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Old June 18th, 2012 #261
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Was he happy at Kasidiaris televised assault? "They wound him up, called him a fascist and a Nazi. How much is he supposed to take?" he said. "You can say that it's shameful. But, you know, she asked for it."
People actually LOVE seeing these venom-mouthed commie whores getting roughed up. Does anyone really think there aren't millions of Americans who wouldn't cheer at seeing the Pelosis, the Feinschteins & the Allreds bitch-slapped on worldwide televitz?
 
Old June 18th, 2012 #262
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It is interesting to compare the Russian media to our Judenpresse on this election.

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Greek government odyssey: Leftists reject coalition
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Published: 18 June, 2012, 18:03
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Caption:Leader of the New Democracy conservative party Antonis Samaras (R) greets the head of Greece's radical left-wing Syriza party Alexis Tsipras (AFP Photo / Pool / Petros Giannakouris Giannakouris)

Fresh from its narrow win in Sunday’s re-election, Greece’s centre-right New Democracy has begun hard talks to form a coalition government. The party’s leader Antonis Samaras received a mandate to launch coalition talks following weeks of uncertainty over the debt-crippled country's future in Europe's joint currency. The conservative leader says he wants to create a stable government with a stronger popular mandate.

With 129 of parliament’s 300 seats, Samaras’s party lacks the power to govern alone and must seek allies among smaller pro-bailout Socialists, like the Pasok party, which came in third in the election. Both parties are pro-bailout, but Pasok wants a broader government coalition and earlier denied the possibility of forming a two-party government with winner New Democracy.
Pasok leader Evangelos Venizelos did say, however, that all negotiations must be completed by Tuesday.

The ultra-left wing Syriza party achieved second place but remained isolated over its plans to reject the terms of the EU-IMF bailout. The party’s leader Alexis Tsipras refused any role in a ruling coalition, saying his party will be a powerful force in the opposition. "The role of a strong and responsible opposition… is to intervene in a powerful way and this is what I assured Mr. Samaras that we would do," Tsipras told reporters after holding talks with his conservative counterpart.

Antonis Samaras said he would seek changes in the terms of the bailout agreement. But John Hulsman, Pesident of John.C Hulsman Enterprises, a political risk consulting firm, thinks this is a “fantasy”. “In the long run Greece will have to real up to these terms. The terms themselves, as the Foreign minister of Germany made very clear yesterday, aren’t going to change. So, I think the Greek people are in for a great deal of disappointment”, Hulsman told RT.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed this, saying any loosening of agreed reform pledges in Greece after the election is unacceptable. Only 40% of voters backed parties that broadly support the bailout deal. In a statement on behalf of the 17 eurozone finance ministers on Monday, Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Paul Juncker said that "continued fiscal and structural reforms are Greece's best guarantee to overcome the current economic and social challenges and for a more prosperous future of Greece in the euro area".

The new government will have to get to work quickly. Greece needs to find an additional 11.7 billion euro worth of spending cuts this month to quality for its next EU-IMF loan installment.
 
Old June 19th, 2012 #263
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I just received this exchange from my Golden Dawn correspondent in Greece.

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The posible is that we will have a 3-party goverment. I think that a goverment like this will survive less than 1 year...

Until this time we don't have a goverment. The presidents of democratics (1t party), socialists (3rd party) and central-leftists (6th party) are talking. The other 4 parties: extreame leftists (2nd party), rights (4th), nationalists (5th) and communists (7th) don't want to make a goverment. I will keep you informed
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Is a 3rd election coming up?

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Old June 20th, 2012 #264
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Woodpecker Graphics and Maps of the Greek Elections & Golden Dawn Results...

Here is some interesting information.

Maps of the districts that voted for the Golden Dawn in the May elections found
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Comparison of recent and of May's elections:

June elections:


Direct and all results of each district for the June elections found
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Old June 20th, 2012 #265
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Smile Haaretz on Golden Dawn

This is a main Israeli paper on Golden Dawn

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Greeks say Golden Dawn party speaks to their insecurity
Greek analysts comment on the rise of far-right Golden Dawn party - ‘Between Hamas and the mafia.’
By Dafna Maor | Jun.19, 2012 | 3:03 AM


Caption:Golden Dawn leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos. Photo by AP

The neo-Nazi-style Golden Dawn party, which operates as a kind of Greek shadow security force, won close to seven percent of the vote in Sunday's election because it fills a crying public need that the government does not, a Greek political analyst told Haaretz.

