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Old March 20th, 2009 #81
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Mr. de Nugent, your bio says that your second marriage was annulled. As I understand it, annullment in lieu of divorce is most often granted for reasons of fraud or deception (such as sexual orientation, for instance). Since some of your critics are implying that you are homosexual it would be good for you to elaborate on this.

I'm usually not one to pry into a man's past, and it wouldn't normally be any of my business, but you did post the information yourself. As a man who aspires to lead our people, perhaps you can put these rumors to rest by clarifying things.

Thanks, and keep up the writing. Your work and positive attitude has been motivating to me.
 
Old March 20th, 2009 #82
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I assume that when you offer the disclaimer that “One shouldn’t post while drunk[,]” you are making an apology for “People who can't think clearly[.]”
Of course, this is wrong and is best demonstrated by the fact that you continue to misunderstand plain English.

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This is an amusing sentiment as it means that you are forgiving yourself for any
Could you please just read the posts twice and spare us?

The implication that you are privy to a new leadership, soon to present itself to the movement, is easily read in your first post as you tell others that they will “know when they see him.”

Yes, tis a secret that only I know: Teenagers grow into adults. Intelligent ones often become political. Some young white males coming home from Iraq are going to follow in the long and predictable tradition of questioning everything upon their return, and they'll be rather angry about the evident Jewish involvement in their being sent over to witness horrors in Iraq. Just because you don't know this doesn't mean I'm being a smartass by mentioning it in what I assume is a group of people who don't need to be explained the fundamentals of human development or that soldiers often become politically active after wars doesn't imply anything other than that I didn't predict there'd be someone moronic enough to try starting an argument based on something that is not there. You can quit here or keep digging, I can't be arsed.


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The implication of initiate’s knowledge is made more palpable still by your attacking previous leadership and then setting-up the hopeful reader for a solution that isn’t delivered.
What makes new leadership palpable is the degeneracy of the old leadership.

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Who are the disappointing leaders who’ve robbed and disappointed us and how did they do it?
If I didn't know these people on a personal basis, I would fire away, but I do and I won't. Public and easily-attainable information about these figures betray them as unfit for command in any way. You can accept the reasoning behind my not getting into specific cases unknown to the public or not, doesn't matter. Perhaps if you reasoned it out and put yourself in the shoes of others, you could see why, but from reading in to your...novel leaps of thought, I think I'm asking too much.

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These are things I would like to know.
John Nugent makes up additions to his own name, has questionable friends, and a profound and wholly unearned sense of self-importance. This is evident from merely viewing his website. Anyone wanting to examine WN "leadership" can continue on down the line in a like manner and see that these people have proven unfit to lead even their own lives!

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But I have never done anything evil or shameful, and rarely selfish.
Some are unashamed because they just don't know better.

 
Old March 20th, 2009 #83
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Well, John, Mr. de Nugent, I just watched a digital video of you speaking at a conference of some-kind in California. It was my introduction to you as a public figure, as an animated person, making a full display of their characteristics and intellectual temperament, and I must say I was rather disappointed. Specifically, I was disappointed by the passivity of your message and the plaintiff, even pleading style of your oratory. After each talking point your eyes seemed to roam the audience in search of approval. And when one considers that much of your philosophy depends on naming Jews as psychopaths, your passive style gave me the awkward sense that you were asking me to protect you from them.

I’m still a little in shock from the speech because the photos on your thread here on VNN show a confident and robust man. Indeed, even the small profile picture of you under your avatar shows a salty, masculine figure. Why then do you orate like a beggar? Like a therapist?

The movement needs an unrepentant leader. A man who will speak the truth plainly, even artfully, and who will tell the world what whites have lost, what they rightfully want, and how they will take it. Such a leader will declare why our views are right. He will not gently ask. He will not relate stories that recall spooky neighborhood boys who dismember frogs. Boys kill frogs, John. Boys who are scared of dying frogs are not good company on a hunt, and we are on a hunt, Mr. de Nugent - a hunt for justice, for restoration, and for freedom. If you cannot join the hunt then spare us all the embarrassment and become a chronographer of the movement, or one of its philosophers.

