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Johnson is a page fascist, but not a street fascist, hence not a real fascist. He is a WN, but functionally he's a conservative. That's what I've maintained. We will get into this, not just in relation to him, but in relation to the original NS and today's Golden Dawn. |
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When the Jews were still in Poland and Russia (most of them wouldn't show up in America until the 1880s and 1890s), Yankees were already forcing blacks on the South. They had already made blacks into citizens. They had already used their military to put South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Florida under black majority rule. Just read James S. Pike's The Prostrate State: South Carolina Under Negro Government to learn more about what happened when Yankees imposed Black Run Amerika on the South the first time around: http://books.google.com/books?id=Y04...page&q&f=false |
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- It means that White Southerners are more resistant to things like gay marriage, abortion, feminism. - The lack of Christianity and conservatism in the Northeast means that Yankees are solidly in favor of gay marriage, abortion, and feminism. They are also far more likely to support Democrats who are explicitly anti-White and explicitly in favor of Third World immigration. Quote:
Quite the opposite: the decline of Christianity means that Whites become more inclined, not less, to support cultural degeneracy in the form of things like gay marriage, abortion, feminism, etc. Quote:
In fact, when you look at White America as a whole, you will find that the only Whites that Obama still really has much appeal to are the anti-Christian Whites who live in those areas. He won over the White majority in New England and Washington and Oregon. Quote:
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2.) The League of the South (LoS) and the Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC) are not raceless. 3.) Both of these organizations are fully aware of the Jewish Question. Quote:
2.) The men in the Northeast have demonstrated to us time and again that they are on the side of the blacks, not on the side of Southern Whites. Quote:
1.) There are more people in the Texas Nationalist Movement, Council of Conservative Citizens, and the League of the South than any comparable White Nationalist organization. 2.) There are more people who are sympathetic to secession in Texas and the Lower South than anywhere else in America. Quote:
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1.) Where is the proposed White ethnostate to be located in the real world? 2.) What ethnicity is to be the basis of this proposed ethnostate? 3.) What process will create this White ethnostate? 4.) What is the name of the White Nationalist ethnostate? Golden Dawn doesn't have any problem answering those questions: Greece, the Greeks, taking over the Greek government, Greece. Then again, Golden Dawn isn't trying to create a proposition nation like White Nationalists. They are Greek nationalists who identify with their real nation like Southern Nationalists. |
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1) South didn't have to buy nigs in the first place 2) South could have killed the few million nigs when it became clear the cause was indeed lost 3) the South knew the North was run by a STRAIN of vindictive, CHRISTIAN do-gooding moralizers The South's entire resistance is: the North (or that small subset of the north which nevertheless dominates it) SHOULD stop being moralizing, do-gooding, South-hating bastards. Yet the north keeps on not changing. So the South keeps suffering. There has to be a better way. The better way is not expecting "the North" to change, but to recognize the north is no monolith, and that there are, in absolute numbers, more northern men who feel the way most Southerners do about the basic stuff, including race, and finding some way to work with them to create a combination that can overthrow the Yankee strain - which is in any case less powerful than the jews, by far, at this point. Quote:
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These are serious people you are up against, they are not ass-clowns. To take the top example, they don't whine about Yankees and then join the military. As your two top Southern posters do (Stonelifter and Apuleius). Quote:
We face a global, racial problem, not an ethnic problem. Whatever was true before 1900, the jews have been in the driver's seat for well over 100 years. They are who we must deal with, and the South is but one small part of their overriding scheme to genocide white men. You don't have to deal with that, of course, but all it means is limiting the talent pool. Quote:
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Everything the jews did here was done in Germany in the second half of the 1800s, and was already thought about and written about at length by what came to be called 'anti-semites.' Half the major WASP NE fanatics were over in Germany getting Ph.Ds and picking up crank ideas, so it's not like jews were without influence even when their numbers were few. Last edited by Alex Linder; November 18th, 2012 at 12:42 PM. |
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A couple of pre-debate thoughts
Mr Linder: I appreciate the debate as a way to work through differences, but I am more interested in the "working group" aspect of this encounter, where we can come out with some plans for further action. Time surely is of the essence here, no?