"It's a combination of Hamas and the New York mafia in the 1930s," said George Kapopoulos, a senior political analyst for the Greek business magazine Imerisia and commentator for NET TV and ERA radio.

Athenians we met spoke of feeling very unsafe in the city center at night, even in middle-class neighborhoods. Since ATM robberies became common, members of Golden Dawn provide security for older people when they go to withdraw cash.

Greeks seemed surprised by Golden Dawn's electoral success, although many said they understood why it got so many votes. "If I were unable to move from my apartment in the center of town to a safer area, maybe I would have voted for them," a young Athenian who declined to give her name told me. "And I'm Jewish!"

Golden Dawn is filling the vacuum left by the bankrupt Greek government's inability to provide basic services to its citizens, swooping in like Superman to save them in their time of need. Party members have joined the firefighters who are toiling to extinguish the forest fires that have been raging in southern Greece since Saturday afternoon, for example. Two small villages whose men were murdered and their homes burned by the Nazis turned out for Golden Dawn on Sunday: "Five hundred people in each village," Kapopoulos says in a tone of disbelief.

In today's Greece it is very hard to distinguish between extremists on the right and the left. "People tell me they're wavering between SYRIZA [the left-wing coalition] and Golden Dawn - unbelievable, between the radical left and the fascists," Kapopoulos says.

There is a general sense that Golden Dawn's ascendance is the consequence of the impotence and corruption at the highest levels of government. "The government of the PASOK [Panhellenic Socialist Movement] party and [former Prime Minister] George Papandreou gave rise to Golden Dawn," says Ioannis Delimichalis, a local accountant who served as secretary at a central Athens polling station.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #266
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Golden Dawn has sued the mayor of Thessalonia for defamation after he called for them to be made illegal. This is a machine translation from their website.

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MP sued the Golden Dawn by Boutari's
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Lawsuit filed by MP Golden Dawn in I Thessalonians, Anthony Gregos against the Mayor of Thessaloniki, Yiannis Boutari mound to the Police Department. This case involved the mayor's statements on 9 May and the lawsuit for the offenses of defamation, of disturbing the peace and civil discord stimulation and verbal abuse.

We remind you that the mayor of Thessaloniki had declared on the entry of the Golden Dawn in parliament, the following: "It is beyond any logic in parliament to have the Nazi party. They are signs of the times, because all over Europe have such phenomena and Nazi beliefs deeply that it is illegal in Germany the Nazi party, so in Greece must eventually be declared illegal Nazi party. "

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Old June 21st, 2012 #267
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Smile Golden Dawn Denounces State Funding of Political Parties

The following is a machine translation from the Golden Dawn website. Their press releases also mention something about riots. I am researching this.

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The position of the Golden Dawn for state funding of parties
Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - 12:57

It is unacceptable, parties to collect profusely million, while the people penetai. Fixed location of the Golden Dawn is the elimination of state funding of parties. This position was expressed strongly in diakkomatiki Committee and voted to demand the rule of law in the new parliament.We denounce the hypocrisy of the left, while pretending to possess social awareness, has not provided or the half million euro received, to our fellow citizens in misfortune. The Golden Dawn is committed that the amount received in state funding will be returned to the Greek people through social work.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #268
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Smile Fascists Multiply in Greece

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Golden Dawn and the rise of fascism
Fascists didn't suddenly multiply in Greece – their ideas gradually permeated public consciousness. They will elsewhere, too

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Caption:Golden Dawn supporters celebrate after the early election results on 17 June 2012. Photograph: Str/EPA

The electoral take-off of Golden Dawn took Greece by surprise. In the space of a few months it passed from insignificance to almost 7% of the national vote, a percentage it maintained at the June elections, when the voters had been properly apprised of its neo-Nazi character. This party now has a rather even geographical spread and sex distribution, slightly higher among men and in rightwing areas, and also a definite social basis – mainly small proprietors, unemployed, members of the security forces, plus the criminal underworld.

Where did Golden Dawn come from? Is it a national phenomenon or does it portend a European trend? Could similar parties rise in other societies ravaged by the economic crisis? Certainly, it cannot be blamed on any "national" characteristics; If anything, Greece was, together with Britain, one of the very few countries that did not develop any mass fascist movement before the second world war.

