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Old March 24th, 2008 #1
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Default Would a WN government be totalitarian?

I've been pondering this question for awhile now since I've started reading these boards, and the recent argument over Jett Rink made me think of it again today, as some people have called for his banning for having an unpopular opinion.

I realize a true all White government would have ground rules about race, intermarriage etc. and how those could be crimes,, which I would agree with. But what past that?

I've read quite a few posts from people that say this and that won't be allowed in an all White government; and truthfully I would hope those people would never be in a position of authority over me. We complain about the totalitarian type behavior of the ZOG government in power now, yet from my observations an all WN government would be the same, or worse, if I base that on some of the posts and articles I've seen here and on other pro White sites. Some of them pretty outlandish.

What would the perfect White government be like? The one's the founding fathers envisioned? Or the empire they rebelled against?

I would only hope if we did have the chance to start over, we would have the sense to write, in stone, provisions to keep the jew out, as history has shown the minute they show up it starts to go down hill fast, yet keep our basic freedoms and not be executed or banished for having an unpopular opinion.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #2
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Well, you can readily see that "democracy" is a completely failed idea. If you are going to have a controlled society with regard to common values, standards and racial purity you are obviously going to have to put controls in place. This country did pretty well on those fronts for a long time but, as was inevitable, as more and wider flung "freedom" was brought in and the wrong racial groups were allowed increasingly to come in everything began to break down. I have no liking for the iron grip of totalitarianism either and I think it is likewise destined for nothing but constant turmoil and failure, but certain strict requirements must be present and enforced if you are going to have a healthy, functioning and prosperous white society. As I said, this country was pretty close to that a long time ago.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #3
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Hitler was not a totalitarian. He was just a German nationalist leader and wanted what was best for Germany. I am not sure if that is what you were trying to indicate, but one could not even call him a dictator either. The ones in the name of deMOCKracy(Jews, lackeys) are the ones who dictate.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #4
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WN government would be aristocratic, not democratic. It would not be totalitarian. It would be dictatorial on matters related to race, because race is an either-or proposition. Either you tolerate race mixing, or the state protects the race and interests of its members.

But a WN government would certainly stay OUT of health care, mail, and everything else governments do well nowhere.

Those who favor state-run industry and all the protections socialist governments claim to offer but don't - that has nothing to do with the WN I advocate.

Too many WN are simply dumb people who for some reason or other have stumbled onto the truth about jews or race. But that doesn't mean they understand that the rest of the jew-liberal program can't work either.

A WN ignoring economic law is only marginally better than a libertarian ignoring biological law.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #5
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The best run White nations are basically composed of people like Linders. They are intellectually superior and basically honest, quiet, serious, essentially private people - see Switzerland for an example of the type of culture they produce. They are not greedy grasping moral-crusading hypocrites and terrorists like you see in countries with British cultures, such as America.

Truly White politics, with the jewish threat ended, and the muds out of our living space, will be decentralized. That is the natural direction White political evolution takes. It is the only 'system' that allows Whites to do what they do not only best but uniquely compared to other races: individuate.

That's the paradox of our situation, one that becomes very clear when you read the famous blog "stuff white people like." Whites by nature are driven to compete with each other, and to outdo one another. This propensity can work against the interests of the whole, to the point where the entire civilization can collapse, since the whites are so individuated they mix in with the stagnant dullards known as the mud races.

What is best for our future, and the world's, is to keep the stagnant races out of the creative race. The creative race will protect it's territory, and that will be the ONLY function of the government. Beneath that cover, Whites will run their various small states the way they see fit. They will be as large or small as makes sense.

This is the ideal. It can be approached, even realized to an extent. Of course, the proclivity of some whites to powermonger and centralize will never go away. Will always need to be fought. Whites are not entirely free of the nigger's big man syndrome. But what is particulary White about us is that we can tolerate dissent, we can see different perspectives and we can give even our opponents certain freedoms. This site is the Whites on the Internet for just that reason: you can express your opinion, and no paranoid clique pursuring vendettas is allowed to drive the good people off.