Question 1: Which would you prefer to live in a an all white, all christian society? Or a multicutural society where people shared all of your other views? I often ask racialists who claim to be christian the same question in reverse, just to see where they really stand. I am not a christian, more of a deist, but I would gladly live in an all christian society, provided it was white. Q2: Would you work in a broad coalition that would include libertarians, infowarriors, Ron Paul types, free republic types, Christians, mormons, etc if it would lead to secession without explicit race segregation at first? Would you anticipate that secession without explicit racial separatism would within a decade or so yield actual separatism? Q3: I really appreciated Goyfire, are you ready to do more video/audio work? Could this debate and the fact that we have a path to victory lead to more such activity from yourself? Regards. |
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I would sure like to see you guys pontificate about what a white-less world would look like.
Intellectual stagnation De-industrialization Whites, in the animal world, are the beavers of civilization, the builders which all others depend upon, either directly or indirectly. Just imagine a world with only niggers and jews, unimaginable and disgusting. A civilization of kings and slaves, without the imagination and continuity of whites, would be hell on earth. The jews do worship Satan and want to emulate his depravity. I'm quite sure y'all can come up with some better visions. |
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1.) If memory serves, 90% of Southerners in Congress voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but 80% to 90% of Northerners and Westerners voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that's why it passed. 2.) If you check the Congressional Record, you will find that the South also voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the Civil Rights Act of 1960, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968. 3.) Why do we have all of those federal civil rights laws in the South? Quite simply, it is because Northerners overwhelmingly voted to pass the civil rights legislation, and since White Southerners are a minority in Congress, the Civil Rights Movement was a success rather than a failure. 4.) White Southerners voted against Ted Kennedy's Immigration Act of 1965. That also passed Congress because Northerners overwhelmingly voted for it because "America is a Nation of Immigrants." Quote:
2.) The South didn't have a problem with blacks until the Northeast felt compelled to reward them with American citizenship and voting rights after arming 200,000 of them to destroy the Confederacy. 3.) The vindictive, Christian, Yankee do-gooding moralizers triumphed in the North in the 1820s and 1830s during the Second Great Awakening. The Union was created in 1789. Quote:
I think it would be ludicrous to create a "White ethnostate" with the Northeast considering how successfully they undermined and destroyed the previous "White Republic." Quote:
Who is to say that Yankee negrophilia wouldn't flare back up again in another revival? Because that is exactly what happened after the Second World War and that is exactly why we are all living under President Barack Obama. Quote:
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They see eye to eye on all the most important racial and cultural issues. The reigning mythology on WN internet forum is that Yankees and Jews are somehow opposed to each other, but in the real world they are best friends and political allies and line up on the same side against the South in every national election. Yankees like John Dewey and William Lloyd Garrison, Jr. were co-founders of the NAACP with W.E.B. DuBois and its more well known Jewish supporters. Quote:
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Unlike the Christians, the liberals and the atheists don't have any problem with diversity or with cultural degeneracy. They are supportive of both! Quote:
Every Jew in the U.S. Senate is from the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West. The overwhelming majority of Jews in the House are also from the Northeast, the Midwest, or the West. The Northeast doesn't just kiss Jewish ass. In states like New York and Connecticut and New Jersey, they actually elect Jews to serve as their representatives in Congress. If the South seceded from the United States, the overwhelming majority of the Jews in America would be left behind in the Union, and those that are here would pack their bags in move to the Northeast because of their fear of Southern Christians. Quote:
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Philadelphia had one of the largest free black populations in the North. The Quakers succeeded in repealing Pennsylvania's anti-miscegenation law. Even Benjamin Franklin was convinced that blacks were his equals. Quote:
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That was Franz Boas's base of operations. Harvard, Princeton, Yale and the rest of the Ivy League wouldn't become dominated by Jews until after the Second World War when "meritocracy" was adopted after Hitler discredited anti-Semitism. Quote:
By the 1920s, Jews had a stranglehold on Germany. I have seen the statistics somewhere. They dominated the professions and the economy. Even Hitler didn't challenge them head on until well after he was in power. Kristallnacht was in 1938. Quote:
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We think about it all the time here. The result of that war and especially the aftermath of that war - when Yankees put much of the South under black majority rule for nearly a decade - left a vivid impression on the South and its infamy shaped attitudes toward the North here for generations. That experience was not something that was easily forgotten. |
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In this review, I will show where Kaufmann goes wrong — mainly by committing sins of omission in ignoring the Jewish role in the decline of Anglo-America. But it must be said that he provides a fascinating historical overview of the decline of Whites in the US. As he notes, it was not very long ago that America strongly asserted that it was a nation of Northwestern Europeans and intended to stay that way. The 1924 Johnson-Reed Act was carefully designed to preserve the ethnic status quo as of 1890, thereby ensuring the dominance of Anglo-Americans. In 1952, the McCarran-Walter Act reiterated the bias toward Northwestern Europe and was passed over President Truman’s veto.