Fascists did not suddenly multiply in Greece. Rather, extreme right ideas and values gradually permeated public consciousness, and became mainstream in the last 20 years. Then the troika (of the European commission, European Central Bank and the IMF) imposed measures of violent pauperisation, and even created widespread perceptions of decay and victimisation, and feelings of national persecution and humiliation. All these, as the US historian Robert Paxton argues in his magisterial Anatomy of Fascism, help fascism rise. Finally, when the crisis stole the clientelist appeal of the ruling parties, many of their voters turned towards those who professed openly what traditional politicians only implied.

Golden Dawn appeared on the electoral radar in November 2011, when all the other forces of the right participated in the unelected, and unloved, government of a banker, Lucas Papademos. It projected an anti-systemic image, but actually its objectives and practices were in harmony with those of powerful Greek institutions. For example, immigrants were first demonised by the state itself. They were interned, and their rights were cancelled in practice. Bureaucrats failed to enforce protective labour legislation. The police and the judiciary do not prosecute fascists under existing laws, which are more or less adequate, and don't penalise racial attacks, antisemitism and spreading of hate, all trademarks of Golden Dawn.

The rise of fascism also owes a lot to mainstream media. Effectively unregulated by the state and owned by a few small Berlusconis, Greek television channels have for decades been cultivating chauvinism, racism, sexism and anti-immigrant hate. Now they habitually present Golden Dawn cadres as normal people, explore their lighter side and even turn them into lifestyle icons or tele-celebrities. They rarely discuss the violent crimes for which many of these people have been accused or convicted.

Most worrying is the ease with which conservatives justify fascist actions. The recent violent attack by Ilias Kasidiaris, a Golden Dawn deputy, on two leftwing women deputies, broadcast live on national television, was hailed by many on the right, and proved a vote-winner. The chief of New Democracy for northern Greece promptly declared that his party and Golden Dawn were "sister organisations", without provoking any criticism among his colleagues. Privileged strata and traditional politicians increasingly see the cultivation of a fascist mass movement as a legitimate reply to the advance of the left. In conditions of social dislocation and economic freefall, this may have explosive consequences.

The left grievously underestimated this threat all these years, hoping that it would evaporate by itself. Its leadership still has no strategy to counter the spread of fascism. Syriza until recently took democratic normality for granted, while the Communist party seems determined to repeat all the blunders of the German communists that brought Hitler to power.

Both parties refused to mobilise when Golden Dawn, with the support of the police, created a fief in a central Athens neighbourhood. Years of insouciance, in which thousands of attacks against immigrants provoked few reactions, led to deputies being beaten in front of the cameras. And even then, they refused to call for mass mobilisation against the thugs. The perceived moral of the story was that when fascists strike the left leadership, the latter shows a most Christian meekness. This instils little enthusiasm in the rank-and-file, and even less self-respect.

Hope comes mainly from the reaction of civil society. In recent weeks local anti-fascist fronts have sprung up from below in many places, with scant support from the official left. Mass anti-Nazi rallies, mobilising many thousands of people, shook the principal cities of Greece. There is even talk of self-defence groups, comprising locals and immigrants, that will fight Golden Dawn in the streets and provide to all the security that the state now offers to few.

The fascist advance in troika-dominated Greece was predicted by analysts. The factors that fuelled it exist in other societies too. In eurozone countries falling victim to the debt crisis, fascism will return to the fore. It has dynamics weaker than in the 1930s, but it is dangerous again. European elites have been playing with fire for too long. Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, succeeded where the Führer himself had failed, in creating a Nazi party in Greece. Similar feats will require less effort in other countries.

Deflationary economic policies mixed with a state tolerant of fascist actions, a sympathetic media, a right that needs allies in the streets and a dormant left are a recipe for disaster. Siblings of Golden Dawn may patrol Bolzano or Birmingham earlier than we imagine.

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Old June 21st, 2012 #269
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This scum looks like they are fun to hate.

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June 21, 2012: Immigrants claiming they was attacked by members of the extreme-right Golden Dawn party, are seen at United Against Racism and Fascist Violence Movement office during a press conference in Athens. (AP)

ATHENS, Greece – An immigrant rights group on Thursday accused a Greek far-right party of being behind hundreds of violent attacks on immigrants as part of a stepped-up "terror campaign" aimed at driving them out of the country. Leading activist Petros Constantinou told a news conference that the number of such attacks had ballooned since Sunday's crucial national election, which saw the extreme Golden Dawn party nab 18 seats in parliament. "There's a huge pogrom underway now that has been organized by Golden Dawn gangs, with fascist and racist attacks in neighborhoods and in subway and bus stations," said Constantinou, coordinator of the United Against Racism and Fascist Violence Movement. "Right now we have dozens of injured, stabbing victims."

