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Old November 13th, 2012 #81
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Every time the north tries to get something going - the National Socialists, the America First Committee, Ron Paul - the South wants nothing to do with helping it, but is willing to help destroy it.
The North never gets anything going ... except more nigger loving, more amnesty for illegal aliens, more government, more feminism, more fag marriage, more cultural degeneracy, more Obama, etc. It consistently pulls the country in ONE DIRECTION.

As for your hero Ron Paul, why didn't Iowa or New Hampshire vote for him? You had your chance. Those states hold the first critical primaries in America. Then the primaries swing through South Carolina and Florida before moving on to a dozen or more Northern states where the race is decided.

Let's try an experiment: DUMP the Northeast, West Coast, and Upper Midwest and see what happens. Problem solved.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #82
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He asked me to debate you. I said I would, on the condition you used your real name. You declined. Then he asked, earlier today, if I would do an (audio) interview alone. I declined, but offered to do a print interview, if he came up with some questions. He declined.
He emailed me the other day.

I replied to his email: anytime. I haven't checked my email since then. I've been too busy following all this stuff going on in the news. But anyway, I don't have the slightest problem doing an interview with Jim Giles using my real name, as everyone (including you) already knows my real name anyway.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #83
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As for your hero Ron Paul, why didn't Iowa or New Hampshire vote for him? Those states hold the first critical primaries in America. Then the primaries swing through South Carolina and Florida before moving on to a dozen or more Northern states where the race is decided.
Vote Fraud Iowa

New Hampshire Vote Fraud

Vote Fraud by Flipping Votes from Paul to Romney

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Old November 13th, 2012 #84
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Every time the north tries to get something going - the National Socialists, the America First Committee, Ron Paul - the South wants nothing to do with helping it, but is willing to help destroy it.
The South relied on the Klan too much for too long.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #85
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The South relied on the Klan too much for too long.
Well, it's damned near every honky for himself now, every swinging dick better get his act together and begin forming very stout alliances, if they intend to survive the coming Union of South Africa scenario the kikes have planned for us.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #86
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How is Ron Paul a Northern try? As stated he won no Northern primaries while running for President so how did the North try? He was however elected and reelected a number of times to Congress from the Southern state of Texas. His son Rand Paul has also been elected to the US Senate from the Southern state of Kentucky.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #87
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How is Ron Paul a Northern try? As stated he won no Northern primaries while running for President so how did the North try? He was however elected and reelected a number of times to Congress from the Southern state of Texas. His son Rand Paul has also been elected to the US Senate from the Southern state of Kentucky.
Ron Paul is originally from the North.

The North tried to support Ron Paul, but the South clearly rejected his platform, except Texas, and since electronic voting is used in the primary states, nobody really knows how a fair election season would have gone. The South uses E-voting almost exclusively, to our detriment.

The voting is rigged, it means only that you have a right to piss your time away voting, for the illusion of having any say in your government.

Vote Fraud Iowa

New Hampshire Vote Fraud

Vote Fraud by Flipping Votes from Paul to Romney

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Old November 13th, 2012 #88
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Rand Paul sold out and endorsed amnesty for illegal aliens today. In the GOP primary, Ron Paul denounced the border fence and compared illegal aliens to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

As for Ron Paul, I voted for him in the 2008 GOP primary. I didn't vote for him in the 2012 GOP primary because he moved to the left on immigration. I don't get why WNs are so in the tank for Ron Paul now considering that his base are college hippies who support drug legalization.

Didn't he deny writing the newsletters? Didn't he say that MLK was his hero?
 
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Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard came up with this strategy of suckering the David Duke crowd into supporting them in the 1990s. They openly threw all their paleocon and racialist supporters overboard after the 2008 election.

