#1 Hal Turner Thread: Former FBI informant Hal Turner released from prison

[The Bobster]

I often wonder how the body of a fat fuck like Hal Turner would react to a short drop and a sudden stop? (After his legitimate treason trial judged by jury of his peers of course) Would the head pop off?

You learn the hangman's formula in calculus class. You want the drop to be long enough to result in instant death without the head popping off, so the weight of the victim has to be accounted for.

Maybe our token nigger can include it in his siggie.

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/hanging2.html

[brutus]

Once sometime in 2008 after we'd been kicked off our mirrored servers, Hal offered via Skype for us to use his servers for free. Agishad a good laugh atthatone. Another time, in a voice contact on Skype, he let me know that he lately felt like going on a spree. Maybe trying for my reactions, confederate help etc.

Now this is the sort of evidence I`d tend to believe. Coming from a respected WN activist lends weight that must be considered. While these statements do not rise to the level of guilt I`d like to see, say in a wholly White court room, that would be enough to earn Turner the death penaly. However, it would indeed be enough in my opinion to ostracize Turner and to incline me to warn others of his questionable loyalties.

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[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by brutus

This exempifies my whole point.

Why are so many willing to give credence and the benefit of the doubt to the fbi, the jew media and the kangaroo courts, but they will not give the same favorable considerations to a White man?

It's you who's not giving favorable considerations to a White man. That White man says he did it. Where's your respect for him?

Turner is a blowhard and untrustworthy fool. He's a friend of Sean Hannity and a former employee of the FBI. The only good that can be said for him is that he's a good speaker. I don't think he hurt our cause necessarily, but he's certainly no one to be trusted.

[Alex Linder]

Also notice the contradiction:

Turner has a miniscule audience.

Someone told the feds to shut down Turner because he was making jew-crit too entertaining.

Those don't go together. Leave aside the fact that Turner was little more than a patriotard plus. A Hannity with a racial veneer. I don't believe Turner ever talked about jews much.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Fred O'Malley

I'm not that familiar with this guy, but I know how the feds work.

Once they busted him for giving them a few blind alleys, what Brutus is saying could very well be true. The feds would not admit to falling for a bullshit story, even all the way to trial, and his record of "helping them" would be admissible, even if fraudulent. They obviously could never prove that he gave them a bum steer. Still, he would be able to prove he got money from them for helping.

One thing I know for sure, the whole truth never comes out, and the fact is Brutus might just be on to something here.

Another thing I'm sure of, is that none of us here has enough info to make any rational judgements about Turner or what he did or didn't do.

You're new to this, Fred. I personally have plenty enough information to know what the deal is with Turner, from observing him over a decade.

1) First came to my attention when my buddy Wolzek, who was a Turner fan, told me he was frequently using stuff I'd written on air without attribution. I laughed at this.

2) Our backer had us on Turner's network for a few weeks. He ridiculously overcharged us and had me loading to the wrong place, I believe deliberately, for three days.

3) He was waving a gun around a our Knoxville rally. He comes across as very much a blowhard and far too cheerful given the circumstances, save he has some secret knowledge (ie, that the cops have his back).

4) There's no reason not to believe his own word that he was an informant. Nor the FBI's.

There's no controversy or dispute here, just Brutus being very, very strange, as he has been the last couple years. Why, I don't know.

As I said, Turner was a patriotard more than a racist or a jew-critic like me. His background was calling in to Sean Hannity's show so much he became a friend. If you listened to The Hal Turner show, it was Constitutionalist patriotardism, the standard stuff, along with a racial veneer that, of course, the Fox types and Tea Party types, won't touch. I don't think he touched much on jews at all.

He was good at what he did. He had an effective shtick. He would have reached the same sort of people than an Alex Jones would, but people who, unlike Jones, were willing to hear "savage negro beasts" denounced. As a short blowhard type, very coplike in build and bearing (not a small thing), Turner either approached or was approached by the FBI and agreed to inform for them, for pay. Turner was notorious for vociferous and continual browbeating of his audience to send him money. And as I said, when VNN was hosted on his servers, he overcharged my backer ridiculously. I would guess the FBI thought his increasingly borderline legal rhetoric would, as Hal said in one of the anti-revealed emails, flush the zanies or the crazies, so that the feds would get heads up on anyone plotting any actual actions. Since each FBI agent must maintain at least 10 informants, Hal Turner would be a reasonable choice, given that he had an audience of some size.

There is not a scintilla of evidence that everything in the Turner case is not exactly what it seems to be.

