followed by the Sun as it moves (as seen from Earth) across the sky, the phases of the Moon, the phases of Venus, the tides, just to mention a few. You can today make a calculation and predict the position of the Sun, the phases of the Moon and Venus, the hour of maximal tide, all 200 years from now. The same theory is used to guide spacecraft all over the Solar System. Hypothesis A hypothesis is a working assumption. Typically, a scientist devises a hypothesis and then sees if it "holds water'' by testing it against available data (obtained from previous experiments and observations). If the hypothesis is supported by experiment, the scientist declares it to be a theory. Steel Not Iron In our discussion of the extreme heat proven to have existed at WTC 1 & 2, we’re talking about Steel. We’re talking about Steel. Not Iron. Iron is not Steel. Iron has different properties than Steel. Iron is an element, steel is an alloy. Steel is made from Iron. It is an alloy made up of iron and carbon. Other metals can also be added to steel to produce alloys with different characteristics. Steel is used extensively in buildings. We use steel instead or iron because its stronger than iron; superior in tension and compression. To simplify, we’re not talking about Iron. Were the Towers made up of Iron? No. We’re talking about Structural Steel Beams. We aren’t even talking about Steel Wool. Did you know that Steel Wool can be ignited when stretched between the anode and cathode of a battery? So what? What does this fact have to do with WTC 1 & 2? Were the Towers made up of Steel Wool? Even if WTC 1 & 2 were made of Steel Wool and soaked in Jet Fuel, could the heat generated upon ignition reach the melting point of Concrete? A question like this is simply ridiculous. But someone who intends to engage in “Deliberate Misdirection” may attempt to draw you into such a discussion as Witzgall does with his “Burning Iron” Guess. Try Again I suppose it's "possible" that Witzgall wasn't posing a "Jewish Guess" as a "Deliberate Misdirection". Maybe the "Guess" was made for some "other" reason. A lack of experience in the application of the Scientific Method maybe? Simply not wanting to entertain the possibility that the "official story" isn't true? Knowledge that The Jewish Nation was involved with specific intent to protect The Jewish Nation from retribution? Witzgall, if you intend reasoned debate and discussion on this or any other subject, please restrict your arguments to those that have some sort of plausible basis. Here's How To Use That Thing Between Your Ears If you need me to draw you a picture about how to approach this question of "What Caused the Heat".......I can do that for you. I suggest you begin by stating your "Hypothesis". Then, support it somehow. If it stands up....we'll declare it a "Theory". A coherent Hypothesis can't be discerned from your post. You mention that "iron burns". The Towers were NOT made of iron so the rest of your incoherent argument is ignored. Try again please. By now, Witzgall, I know you're feeling pretty wounded. I honestly would like to know if you really want to know who murdered all of those people on 9/11 - or if you don't really care and just want to protect Jewish Murderers and The Jewish Nation? Last edited by Pat Healey; December 20th, 2010 at 08:19 AM. |
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only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies.
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I can't say that nothing good has come from that last exchange with Witzgall. As a result, we can now add a new term to the 9/11 lexicon: The Jewish Guess. Here's the definition: Jewish Guess –verb (used with object) 1. to intentionally commit oneself to an opinion about (something) in direct opposition to existing irrefutable evidence supporting another conclusion or opinion to purposely mislead: I tried to throw them off with Jewish Guesses about specific aspects of 9/11. 2. to intentionally estimate or conjecture about incorrectly: to make a Jewish Guess about the cause of the heat at WTC 1 &2. 3. to pretend to think, believe, or suppose that something that is not true is true especially in support of Jewish Lies: I'll continue to make Jewish Guesses about 9/11 until I'm brought to Justice. –verb (used without object) 4. to intentionally form a false estimate or conjecture (often fol. by at or about ): A Jewish Guess is the same as an intentional lie. 5. to intentionally estimate or conjecture incorrectly. –noun 6. an opinion that one reaches or to which one commits oneself with the intent to confuse issues and waste resources in defense of crimes committed by Jews and/or in support of the Jewish Nation especially in the presence of overwhelming evidence suggesting Jewish guilt. 7. the act of intentionally forming such a false, misleading opinion: to take a Jewish Guess at what caused Building 7 to fall. Last edited by Pat Healey; December 14th, 2010 at 10:34 PM. |
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Excellent definition, but it should be called THE JEWISH OBFUSCATORY GUESS.