I'm surprised Alex hasn't mentioned Justin Raimondo in this thread. That guy is a huge fan of White Nationalism.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #90
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Alex has explicitly stated a number of times that Ron Paul is neither a WN or racialist. What the South didn't care to get about Paul--or maybe they did get, is that he would have made life hell on the jews who own the Federal Reserve. The bible says jews are 'His' people, and he is always on the lookout tempting us to treat them badly. We will then pay in the afterlife. The South has never heard of all this? Or it heaves their nearly every move?
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #91
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Alex has explicitly stated a number of times that Ron Paul is neither a WN or racialist. What the South didn't care to get about Paul--or maybe they did get, is that he would have made life hell on the jews who own the Federal Reserve. The bible says jews are 'His' people, and he is always on the lookout tempting us to treat them badly. We will then pay in the afterlife. The South has never heard of all this? Or it heaves their nearly every move?
I think the South was more worried that a libertarian wingnut like Ron Paul might interfere with them getting their Social Security checks and other entitlements that help a lot of people to survive.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
 
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I guess the real question is, are whites willing to finally understand that we are under full shitskin attack with shitskin kikes leading the charge?

I believe we are, as a race, becoming aware. By the comments section in nearly every germain piece, whites are getting it. That racial cohesion we have needed for decades seems about to come through the skin and errupt.

We cannot allow our country to be destroyed by the jews, we must fight back regardless of the costs. They must be taken out like all the other trash.

First media and government hacks of every stripe, then the kike population, extreme prejudice in return for their extreme prejudice.
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I think the South was more worried that a libertarian wingnut like Ron Paul might interfere with them getting their Social Security checks and other entitlements that help a lot of people to survive.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
IMO Paul's campaign failure had more to do with neo-khan jews and shabbat goys sabotage with voter fraud, rather than any real voter disagreements.

Also, Paul made it pretty clear that he was gonna cut neo-khan war spending and attack the FED, first and foremost, before going after entitlements.

In other words, you cannot believe the people counting the vote. Heck, I know this is anecdotal, but just talking to folk day by day, I noted FAR more support for Ron Paul than any of the other candidates.... and this is a man who was basically blacklisted from the Jews media.
 
Old November 13th, 2012 #93
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IMO Paul's campaign failure had more to do with neo-khan jews and shabbat goys sabotage with voter fraud, rather than any real voter disagreements.

Also, Paul made it pretty clear that he was gonna cut neo-khan war spending and attack the FED, first and foremost, before going after entitlements.

In other words, you cannot believe the people counting the vote. Heck, I know this is anecdotal, but just talking to folk day by day, I noted FAR more support for Ron Paul than any of the other candidates.... and this is a man who was basically blacklisted from the Jews media.
Right here. The South loves their wars for Izzyhell, sacrificing themselves for the rat-faced chosenites. Christ-insanity is strong among these people. Killing prepubescent dune coon Moozlums makes them feel tough and manly. Ron Paul wanted to take that away.
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Old November 14th, 2012 #94
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The North never gets anything going ... except more nigger loving, more amnesty for illegal aliens, more government, more feminism, more fag marriage, more cultural degeneracy, more Obama, etc. It consistently pulls the country in ONE DIRECTION.
It's not the north, it's one strain, which dominates the northern common people just as it dominates the south. Regular Californians or Arizonans vote to do away with illegal alien benefits, some federal judge throws it out. Whites in all kinds of northern states vote against anti-white discrimination (affirmative action), they even get court decisions, federal judges reverse the decisions.

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As for your hero Ron Paul, why didn't Iowa or New Hampshire vote for him? You had your chance. Those states hold the first critical primaries in America. Then the primaries swing through South Carolina and Florida before moving on to a dozen or more Northern states where the race is decided.
You quibble over details and miss the bigger picture. I'm not asserting Ron Paul would have won the nomination, I'm asserting:

1) his program is the most pro-Southern set of policies out there - objectively - if your stated goal is secession/decentralization

2) RP had more support in the North than in the South - particularly among the young and angry any true revolution needs

3) The Republicans -- the technicians supporting Romney, the Southerners' pick, like McCain before him -- had to cheat to prevent RP from...who knows? But in any case doing considerably better than he did do, which was quite impressive

4) Ditto the mass media

The RP campaign was reminiscent of nothing so much as both parties and the mass media ganging up to defeat David Duke. The South, which you seem to believe favors secession because a bunch of people who might or might not be who they say they are sign a petition, could have voted for Ron Paul, or Virgil Goode, but did not. You trumpet their vote for a Massachusetts liberal as a triumph of racial sanity. One's mind boggles at the irony.

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Let's try an experiment: DUMP the Northeast, West Coast, and Upper Midwest and see what happens. Problem solved.
Yes...who do you think doesn't understand this? The point is THEY AREN'T GOING TO LET YOU.