[Alex Linder]

This fact spurs them to lie, fabricate, frame, entrap, and even to pay WNs to openly encourage/provoke other WNs to illegal acts. This might be the case with Turner and his federal handlers. If true, then Turner should be condemned for deliberately trying to put WNs in jail.

You're exactly right. And think how much this factor has gone up with our 10x larger security state post-9/11, with all these new committees and agencies.

Turner was appealing to the type of crowd that contains some of the weak minds that are dumb enough to both plan an action and hint at it or talk about it publicly. That's why he was worth paying, at least for a few years. For our purposes, this is why we simply cannot mix with the retarded CI christians and the retardates in the Alex Jones circle. People who are too dumb to separate fact from fantasy (the Alex Jones and CI crowd) are too dumb to separate friend from enemy. They are standing dangers to themselves, just as they are useless to the White cause.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Fred O'Malley

Nearly every one of us has done something, for which we could have been compromised by the FBI, had they known. In his case they probably did.

I highly doubt it. Turner's a blowhard. That type comes with excitement at the thought of being part of the copper complex.

I don't like to condemn someone without all the facts. No Donnie isn't an exception, I have far more facts on him than enough.

The facts about Turner ARE out there. You got in the game at much later stage than the rest of us talking about this, trust me. We have a history with this guy going back at least to 2003 or so.

[Derrick MacThomas]

I had a professional relationship with Hal Turner that lasted several years.
If Hal had given the FBI any information of value, I would have been one of many white patriots who would currently be in a gulag somewhere.
I do not know what did or did not happen between Hal Turner and the FBI, other than to say that based on the fact that I am not in a dungeon somewhere I have to conclude that he did not pass on useful information.
What I suspect happened was that Hal tried to dance with the Devil, in the thought that if he was considered to be an FBI asset there would be less heat on him and he would be able to operate more effectively.
For the reason stated above, I do not believe for an instant that Hal Turner betrayed anyone.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Max_

What information did he pass on to the FBI?

Presumably whatever he had access to: his callers', donors', ISP clients (including VNN for a few weeks) contact information, along with his views on where any real threats might lie. That would be my guess. He spoke of his utility in "flushing the zanies" or "crazies." That's why they were paying him. Now, I don't think the info he passed on was all that valuable, but then again...who really knows? No one can say for sure what the guy did. He also went to Brazil with some NA guys. He spoke at numerous rallies. The fact that the FBI at some point got rid of him suggests his information wasn't all that valuable, but that doesn't change the bottom line: he took money to betray his purported cause.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Fred

I know I was fooled by HT. I used to listen to the show and liked it. I do remember some of the kooky stuff like the earthquake and the dead Mexican in the ocean.

It never occurred to me that he was trying to Rat out people. All I know is what the newspapers say.

But lets look at this seriously. Who is there for HT to rat on? There is no underground White army. There is no White army at all. There is no clandestine group of Whites causing trouble. There is nothing to rat on.

ZOG spends lots of money time and resources spying on the Whites when there is nothing there to investigate.

Other than a Kook or two, I doubt HT caused anybody any troubles. What?
Was Arty Wheeler going to take on ZOG? Is he even alive?

My point is HT probably did not cause any harm because there was nothing to harm.

I am not sticking up for the guy. I think he is scum for what he was doing.

You're basically right. But all this means is the feds work doubly hard to set people up. Pretty much every "terror" plot that's exposed is 99% FBI-supplied weaponry and facilities, and 1% some ignorant WN or Muslim fool talking tough.

When people make blowhard statements about what should happen, or what they'd like to do, it is possible they will, because of those statements, attract agents from a number of agencies who will try to bait them into an easy-bake "conspiracy" they can make a federal case and prime-time bust out of.

[The Bobster]

Those don't go together. Leave aside the fact that Turner was little more than a patriotard plus. A Hannity with a racial veneer. I don't believe Turner ever talked about jews much.

No, the jews were always either topic #1 or #2 on his show. He constantly trashed the "hook-nosed jews", which was why I found his show amusing.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

I think that's a pretty good take.

What bothers me is when entities come on attempting to rewrite history, to make Turner some sort of sympathetic character, some 'WN hero,' which was part of his goofy shtick to begin with.

Who's to say he doesn't continue to work for the Feds? Some of the posts in this thread, aside from being jaw-droppingly stupid, could function as a re-framing exercise for a subsequent new informing operation.