Constantinou said Golden Dawn's strong showing in the poll has emboldened it to step up such violence, and he accused police of covering up for the party."What these neo-Nazis are striving to do right now is to convert their entry into parliament into legitimate cooperation with the Greek police" and judicial authorities, Constantinou said.

Golden Dawn vociferously rejects the neo-Nazi label and denies involvement in anti-immigrant attacks. The party insists it is a nationalist patriotic group and campaigned on a platform of ridding the country of illegal immigrants and cleaning up crime-ridden neighborhoods.

Constantinou said campaign pledges by new Greek Prime Minister Antonis Samaras to kick out illegal immigrants further encouraged Golden Dawn to carry out such attacks, which he said also aimed to weaken the resolve of left-wing labor unions to which many of these immigrants belong.
He also said authorities are aware of video footage of a stabbing attack against an immigrant at a central Athens subway station on Monday — a day after the elections — and have so far done nothing about it.

The head of the Immigrant Workers' Union, Javied Aslam, who also is a leader of Greece's Pakistani community, said victims no longer trust Greek authorities to protect them because police are turning a blind eye to the violence. "People conducting such acts of terror can't say that they are a legitimate political party," Aslam said. He also urged mainstream political parties to strongly condemn such attacks, and said mosques and immigrant homes also were being targeted.

Police spokesman Athanasios Kokalakis dismissed the accusations as baseless, saying authorities investigate all filed complaints. "Police have deployed sizeable forces in areas where immigrants could be targeted for attacks, but officers can't be everywhere," Kokalakis told The Associated Press. "Police are here to protect everyone, regardless of their status."

Mahmoud Abouhamed, a spokesman for hundreds of Egyptian fishermen who legally work in Greece, said the fishermen have also been targeted by Golden Dawn. As proof of the stepped-up attacks, Constantinou pointed to five Pakistani men attending the news conference who bore visible wounds, two of whom had deep head cuts requiring stitches. One such man was 25-year-old Ali Kaser, who said his swollen, bruised face was the result of an attack by several men while he was heading to work a day before the elections.

Another man, Mohammed Zahir, 23, said police made him swear on the Quran — Islam's holy book — to back up his claim that Golden Dawn members had attacked him.

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Old June 21st, 2012 #270
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Golden Dawn has sued the mayor of Thessalonia for defamation after he called for them to be made illegal. This is a machine translation from their website.
Golden Dawn shows it can fight on all fronts - physical, legal and intellectual. The political law is: He who can defend himself and his own attracts friends and supporters.

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Old June 21st, 2012 #271
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Very interesting Guardian article. It basically admits that the mass media must be controlled, because the default position is what the commies smear as fascist or racist. Which is exactly what we WN everywhere have always said:

- we are the good guys
- we are the normal guys
- we speak for the public.

And by contrast

- our enemies are the tiny, weird, twisted minority
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #272
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It looks to me like that parliament members can tighten their belts a bit to suffer along with their countrymen.

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Op-Ed: Greek MPs should vote for an end to parliamentary privileges Special
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Jun 19, 2012 in Politics

Athens - Greece has wasted a splendid opportunity to introduce austerity and reforms into the Greek parliament during the six weeks a caretaker government presided without wages. Corrupt politicians feed at the trough of plenty as Greece sinks deeper into debt. Even those who cast their votes for New Democracy and PASOK must despair at the profligacy of the three hundred Members of Parliament who represent approximately 11 million people in Greece. Compare this with 650 MP's in the House of Commons to represent over 62 million people. Under a law proposed by PASOK leader Evangelos Venizelos, Greek MP's enjoy immunity from prosecution.

Digital Journal reported on the salaries and perks of Greek politicians last year, citing an MP's salary as €8594 per month, €1000 per month housing allowance, an additional €150 per MP per parliamentary committee meeting, pensions after a four year tenure, interest free loans, and a host of other perks that include subsidised haircuts and a parliamentary gym.
As part of their electioneering campaigns various parties proposed changes which would reduce the number of Greek MP's and cut their inflated salaries and perks.