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http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-Kaufmann.html
Eric P. Kaufmann’s The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America presents the case that Anglo-America committed what one might call “suicide by idea”: White, Anglo-Saxon Protestants were motivated to give up ethnic hegemony by their attachment to Enlightenment ideals of individualism and liberty. Anglo-Americans simply followed these ideals of the Enlightenment to their logical conclusion, with the result that immigration was opened up to all peoples of the world, multiculturalism became the cultural ideal, and Whites willingly allowed themselves to be displaced from their preeminent position among the elites of business, media, politics, and the academic world. Kaufmann explicitly rejects the proposal that the decline of Anglo-America occurred as a result of some external force. His view is therefore an important contrast to my view that the rise of Jews to elite status in the United States and particular Jewish intellectual and political movements (e.g., the movement to open immigration to all the peoples of the world) were critically necessary (not sufficient) conditions for the collapse of White America. My view is that the outcome was the result of ethnic conflict over the construction of culture. Indeed, the fall of Anglo-Saxon America is a textbook case of how deadly the conflict over the construction of culture can be. In this review, I will show where Kaufmann goes wrong — mainly by committing sins of omission in ignoring the Jewish role in the decline of Anglo-America. But it must be said that he provides a fascinating historical overview of the decline of Whites in the US. As he notes, it was not very long ago that America strongly asserted that it was a nation of Northwestern Europeans and intended to stay that way. The 1924 Johnson-Reed Act was carefully designed to preserve the ethnic status quo as of 1890, thereby ensuring the dominance of Anglo-Americans. In 1952, the McCarran-Walter Act reiterated the bias toward Northwestern Europe and was passed over President Truman’s veto. But only a decade later, in the 1960s, White America began the process of ethnic and cultural suicide: By the 1960s, as if by magic, the centuries-old machinery of WASP America began to stall like the spacecraft of Martian invaders in the contemporary hit film, War of the Worlds. In 1960, the first non-Protestant president was elected. In 1965, the national origins quota regime for immigration was replaced by a “color-blind” system. Meanwhile, Anglo-Protestants faded from the class photos of the economic, political, and cultural elite — their numbers declining rapidly, year upon year, in the universities, boardrooms, cabinets, courts, and legislatures. At the mass level, the cords holding Anglo-Protestant Americans together began to unwind as secular associations and mainline churches lost millions of members while the first truly national, non-WASP cultural icons appeared. (pp. 2–3) While it is certainly true that other ethnic groups have gone into historical decline or have been replaced by force, the decline of Anglo-America seems mysterious. There are no conquering armies that would easily explain their impending exit from the stage of history. But despite its obvious importance as an historical phenomenon, as Kaufmann notes, there has been almost no academic attention to the causes of this very precipitous decline. Perhaps some things are better left unsaid, at least until the losers of this revolution are safely relegated to a powerless position. . . . [More here: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...-Kaufmann.html ] |
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Kaufmann doesn't ignore the Jewish role in that book. He discusses the Jewish role and the Yankee role and their symbiosis. Even KMac acknowledges this in his review. It's a very good book. Check it out.
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I'm here in Oregon, but this is a photo of me in Virginia in 2008 at the Marr Monument.
As I hope the image suggests no lack of respect for my Southern ancestors, but I also know they would respect my need to move on with the passage of time, just like they had done after Culloden. Gate, Gate, Paragate, Para Sam gate Bodhi svaha |
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That's a good picture, Jimmy.
In the Pacific Northwest, your problem is squarely the Whites who live in Portland-Eugene and Seattle. The area to the east of the Cascades and south of Eugene and north of San Francisco is your only shot at creating a Northwest Republic. |
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You remind me, Jethro, of one of those cartoon characters who climbs out on a tree limb and begins energetically sawing it off between himself and the trunk.
You promote Southern identity, while advocating secession. How will you be Southern when you're not American? Wouldn't it make more sense to release your sense of American identity in order make room for what you really are? White. |
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Dixie can afford to cede the three Beltway counties in NOVA (Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William), the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, and South Florida. Kentucky, West Virginia, South Missouri, and Oklahoma will follow the rest of the South out of the Union this time.
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