I will never understand the psychological need that so many display to make excuses for their enemies--or even marginal characters. Turner is not marginal. He is a self-proclaimed enemy of everything nationalists stand for. He is scum.

Yes. Brutus is, at best, overthinking. When the guy himself says he's an informant, and the feds agree, there is no other side.

And yes, Turner could get back in the game. Who knows?

You can trust what I say - even when I'm wrong. I said Turner was not to be trusted. (Which is why he was banned here.) I did not call him a fed, because I did not know he was for a fact. I said he was a blowhard, and very coplike in bearing, which to me is a big red flag for possible security-state connections. The scene in Knoxville was very intimidating, with choppers overhead, dogs, all kinds of police and people screaming. And he was laughing and grinning like it's a day at the park. That reinforced my initial impression. And then apparently, according to banned OTPTT, he had been waving around a gun earlier. Which is pretty much conclusive proof he's either crazy or with the cops.

Serious people don't act like Turner acted. They don't say the things he said.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by The Bobster

No, the jews were always either topic #1 or #2 on his show. He constantly trashed the "hook-nosed jews, which was why I found his show amusing.

Ok, then I'm wrong. The few times I heard him, it was patriotard-racialist blather.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Derrick MacThomas

I had a professional relationship with Hal Turner that lasted several years.
If Hal had given the FBI any information of value, I would have been one of many white patriots who would currently be in a gulag somewhere.
I do not know what did or did not happen between Hal Turner and the FBI, other than to say that based on the fact that I am not in a dungeon somewhere I have to conclude that he did not pass on useful information.
What I suspect happened was that Hal tried to dance with the Devil, in the thought that if he was considered to be an FBI asset there would be less heat on him and he would be able to operate more effectively.
For the reason stated above, I do not believe for an instant that Hal Turner betrayed anyone.

I can only shake my head at this.

Why be loyal when there's no cost to being disloyal?

Flat unbelievable.

"If Hal had given the FBI any information of value, I would have been one of many white patriots who would currently be in a gulag somewhere."

This is merely your own self-importance. You're not doing anything illegal, but in your own mind, you're a hero the government is just aching to take down. Keep kidding youself, buddy. What would have happened is, if you're in Australia, the feds would pass along your info to the cops there and the jewish group running them.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Leonard Rouse

Yeah, I treat my friends like friends and my enemies like enemies. I respect people and facts. You don't.

Fred's a loyal VNN supporter. He is a little hot-headed, though. I don't think he understands just how deep a history we have with Hal Turner. We know what he is. There is not any doubt about it.

[Derrick MacThomas]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

I can only shake my head at this.

Why be loyal when there's no cost to being disloyal?

Flat unbelievable.

"If Hal had given the FBI any information of value, I would have been one of many white patriots who would currently be in a gulag somewhere."

This is merely your own self-importance. You're not doing anything illegal, but in your own mind, you're a hero the government is just aching to take down. Keep kidding youself, buddy. What would have happened is, if you're in Australia, the feds would pass along your info to the cops there and the jewish group running them.

Alex, you apparently do not understand the legal situation in Australia.
Here in Australia we do not have anything that resembles your Bill of Rights, or your First Amendment.
Every time that I turn on the microphone I could do seven years for inciting racial and/or religious hatred, as well as racial and religious vilification.
FYI the FBI and the Australian federal and state police DO share information. There is even an FBI office in Sydney.
Re your reference to loyalty: if I had to explain loyalty and honour to you, then you would not understand it.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Derrick MacThomas

Alex, you apparently do not understand the legal situation in Australia.
Here in Australia we do not have anything that resembles your Bill of Rights, or your First Amendment.
Every time that I turn on the microphone I could do seven years for inciting racial and/or religious hatred, as well as racial and religious vilification.

Then you're already known to the authorities. And since you know the rules, you're very careful not to break them.

FYI the FBI and the Australian federal and state police DO share information. There is even an FBI office in Sydney. Re your reference to loyalty: if I had to explain loyalty and honour to you, then you would not understand it.

Sure they do. They already had your information, if you're doing an openly racialist show. So Turner didn't give them anything they didn't already have.

I guess when Turner brags about flushing zanies in emails to his paymaster, you don't make anything of it.

[Alex Linder]

Anti Semite Hal Turner Exposed as FBI Operative - By Richard Evans 17th January 2008
Sat, 01/19/2008 - 17:53 — Arthur Cristian

Anti Semite Hal Turner Exposed as FBI Operative

By Richard Evans
17th January 2008

Recently two individuals hacked the email database of an infamous internet radio talk show celebrity named Hal Turner. What Turner's own emails revealed was first made public when the hackers posted them on Turner's own internet forum.