So what's your plan?

Crickets.

Your plan is the same as most WN: wait for breakdown.

What's so funny about the perfervidity with which you've pressed the theme of the South voting for the Massachusetts liberal whiteskin and the North not is that if two northern states, lets say Va. and Fla., had flipped, then your "white man" would have been elected.

And then...what?

The same thing we get now.

The only thing different would have been the leftists would have been crying rather than gloating. But every other policy and demographic trend would have remained virtually unchanged with the possible exception we would eventually have gone to war against Iran too.

You're overreacting. As usual. This election meant nothing other than one liberal got a couple more percentage points than another liberal in a couple of swing states. Nothing fundamental was at stake, and it's anti-White to pretend it was.

But I hear we're going to have a debate next week. That will be a good time to discuss it.

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Old November 14th, 2012 #95
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The South relied on the Klan too much for too long.
The problem for all of us is gaining an accurate understanding of what is actually going on. That is easier in the age of the internet than ever before. The particular problem of the South, speaking generally, is its people are too easily satisfied with the answers they receive from those they look to as legitimate authorities. Of course, that's the problem elsewhere too; I just think a greater percentage of the population is wiling to question received wisdom outside the South.
 
Old November 14th, 2012 #96
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How is Ron Paul a Northern try? As stated he won no Northern primaries while running for President so how did the North try? He was however elected and reelected a number of times to Congress from the Southern state of Texas. His son Rand Paul has also been elected to the US Senate from the Southern state of Kentucky.
He is from Pennsylvania; the irony is I proclaim him a Southerner by dint of his living in Texas for decades, while Jethro retorts that he is a Northerner, since he originated in Pennsylvania.

Paul allowed racist arguments repeatedly in his own newsletter, and that he later ran from them in a manner most cowardly does not change the fact that he knows the facts about race (remember, he is a medical doctor). A guy who is a closet racist and public decentralist and Fed- and instigationist opponent ought to be everything true Southerners want - yet they prefer the likes of a vicious anti-white, pro-mud warmonger like McCain or a raceless Massachusetts liberal like Romney.
 
Old November 14th, 2012 #97
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Rand Paul sold out and endorsed amnesty for illegal aliens today. In the GOP primary, Ron Paul denounced the border fence and compared illegal aliens to the Jews in Nazi Germany.
In other words, RP says the same positions on race and immigration that Romney does. It's where they differ that matters. The South elected to vote for the big-government guy, the warmonger, the Massachusetts liberal rather than the Texas libertarian. This is why men like me don't take the South seriously, except as a not very funny joke.

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As for Ron Paul, I voted for him in the 2008 GOP primary. I didn't vote for him in the 2012 GOP primary because he moved to the left on immigration. I don't get why WNs are so in the tank for Ron Paul now considering that his base are college hippies who support drug legalization.
Drug legalization is cop disempowerment. That's good. And no, that's far from the main reason people support him. His support comes from successful, intelligent white adults WHO WANT TO BE TREATED AS ADULTS. That truly is the secret of his success. People who request of the state not that it employ them or kiss their owies, but that it leave them the fk alone.

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Didn't he deny writing the newsletters? Didn't he say that MLK was his hero?
Yes. And he wounded his reputation and vitiated his campaign by lowering himself to the level of every other democratic politician: garden-variety liar.

The point is not that RP is great or even good. It's that he alone supports three causes - sound money, MYOB foreign policy and free association - that would restore the South its lost freedom. Regardless of what he says about race. That's the thing about libertarians - RP is not trying to force his opinion of race on you; under his system you are free to exercise discrimination because your Constitutional right to free association has been restored. You can't get anything better than that inside the current 'democratic' System.

And remember it's you, not me, who has said he has no fundamental problem with the system as such, which makes your lack of enthusiasm for Ron Paul even stranger.

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Old November 14th, 2012 #98
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Default rights don't come from government

. . .because your right to free association has been recognized. . .

We have the right NOW even though not recognized.

"Constitutional right" implies a grant (permission) from the state.

The right to free association is already included under the basic right- self ownership. The latter should be proclaimed.

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Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard came up with this strategy of suckering the David Duke crowd into supporting them in the 1990s. They openly threw all their paleocon and racialist supporters overboard after the 2008 election.