Fotis Kouvelis of Democratic Left proposed a "reduction in MPs’ wages and end to pensions for parliamentarians" and "a law allowing the assets of government members and senior civil servants who have served since 1974 to be inspected, scrapping ministerial and parliamentary immunity."
SYRIZA's Alexis Tsipras also wanted to scrap parliamentary immunity and slash MP's salaries. Golden Dawn also favored slashing salaries of MP's.

Following their brief election to parliament in May Golden Dawn entered parliament for the first time. Dimitris Koukoutsis, Golden Dawn MP for Messinia, told Golden Dawn members and supporters that party members were shocked at the luxury available to MPs within the vouli, including the subsidized fine dining of all MPs can eat for €8 (in stark contrast to the soup kitchens available on nearby streets). Koukoutsis observed a sign of the unproductive bloated public sector, noting 15 parking attendants on standby, but doing nothing, to deal with MPs cars.

Greek politicians about to form a new coalition should heed the support given to proposals to curb their expenses, slash their wages and strip them of their parliamentary immunity. Politicians that will now sit in opposition should stick to their demands for a parliamentary culling of privilege, before they too get used to the trappings of power which the two party system has thus far availed itself of.
 
Old June 21st, 2012 #273
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Very interesting Guardian article. It basically admits that the mass media must be controlled, because the default position is what the commies smear as fascist or racist. Which is exactly what we WN everywhere have always said:

- we are the good guys
- we are the normal guys
- we speak for the public.

And by contrast

- our enemies are the tiny, weird, twisted minority
Bingo. The commies, embodied in the UK by the Guardian scum, are blurting out truths they usually wink 'n' nod about. It's an unmistakeable sign of mounting panic.

Their self-satisfied smirks are being replaced by frowns & sweat-beaded brows - and, yea, it is GOOD!
 
Old June 22nd, 2012 #274
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[comments at Guardian]

The Golden Dawn party have been given room to grow by the left, and the mainstream right, abandoning the discussion on serious issues that face modern European nations.

Mass immigration (never voted on). Cultural incompability with some of the immigrants. Unwillingness to integrate on the part of immigrants, and resulting tensions.

It matters to people who have to live in normal towns, streets and cities, and given the neo-Nazi's a reservoir of anxiety to exploit and promote nationalism.


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My relatives are liberal modern Athenians...they live in Khalandri in a beautiful square....we eat at the local Persian restaurant, befriend the Arabic kebab guys and generally get on with everyone...

Yet, after a few metaxas in the balcony I have sat and listened to my liberal minded relatives spouting some really shocking racist stuff...and the scary part is they dont even know or acknowledge it!

Not so much philoxenia as xenophobia...


Illiberals are people who, by definition hate their own ancestors, think them inferior to niggers, sex deviants, and weirdoes generally. They also generally dislike-to-hate their living relatives. The above example can be found a million times over on illberal sites. Rather than admit they are part of a tiny, normal-hostile, anti-social minority, the illiberal prefers to belief that his nutsery represents some kind of enlightenment, progress or higher morality.

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That is what is so frightening, a lot of their supporters are "ordinary" people

Bu..bu...if their supporters are ordinary people, then perhaps us illiberal are...

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A more accurate and intelligent view would be that the Golden Dawn party have been given room to grow because the left, and the right, have encouraged hostility towards immigrants and religious minorities, thereby lending legitimacy to the rhetoric of the far-right. In reality, such anxieties are baseless.
Well, I don't agree. In fact, it's transparently not true that the left are hostile towards immigrants. To the exact contrary, the left gets nasty with anybody who even implies immigration is anything but dandy.

Similarly, the left is warm friend of controversial religious minorities. Even those with very very illiberal yet strongly held views and customs.

As for anxieties being baseless - I would say it tends to be working class people who deal with the realities of these situations most. It tends to be areas they work in (eg. contruction) which is flooded with cheap, imported labour. It's usually working class areas that have to deal with non-English speaking arrivals, including any which prove to have problems with crime, or a lack of willing to integrate with other neighbour hoods. I'd to say: in my opinion quite a bit of the anxiety is practical and rational.


What does it say that simple facts are made to seem Incorrect and inappropriate in the vast majority of media everywhere in the world? It tells you that the mass media are run by people very unlike those who read them.