Subsequently Turner removed his web site, leaving a notice which implies the host pulled the site as part of a persecution conspiracy against him.

Turner, in the midst of rising rising fame as a poster boys for home grown extremists, has folded up shop. http://halturnershow.com

What happened?

"On Jan. 1, unidentified hackers electronically confronted Turner in the forum of his website for "The Hal Turner Show." After a heated exchange, they told Turner that they had successfully hacked into his server and found correspondence with an FBI agent who is apparently Turner's handler. Then they posted an alleged July 7 e-mail to the agent in which Turner hands over a message from someone who sent in a death threat against Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.).

"Once again," Turner writes to his handler, "my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a possible crazy." In what is allegedly a portion of another E-mail, Turner discusses the money he is paid."

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/0...ker-accused-of...

Hal Turner, rising in fame as the most blatant hate talk radio host, self-proclaimed neo-nazi, antisemite, racist who hinted at the need to eradicate Jews - turns out to have been fronting a typical FBI COINTELPRO sting operation.

The only question is, was Turner really the extremist racist scum bag he'd portrayed for at least ten years. Was he just an FBI informer because they'd cut him a deal for something they had on him? Or had he always been an undercover agent, who developed this persona and reputation over many years ?

In one of the hacked emails to one of two FBI handlers, [email protected]; Len Nerbetski, "Subject: Threat to Kill Senator Feingold of Wisconsin on July 4", Turner closes with this:

"> Please acknowledge receipt of this warning. Of late, both of
> you have become remiss in acknowledging e-mails.
>
> HT"

Special Agent Nerbetski wrote an excuse:

"I think you forget that I no longer have my
> blackberry and thus no real-time link to the email. I have to be
> logged on to a server to access it. As you know, I don;t have
> one growing out of my ass...Some emails require no comment..."

In another email in this thread, Turner expresses concern about not receiving acknowledgment of when he'd be paid for the tip.

I can only extrapolate, but it read to me that Turner's FBI handlers were already distancing themselves and may have been in the process of hanging him out to dry.

The hackers that obtained and distributed Turner's damning emails haven't identified themselves, and the FBI and New Jersey State Police aren't looking for them. It's only a guess, but it's not out of the question that the FBI were done with Turner and shut him down. Either way, good riddance.

But there's more to the story than it's face value. Who was Hal Turner...Really?

The Hal Turner 'story' as a public malcontent begins nearly twenty years ago, to the early 1990's.

The making of a cointelpro talk show host:

"Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", he achieved notoriety in local conservative circles as a frequent caller to the WABC-AM radio talk show hosted by Bob Grant.[1] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Murray Sabrin in a number of campaigns in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[2][3] (cited from Wikipedia

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"After Bob Grant's program was taken off the air for racist content, Turner established a friendship with his replacement, Sean Hannity, ands frequently appeared on his program. Turner then became a talk radio host himself, joining fellow regular callers Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island to start the program The Right Perspective.[4]shortwave radio station WBCQ. Turner left the program in 2002, citing artistic differences. In 2002, Turner became a solo host."

I do recall Pat Buchanan's run for Republican nomination for President during 1992, and I remember the campaign failed due to ABC, NBC, and CBS innuendos that Buchanan was supposedly sympathetic to racists and fascists. Well it's small wonder, since none other than Hal Turner had managed to get into the position of north New Jersey campaign coordinator. The question is: Was Hal Turner associated with the FBI back then? Was he used to undermine Buchanan?

On the other hand, if Turner had been groomed all these years as an FBI asset, why would they suddenly blow his cover?

It's only speculation, Sean Hannity's current rise in the pantheon of FOX right wing rant talk show hosts may be a factor. It wouldn't do to have Turner become America's most famous nazi, and his association with Hannity back in the WABC-AM days go public in a big way.

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[Craig Cobb]

Hal came to my hotel room after the Kingston rally. A few other guys were there. I think Stan was but don't recall for sure. Yankee Jim wasn't there; he was out fending a gang of antis from the borders of his property so we just talked by phone. Hal stayed maybe 90 minutes, was very pleased the way the day had gone and explicitly asked me several times to pitch to Alex the possibility of his and VNN's or his and Alexes working together on a regular basis. So if he began to take $25K a year from the feds in 2003, well--Kingston was what, 2005, right?

[Alex Linder]

We have a sticky thread on Hal Turner in People section here:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=104601