I'm surprised Alex hasn't mentioned Justin Raimondo in this thread. That guy is a huge fan of White Nationalism.
He hates it, of course. As a queer of jewish descent and Pat Buchanan booster, why wouldn't he? It threatens his occupation, his hobby, his mindshare and potentially his income. But he's not honest. He has deliberately hidden the Mossad production values behind '9/11.' So why would he be relevant? He's not. We can benefit from whatever details of foreign-policy skulduggery he unearths; beyond that, he's a peevish queer with no relevance to our cause.

Libertarians present no threat to WN. They don't call themselves WN (as anti-White Jared Taylor does). They don't make the same arguments we do (as the conservatives sometimes do). They don't have the guts to talk about race. So no one confuses them with us. They can't steal our thunder. But we could steal theirs. And it would work, because a fool or small child can see that the adult freedoms they advocate (I do not use adult as a jew does, to refer to things sexual or drug/drink-related [altho some of those are involved], but to real political freedoms) are only possible in a white racial context. Even libertarians know that. Sometimes they get exasperated enough to type it. Then Lewpus finds them "too hot" and cans them. It's funny and pathetic. But irrelevant. The adult freedoms they describe, and, simply, the impressive ways in which they live their lives - thinking carefully about all that they put in their mouths and their brains - are exemplary on an individual level. And white nationalism is not just about the WHITE man but about the white MAN, though this latter is usually forgotten by run of the mill NS or Rebel types. We can steal the libertarians' thunder (their appeal to whites as adult men who want to be left alone in peace and freedom) and there's nothing they can do about it save add racial appeal to their other appeals, which they will never do because then they will come under the same anathema WN do. What's funny about the strong hostility toward libertarians from you and many others is that you never pause to think that men and women who exhibit more exacting and higher-level discrimination in every aspect of their lives than 90% of WN do would somehow be less discriminating in matters of race.

It's the conservatives that you, Jethro, mix openly with who present the threat. They can steal from us, and benefit themselves, without ever helping our cause. Pat Buchanan is the prime example of this. There is little we can or need steal from this group intellectually, we just need ordinary non-intellectual conservatives to realize that the world they want to live in is a function of race. Not of religion or sound social policy, but race alone. Only bold serious straight-eyed men speaking under their own name can breach the taboos and reach them.

Only serious claims serious. That's why I'm delighted you've agreed to debate under your real name. It will be real personal growth and progress for you, and you will be taken more seriously, and take yourself more seriously.

Conservatives can hurt us because they are making similar appeals to our own. But never direct. Only by codes and implication. It never works to defeat the left - which goes immediately and directly after the target, by labeling and destroying it as 'racist.' But it does work to keep Joe Scaredycat in the fold. By fooling him. By getting him to think there's a clever rather than a courageous way out of our national problems. By telling him the soft-cotton lies of universalist individualism, which are backed by his church.

We must have no truck with these conservatives. They are a more dangerous enemy than illiberals and their boss jews when it comes to building our team and declaring our agenda. They make us invisible. Just go read the left. They don't see any difference between Mitt Romney, Brad Griffin, Joseph Goebbels, Richard Nixon - they're all the same. They hate Southrons (and Nazis) with extra sauce, but that's just because Hitler's Reich and the Old South were two places where men conscious of the value of race actually held political power. Ultimately leftist, judeo-leftist, hatred is not for this or that politics but for our very kind. Their assault is not regional, it's not even national. It's international, supranational - global. And so we must lift our heads and see what's going on, and respond accordingly.

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Old November 14th, 2012 #100
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Right here. The South loves their wars for Izzyhell, sacrificing themselves for the rat-faced chosenites. Christ-insanity is strong among these people. Killing prepubescent dune coon Moozlums makes them feel tough and manly. Ron Paul wanted to take that away.
Thad, I've watched you repeat this drivel for the umpteenth time, and it has been bullshit from the start.

Southerners are loyal to the people and fight to protect them, while metrosexual yankers disco. Yes, they believe in honor, and serving is an honorable way for them to serve as well as leave the backwater places they live.

They believe they serve so you can lay your head down safely at night, so you can just shut the fuck up about it.

I believe far more in their honor than your assessment of it.
 
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