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But for Golden Dawn we need to go back to the 80's and a movement that emerges on the back of Serb nationalism as an Orthodox Christian movement.
Sorry where did you get this info, please? Michaloliakos and Godlen Dawn are a clear and unambiguous continuation of the fascists who run the junta in Greece. I quote from wikipedia:

"Michaliakos was arrested again for assaulting journalists covering the December 1976 funeral of Evangelos Mallios, a policeman who tortured prisoners during the Regime of the Colonels, assassinated by the Revolutionary Organization 17 November, but was released due to technical issues related to his arrest.

While he was in prison, Michaloliakos met the leaders of the Greek military junta of 1967-1974.

After that he joined the Army and became a commando of the special forces. He was arrested again in July 1978 after he had become a member of a far-right extremist group, and sentenced to one year imprisonment in January 1979 for illegally carrying guns and explosives.He was also dismissed from his position in the army.

After he was released, he launched the Chrysi Avgi (Greek for "Golden Dawn") magazine. The politics of the magazine were, at least initially, closely aligned with National Socialist beliefs. The publication of the magazine ceased in April 1984, when Michaloliakos joined the National Political Union, and took over the leadership of its youth section, after a personal order of Georgios Papadopoulos. In January 1985 he broke away from the National Political Union and founded the "Popular National Movement - Chrysi Avgi".

Michaloliakos remained the leader of Chrysi Avgi until he announced its disbandment, in November 2005. He took this step due to clashes with anti-fascists. In 2005-2007 he (like most members of Chrysi Avgi) continued his political activity through the Patriotic Alliance. The party was reformed under his leadership in 2007."

The Greek fascists of course were always ultra nationalists and ultra orthodox, but I don't see any justification for suggesting that Golden Dawn "emerges on the back of Serb nationalism as an Orthodox Christian movement" in the 1980s.


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[You] know what is always dangerous with fascism? Populism - they appeal to the instincts of self-preservation in times of deep crisis (see immigrants get our jobs, they bring aids and topical diseases).

The one thing that worries me this time round is the "charitable work" they have undertaken recently - a very clever ploy. I was just reading that a pan-european group of fascists is coming to Greece to give toys and medicine to kids and old Greeks - (and probably beat dark looking immigrants in their spare time).


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But my main point, that the argument about the failings of multiculturism has been abandoned by the respectable left and (much of) the right, is true. As you can see by Golden Dawn's propaganda, seizing the initiative.

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A more accurate and intelligent view would be that the Golden Dawn party have been given room to grow because the left, and the right, have failed to address the problem of uncontrolled immigration, thereby lending legitimacy to the rhetoric of the far-right. In reality, the anxieties are real for those who have to compete for their jobs with the illegal immigrants, but unreal for the politicians who would be unaffected.

If you don;t want Golden Dawn, then do something to starve the oxygen from which they feed. Sort out your illegal immigration problems and there will be no reason for Golden dawn. Except its been left too late and solving a problem that needs solving will be seen as Golden Dawn leading.

Such are the consequences of ignoring the electorates concerns - extremists will start to run the show.


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[all Guardian Golden Dawn coverage]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/golden-dawn?INTCMP=SRCH

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Old June 22nd, 2012 #275
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I think that almost all of our cops are race traitors but that seems not to be the case in Greece.

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Are Greek Policemen Really Voting in Droves for Greece's Neo-Nazi Party?
JUN 22 2012, 7:20 AM ET
A much-circulated news report says half voted for the far-right Golden Dawn. The math is dubious at best, but there are hints of some truth behind it.


Caption:Golden Dawn party leader Nikolaos Mihaloliakos talks to reporters at an Athens news conference. (Reuters)

The rise of Greece's neo-Nazi political party, Golden Dawn, is a scary enough story on its own. Its members brandish a swastika-like logo on their official flag, throw Nazi salutes, sell Mein Kampf at their official headquarters, threaten journalists, deny the Holocaust, and beat immigrants, none of which stopped the group from winning 7 percent of the vote and 18 parliament seats in a recent election. But it gets worse: according to prominent Greek newspaper To Vima, a terrifying 50 percent of Greek policemen voted for Golden Dawn in both the May and June parliamentary elections. Half!

Is it true? Maybe, sort of, according to Greek blogger Theodora Oikonomides's much more transparent and detailed analysis of the numbers. Ballots are of course secret in Greece, so there's no way to know for sure how police are voting. But two details of the Greek voting system make it easier to infer: the number of voters assigned to each polling station is small, and police are assigned a polling station based not on where they live but there they work. So a polling station that covers, say, a police precinct office will disproportionately reflect the police vote.