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Old March 24th, 2008 #6
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The White race -- alone -- embodies the principle of the quest. Whites don't stay in one place. They change. They change because they are driven by their minds and spirits to discover new things, new goals, new possibilities, and to chase them. This is not the case with blacks and browns, and not really the case with yellows either. Blacks and browns - if you go to Africa ten thousand years ago, you'll see exactly what you see today, apart from the infrastructure Whites built.

A White state removes race as a factor. The lowest common denominator shoots to the sky, as we don't have to listen to life-killing nigger rap, or worry about carjackings, or the eternally gaping test-score gap.

Whites develop their arts and sciences and live happily ever after.

We have no power now, but the way out is clear. What we face is a technical problem that is difficult in one sense but easy in another.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #7
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A democracy is as good as the education of the people, so that has proven to be a spectacular failure, and I think the founders knew it. Aristocracies have shown to be the most successful and long lived forms of government, but can turn just as bad as a democracy if the wrong people are in power.

My point of view has more to do with the current figures in the WN movement, which in my limited exposure has just been on the message boards; but since these same people frequent the message boards or have written articles online I can read what they're saying. Some of them give me great hope, and I think should be in leadership positions and have great insight, but I also see a lot that are in those positions and shouldn't be. I would fear the day they could possibly be put into a position of power under the right circumstances, (if the current system collapses).
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #8
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What would the perfect White government be like?

White

That might seem like an overly simple answer, but when you think about it it's the right one.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #9
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I tend to agree with Alex on this one. Whites being in control of our destiny is the whole argument.

I firmly believe ANY form of government totally controlled by whites that have white interest as the core principle is preferable to what we have.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #10
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What would the perfect White government be like?

White

That might seem like an overly simple answer, but when you think about it it's the right one.
That may be a simple answer but it is essentially correct.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #11
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I've read quite a few posts from people that say this and that won't be allowed in an all White government; and truthfully I would hope those people would never be in a position of authority over me.
What was "this" and "that" exactly?

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We complain about the totalitarian type behavior of the ZOG government in power now, yet from my observations an all WN government would be the same, or worse, if I base that on some of the posts and articles I've seen here and on other pro White sites. Some of them pretty outlandish.
First of all, it would never be "worse". That's a strong word to use. Anything to end this multiracial nightmare and to secure a future for our race.

Anyone who would ever choose the current government over some of our own misguided, although hopefully well meaning people, must not be real sure about what they want exactly.

Conditions conditions....I want to preserve the White race BUT...there's always a fucking "but".

Don't take that the wrong way. I'm not trying to start a fight, but this is something that has bothered me about our cause for some time now. People don't seem to really know what they want. In fact, calling it "our cause" is hard because everyone seems to have different priorities.


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What would the perfect White government be like? The one's the founding fathers envisioned? Or the empire they rebelled against?
Those aren't the only 2 choices. Also, we could invent a new way of doing things. After all, that's what White people do. We're constantly thinking and constantly trying to improve our situation. We craft ideologies and different forms of government according to whatever cards the times we live in have dealt us.


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I would only hope if we did have the chance to start over, we would have the sense to write, in stone, provisions to keep the jew out, as history has shown the minute they show up it starts to go down hill fast, yet keep our basic freedoms and not be executed or banished for having an unpopular opinion.
No offense but it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. I don't know if you could ever call a WN country "free" simply because nonwhites would not be allowed in and intermarriage, homosexuality, the promotion of destructive ideas and lifestyles couldn't be tolerated. However, that doesn't mean we have to be "totalitarian".

I don't know. It's a good question.
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Old March 24th, 2008 #12
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Too many WN are simply dumb people who for some reason or other have stumbled onto the truth about jews or race. But that doesn't mean they understand that the rest of the jew-liberal program can't work either.

WNs are after all, only human beings.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #13
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I think in an ideal situation where Whites world wide are left to govern themselves that government should be as localized as possible and that White jurisdictions should, through a system of accreditation, recognize and extend full faith and credit to each other wherever their geographic location. That large nation-states should never again be allowed to threaten and disturb the peace and tranquility of White people by means of internecine warfare. That natural rights, such as the right of free travel and the right of common and self defense be respected and encouraged everywhere. I think that White societies forming organically would preclude the rise of onerous and totalitarian government! People would be free to either vote with their feet or remove a would-be dictator before he could do much damage!
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Old March 24th, 2008 #14
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Well, yes, a whites only government - along with a whites only society - IS the obvious and only answer, but it is not a complete enough answer.