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Now, back to the subject of "What Caused All That Heat" at WTC 1 & 2... Below we have a link to that paper by Niels H. Harrit, and others, that talks about the Active Thermitic Material found in Dust from the Jewish Crime. Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31 "We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic." So, we know that this Active Thermitic Material was engineered to have a unusually Low Ignition Temperature of around 806 °F. The melting temperature of aluminium is about 580 C (around 1076 F). Try to melt aluminum foil in your own open air fire, using kerosene or gasoline burning in open air. eg. roll up some aluminum foil and expose it to open flames from your gas stove, or fire from a pan full of burning kerosene (any hydrocarbon fuel), where the only source of oxygen is open air. Does the aluminum foil melt and start dripping like a liquid? If so, your air fire is hotter than the melting temperature of aluminum (around 580 C, or 1076 F). Go on, try it! In fact, paper fire burns at Fahrenheit 451 F or about 233 C. Even under strong winds, with lots of extra oxygen supplied, air fires rarely get hotter than 600 C, and can barely melt aluminum or glass. Now the melting temperature of steel (iron+carbon) is around 1532 C, or 2790 F. Concrete melts at an even higher temperature. Iron can only be melted in a specially designed blast furnace (where lots of extra oxygen is pumped into the furnace), or by using an arc or induction furnace. If iron could be melted in a pile on the ground or in any sort of open-air fire, it would be...and there would be little need for blast furnaces. For, example, lead has a very low melting point and is commonly melted and cast into objects by people at home - with no special furnace required. So, that brings me back to the question of "What Caused That Heat"? I think we know. Last edited by Pat Healey; December 15th, 2010 at 09:53 AM. |
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Pat, you're gettin me real riled up!
You don't have a "theory" for what caused all the heat any more than I do - in the quantitative sense. Thermite, thermate, nano-thermite, explosives, these things release energy quickly, but they aren't large, long-term sources of energy of the kind needed to sustain the high temps in the rubble pile that were observed for weeks on end. Ultimately you're gonna need to posit a fuel source to explain that kind of sustained heat emission. If not the steel in the debris, which we've seen can burn at the very high temps that were observed, then what else? I mean, supposing there was some thermite in the rubble pile that somehow wasn't dispersed in the collapse and it reacted with some steel debris, well, that reaction would occur over a period of seconds or minutes, not days and weeks; I would like to see your goddamned model of the rubble pile and your supposed scientific theory, your peer-reviewed paper explaining the reactions and how they account for the high temperatures observed weeks after the collapse - oh, that's right, you don't have one because you're talkin out of your ass again.
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Witzgall, you mental midget, you are wrong on all points. An Iron Oxide/Aluminum type Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite needs NO EXTERNAL OXYGEN to continue it’s exothermic reaction. It can burn under water. It can burn in a debris pile. Once it has burned at temperatures over 5000 degrees Farenheit - underground and had melted steel and concrete...that heat would be fairly well insulated and would cool rather slowly. As we observed. The "recovery operations" would likely expose unreacted Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite to heat sources adequate to ignite them and continue the heat generation. As we observed. Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites Caused the Heat My Theory states that a Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite caused the heat. Iron Oxide/Aluminum type Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite A “PEER REVIEWED PAPER” on this is RIGHT HERE: Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31 My Theory states that FexOy /Al-type Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite caused that heat. X Fe + Y/2 O2 -> FeXOY As shown, FexOy is iron oxide. Al is Aluminum. An FexOy /Al-type Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite is an Iron Oxide/Aluminum type Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite. Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites My Theory states that FexOy /Al pyrotechnic nanocomposite was applied as a “Sol-gel” onto key structures inside both WTC 1 & 2. In addition, explosive charges were used to destroy welded joints within the WTC 1 & 2 supporting structure. Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites can be formulated to achieve accelerated burn rates well into the "high explosive" range. In other words: Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites can AND ARE formulated to burn and melt things or to blow them up. Effects consistent with the above statements were observed. Physical evidence consistent with the above statements were recovered. Effects consistent with oxidation of a Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite were observed. Small fragments of unreacted material with properties consistent with that of a Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite were recovered. Seventeen months before the atrocity, a paper was published concerning Highly Exothermic Nanocomposites From the report by Gash et al. dated April 2000: “Nanostructured composites are multicomponent materials in which at least one of the component phases has one or more dimensions (length, width, or thickness) in the nanometer size range, defined as 1 to 100 nm. Energetic nanocomposites are a class of material that have both a fuel and oxidizer component intimately mixed and where at least one of the component phases meets the size definition. A sol-gel derived pyrotechnic is an example of an energetic nanocomposite, in which metal-oxide nanoparticles react with metals or other fuels in very exothermic reactions. The fuel resides within the pores of the solid matrix while the oxidizer comprises at least a portion of the skeletal matrix.” “As an example, energetic nanocomposites of FexOy and metallic aluminum are easily synthesized. The compositions are stable, safe and can be readily ignited”. Gash AE, Simpson RL, Tillotson TM, Satcher JH, Hrubesh LW. Making nanostructured pyrotechnics in a beaker. pre-print UCRL-JC-137593, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory: Livermore, Ca; April 10, 2000. [Accessed February 7, 2009]. Available from: http://www.osti.gov/energycitation/p...ti_id=15007525 In the same report, the scientists noted that “polymers” can be added to the nanocomposite: “This sol-gel method allows for the addition of insoluble materials (e.g., metals or polymers) to the viscous sol, just before gelation, to produce a uniformly distributed and energetic nanocomposite upon gelation. Al metal (as a fine powder, ~6μm diameter) was added to some FexOy gel syntheses just before gelation to produce FexOy /Al(s) pyrotechnic nanocomposites…. These nanocomposites were subsequently processed to make both a xerogel and aerogel of the material…. The pyrotechnic nanocomposite can be ignited using a propane torch” . Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites Were Found The material found at the atrocity site exhibited properties consistent with a Pyrotechnic Nanocomposite: From the Herrit paper: “Indeed, the red chips can be ignited using a torch and they have properties of a pyrotechnic nanocomposite. All the required ingredients are present – aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon, and carbon – and they are incorporated in such a way that the chip forms (and sometimes ejects) very hot material when ignited. The Gash report describes FTIR spectra which characterize this energetic material. We have performed these same tests and will report the results elsewhere. We note that polymers in the matrix may be responsible for absorption of MEK and the subsequent swelling which we observed.” We know what caused the heat. Now, Witzgall, we patiently await your next round of lame excuses and Jewish Guesses* In Defense of: The 9/11 Lie -------------------------- *Jewish Guess –verb (used with object) 1. to intentionally commit oneself to an opinion about (something) in direct opposition to existing irrefutable evidence supporting another conclusion or opinion to purposely mislead: I tried to throw them off with Jewish Guesses about specific aspects of 9/11. 2. to intentionally estimate or conjecture about incorrectly: to make a Jewish Guess about the cause of the heat at WTC 1 &2. 3. to pretend to think, believe, or suppose that something that is not true is true especially in support of Jewish Lies: I'll continue to make Jewish Guesses about 9/11 until I'm brought to Justice. –verb (used without object) 4. to intentionally form a false estimate or conjecture (often fol. by at or about ): A Jewish Guess is the same as an intentional lie. 5. to intentionally estimate or conjecture incorrectly. –noun 6. an opinion that one reaches or to which one commits oneself with the intent to confuse issues and waste resources in defense of crimes committed by Jews and/or in support of the Jewish Nation especially in the presence of overwhelming evidence suggesting Jewish guilt. 7. the act of intentionally forming such a false, misleading opinion: to take a Jewish Guess at what caused Building 7 to fall. 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But realize, after a short time that heat starts to redestribute throughout the steel and the temperature starts to fall, as well as just radiating away. Now you explain the high temperstures weeks later by saying first of all it was well-insulated - well, you need numbers to back this up - how well-insulated would it need to be? Then you also say there was unreacted nanocomposite - well, obviously there wouldn't be huge amounts of the stuff, or else why were they using so much? How much are you postulating there was? And how did it survive being dispersed in the collapse? You will find, when you truly start developing this into a theory, that there simply is not enough energy in the pyro-nano material for it to be responsible for all the heat (unless you posit crazy amounts of the stuff); you need a fuel source. I am postulating that the fuel source was in fact the steel itself; I haven't found a paper yet that backs me up on this, it's just a hypothesis at this point. I'm disappointed Jones hasn't seemed to pursue this line of thought.
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(Interesting that you choose to ignore the fact that Pyrotechnic Nanocomposites were found. You are ignoring physical evidence. That's ok. Many convicted criminals do the same thing - but it doesn't save them.) |
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