That's not really enough information to calculate exact police voting numbers, as To Vima claims to have done, but it is enough to at least look at trends. And the trend is, as Oikonomides puts it, "astounding." In downtown Athens, for example, most polling stations returned Golden Dawn votes about in line with the national average of 7 percent. But the dozen or so stations clustered around the General Police Directorate received a far higher proportion of votes for Golden Dawn: mostly around 20 or 21 percent, three times the national average.

So where did To Vima get their 50 percent number? They say that 20 to 30 percent of voters in these districts are police -- it's not clear how they know this, maybe police register separately? Assuming that the 70 to 80 percent of non-police voters held to the national 7 percent average, assuming that the variation due entirely to police voters, and assuming that police turnout was the same as non-police turnout, then To Vima estimates that between 45 and 59 percent of policemen in these districts voted for Golden Dawn. From this, they extrapolate that half of Greek policemen support the neo-Nazi group. The math is sound, but it rests on so many assumptions that it's hard to take their much-circulated "50 percent" figure seriously.

Even if you do take their assumptions, it's entirely possible that the prevalence of Golden Dawn voters here is just a coincidence; there might be some other bunch of people in the area voting for the neo-Nazi party. And even if these Greek police did vote for Golden Dawn, that doesn't mean they represent all Greek police. After all, Oikonomides notes that the trend is much less apparent around the national riot police headquarters in Kaisariani, for example.

Still, while it's not a clear national trend, the apparent correlation between police-heavy voting stations and Golden Dawn votes in Athens and elsewhere sure looks like what Oikonomides calls "anecdotal evidence" for a connection.

And there's some reason to think that it might not be shocking for Golden Dawn to find more popular support among policemen than regular Greeks. That's not because Greek police have shown fealty to Nazi ideals or anything like that. Rather, Golden Dawn has some links, mostly ideological and rhetorical, to the far-right military regime that ruled Greece from 1967 to 1974. The junta was brutal, but, like any police state, it was good to the police, and it made law and order a priority. That's not to say that police want a return to dictatorship, but as austerity worsens, a number of government workers could lose their jobs. When Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos speaks fondly about the military regime that had made such an ally of police, that could appeal to policemen worried about feeding their families, whether they happen to believe in neo-Nazism or not.
 
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Here is a video of Nikos Michaloliakos after the election. It was posted in the video section but deserves a separate post here.

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Pesky Towel Heads are finding out that they are not wanted in Greece. Note that Golden Dawn are doing community service which is good propaganda.

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Caption:Immigrants who claim they were attacked by members of the extreme-right Golden Dawn party at the United Against Racism and Fascist Violence Movement office in Athens.
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ATHENS // As he does every night, Mohammad Zaffari, a neat and sprightly 65-year-old from Afghanistan, was picking through rubbish in a skip in central Athens when the fascists attacked him. "They asked me where I was from, but before I could answer they were beating me until I was almost unconscious," he said through an interpreter. "There were around 10 or 15 in the group - most of them teenagers, the oldest around 25." He claims one of the gang proudly stated their allegiance to Golden Dawn, the neo-Nazi party that won 18 seats in last Sunday's election.

The police came and the gang dispersed. There were no arrests. The first thing the police said to Mr Zaffari as he lay groaning on the ground was: "Show us your papers." Greece has seen a sudden surge in immigration. It now handles more than 80 per cent of the illegal migration into Europe - up from 25 per cent only four years ago - as tighter security has closed off alternative routes and the landmines that once dotted the border with Turkey have been removed. There are an estimated half a million illegal immigrants in Greece, and between 150 and 200 more arrive every day, escaping poverty, conflict and political persecution in countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

And this is happening in the middle of the worst economic crisis in recent Greek history - a deadly coincidence that has fostered an outpouring of racial hatred. Anti-immigrant parties across Europe are exploiting the economic downturn to increase support, but in Greece the situation is extreme: dozens of nightly attacks on minorities, growing networks of fascists in schools and impoverished areas, a foothold for Golden Dawn in parliament, and a political elite either unwilling or unable to confront it.

In a grotty apartment down a rough-looking side street in central Athens, 22 Afghans live in three cramped rooms lined with tatty carpets. Two junkies are loading up needles on the step outside. The windows are boarded up so that fascists cannot see in. "We are afraid to go out at night. If we cross the road, we will be attacked," said Abdul Rahim Atai, a 52-year-old who fled his home in Wardak province, Afghanistan earlier this year after the Taliban attacked his village and killed his six-year-old daughter.