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This is the ideal. It can be approached, even realized to an extent. Of course, the proclivity of some whites to powermonger and centralize will never go away. Will always need to be fought. Whites are not entirely free of the nigger's big man syndrome. But what is particulary White about us is that we can tolerate dissent, we can see different perspectives and we can give even our opponents certain freedoms. This site is the Whites on the Internet for just that reason: you can express your opinion, and no paranoid clique pursuring vendettas is allowed to drive the good people off.
Greed, power lust and self-interest are not strangers to the white race and unless effectively, relentlessly checked somehow, these qualities, like the jew, are deadly once allowed to take root and flourish. Different opinions certainly can be tolerated without endless persecution, but some of those can reach a point at which you may find it necessary to put on some brakes. Your new society is going to require constant vigilence to maintain itself and it is wise to plan for that. Whites can be trusting, happy go lucky creatures sometimes and it can be a real achilles heel.

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The best run White nations are basically composed of people like Linders. They are intellectually superior and basically honest, quiet, serious, essentially private people - see Switzerland for an example of the type of culture they produce. They are not greedy grasping moral-crusading hypocrites and terrorists like you see in countries with British cultures, such as America.
Well, when you are installed HRH, it will be necessary to look into a cloning program to ensure a very long and successful reign after your initial demise.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #15
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They are not greedy grasping moral-crusading hypocrites and terrorists like you see in countries with British cultures, such as America.
But this is what I most love about my country and its history; how a bunch of moron Anglo-Saxons and Celts managed to rule the world; and if the English speaking countries ever do become WN, I hope that after a short period of laying low, we yet again start dominating and bullying foreigners. I also hope that we take up the practice of piracy, but perhaps this time in space.
 
Old March 24th, 2008 #16
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Well, yes, a whites only government - along with a whites only society - IS the obvious and only answer, but it is not a complete enough answer.
It's more complete than you think, if you give thought to it

What is the main problems with our countries today?

It is the foreign and alien elements grafted on to them.

Think of a garden, think of a beautiful flower, choked to death by a parasitic weed, and that is our modern countries.

That flower doesn't need to be told how to grow, it grows the way it does, because it's the right way to grow, all it needs is for someone to remove the parasitic weed.

Likewise we don't need to be told how to be White, we are White, we've spent thousands of years evolving, all we need is for our own parasitic weeds to be removed, so we can get back to growing naturally.

We don't need complicated systems, or bureaucracy, we don't need strange, foreign, imported religions, or economic systems, we just need to be left to do what White people do.

We just need the opportunity to be ourselves, and security measures in place to stop the parasitic weeds returning, most of the rest will take care of itself.

All we need is to be White.
 
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...and if the English speaking countries ever do become WN, I hope that after a short period of laying low, we yet again start dominating and bullying foreigners...
Fuck that. In other words repeat cycle...

No, if we want something they have we better wipe them out. Don't allow your spoiled, sensitized posterity show mercy and compassion for them ever again.
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Likewise we don't need to be told how to be White, we are White, we've spent thousands of years evolving, all we need is for our own parasitic weeds to be removed, so we can get back to growing naturally.
Good words. We need to get rid of the shit stirrers, the insane, the degenerates, harmful deviants, those adverse to work, the bureaucrats, the divisive and spiteful, and the self serving power mongers amongst us. In short, anyone who would join the jew when given the chance for self gain.
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Old March 24th, 2008 #19
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WNs are after all, only human beings.
Yes, that's true. This is why reading the best conservatives is necessary. It shows the limits of politics. WN is not simply conservatism that is honest on race, as a practical matter. Too many WN hold essentially uptopian beliefs about the capability of government. They think it's just a matter of having the right people running the show, then we can build the New Aryan Man. That is wrong.
 
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Belief in government is a form of religion, and too many WN belong to this church.
 
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