His journey here was arduous, involving 15 or 20-hour walks across borders with his disabled 17-year-old son on his back. He is trying to reach Germany, where he hopes to find work and medical treatment for his boy. His wife has made it already, but the US$40,000 (Dh146,900) Mr Atai raised from selling all the family's possessions has run out. He needs $8,000 more to get him and his son through the final leg - an impossible sum.

For now, he is trapped in Greece, picking through rubbish to find items for sale, queuing three times a day at the local church for meals. "We heard on TV that Europe was a place of human rights, where we could find help, but there is nothing in Greece," said Mr Atai. Volunteers working with Afghan refugees say dealing with the psychological disappointment of newcomers is one of their primary tasks.

Golden Dawn rejects the neo-Nazi label and says it is not involved in any of the street attacks. But its promises to expel all foreigners, its promotion of Aryan supremacy and the swastika-like symbol on its flag, suggest a different view.

A spokesman for the party, Ilias Kasidiaris, recently slapped a Communist candidate live on air during a heated pre-election debate. One of its senior leaders vowed that the party would drag immigrants out of hospitals and nursery schools to make room for Greeks.

"I am doing the same thing I used to do for the Red Cross in Afghanistan - drawing up maps with no-go areas and safe zones," said Mohammad Younos, who runs a migrant support group in Athens.

Many hoped Golden Dawn's success in the inconclusive May elections - when it took 6.97 per cent of the vote - would be a flash in the pan, a protest vote directed against the political elite. But last weekend's results showed their tally barely changed at 6.92 per cent.

Part of the problem is a tacit acceptance of anti-immigrant sentiment among some of the established parties. Activists accuse the centre-right New Democracy party, which won last week's election, of obstructing attempts to ban hate-speech. The country's new prime minister, Antonis Samaras, has vowed to overturn legislation giving citizenship to second-generation migrants.

Although it is impossible to confront the fascists in the streets, some are at least taking the fight to schools, where Golden Dawn builds support by handing out food and sponsoring sporting events.

A network of African migrants called 'Asante' has visited 30 schools with well-known TV and music stars, organising plays and workshops to try to change opinions. "At the start the children would ask questions like 'Why are you trying to destroy the Greek race?' or 'Why do you steal our women?'", said organiser Nikodemus Maina Kinyua, 35, who migrated from Kenya as a child. "But by the end, we've had kids who joined Golden Dawn saying they no longer believe in the ideology."

With far-right groups on the rise across Europe, activists say it is worth remembering that many people still reach out to help immigrants. "Even as Greeks are facing so many problems, we are receiving more clothes and food for our centres than before," said Mr Younos. "Most Greek people are good."

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Hey all you parasitic non-White filth, if you don't like "racism" and "fascist violence" the solution is simple: GET THE FUCK OUT OF GREECE.

It's not your country, and you're not wanted.
 
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Pesky Towel Heads are finding out that they are not wanted in Greece. Note that Golden Dawn are doing community service which is good propaganda.
They're looking pretty bruised and dejected in that picture. That's the way all invader scum that refuse to leave and openly and defiantly stick around should look when in White countries. But hey, at least their heads are still attached to their bodies which is more than anyone that would be unwanted in their nonwhite countries could say.
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Smile Golden Dawn Members Cleared in Attack

As Pravda Bill taught me, you never want to make unnecessary enemies among the law. They seem to be on Golden Dawn's side.

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A misdemeanors court in the northern town of Veria on Thursday cleared seven out of eight members and supporters of the extreme-right Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) of charges of assault following an attack on a local cafe known as a hangout for extreme leftists. The court annulled the proceedings, noting that the prosecution had failed to pay an administrative fee, sources said. One of the eight defendants received a four-month suspended jail sentence.

The 53-year-old owner of the cafe, who had brought the charges against the members and supporters of Golden Dawn after the assault, also received a four-month suspended jail sentence. A strong police unit had been stationed outside the courthouse to avert tensions between supporters of the defendants and protesters.

The attack on the cafe on June 9, the week before a rerun of inconclusive general elections in May, had followed a scuffle between the defendants and a group of people handing out election leaflets. One person was injured during the attack and the cafe sustained considerable damage.
 
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