Linder may have shortcomings and mainstream types may be turned off by his rough language, but at least he has courage, John, unrepentant courage in speaking his truth. It is a quality that will not likely sprout fourth from you after “50” haunted years. You are not the one. Concede it, gentle John. You are an academic.
 
Old March 20th, 2009 #84
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Hey Oggy,

There is a certain disconnectedness to the progression of the opening thoughts on your recent posts, and it leads me to believe that you anticipate that I am a figure on the white nationalist scene whom you know. You either have this preconception or you are having a conversation once removed from the arguments at hand, and dependant on assumptions of what I haven’t said, but would say.

You use a lot of charged words, Oggy, and instead of refuting what I’ve said you give over the majority of your energy to attacking me. It is a style that communicates your frustration, both with not getting your way and with not finding the words to defend your assertions. I see the passion in it, and I suppose that’s good. The movement needs people who will fight, but a great many fights are lost when anger clouds the mind and releases those who’ve succumbed to it into a self-destructive free-fall. Arguments are witnessed as well as enjoined, and few are swayed by the bitter opponent, even if he is right.

I do not know you, Oggy, nor you me. You sound like an intimate of the white nationalist scene and I am only a recent convert who, increasingly, is determined to contribute. I will freely concede that you know de Nugent, as I did not, and that if I had known him I wouldn’t have come so quickly to his defense.

Truly, I don’t want to get into a tit-for-tat over this thread, on an issue that seems more like a misunderstanding now, than a genuine point of contention. So let us make a truce.

If you have more to say, I give you my promise that I will read it, but I won’t likely reply unless your words beg a response.
 
Old March 20th, 2009 #85
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Hey, John... won't you come to the "Patriot Action" and garner the opportunity to form an actual opinion on the man in question? In the real world? Talk is cheap. There is no substitute for reality, my friend.
 
Old March 20th, 2009 #86
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I find it irritating, tiresome and increasingly pathetic that the very people who have demonstrated themselves, time and time again, to be completely impotent and incapable of elevating this so called "movement" out of the gutter of American politics still expect us to lavish them with praise for their so called "leadership." Don Black and David Duke have contributed to the Nationalist movement in a way that should, as of now, be appreciated, but hopefully, when all the smoke has cleared, be of little historical significance.
Why? Because if writing books, appearing on Wolf Blitzer's television show, arguing with Phil Donahue and creating a WEBSITE FORUM are, in the end, amazing accomplishments for our mission, we're obviously going to go absolutely nowhere.

John Nugent can't even boast these meager accomplishments, so for him to claim the mantle of Nationalist Leadership and accuse anyone who laughs in his face as being petty or cowardly is, to me, quite comical. The fact of the matter is the Jew absolutely loves "leaders" like Nugent. They make easy targets. They aren't capable of drawing massive crowds of support, yet are easily torn to shreds by our enemies, which leaves our public image in shreds along with him. If Nugent, with his spotty past and questionable character, really cared about the victory of our mission, he'd step aside and stop portraying himself as a savior of our people.
Were we to humor his unjustified megalomania, the media would eat him up and spit him out all over us.

Hitler did not arrive in the National Socialist party and declare himself a Messiah. The National Socialist party hoisted Hitler on its shoulders because of his talents to bring about results. His status as the Fueher came later.

That's the order of things, Nugent. First you bring about significant results and a wave of momentum, then WE appoint you our leader for your abilities. You seem to think you appoint yourself leader, which then will give you significant results.
You've obviously got it completely backwards.

We are White Nationalists, Mr. Nugent, not Democrats. Your constant delivering of your own biography reeks of John Kerry style politics and makes me think, more and more, that you are consciously creating your personal history to look the part of a great leader. We know a charlatan when we see one. Your "rise" to leader of racial Nationalism is a creation of your website, your forum activity, and your own imagination.
 
Old March 20th, 2009 #87
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Damn... OPP is on fire these days, huh?
 
Old March 21st, 2009 #88
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Hey Oggy,

There is a certain disconnectedness to the progression of the opening thoughts on your recent posts, and it leads me to believe that you anticipate that I am a figure on the white nationalist scene whom you know. You either have this preconception or you are having a conversation once removed from the arguments at hand, and dependant on assumptions of what I haven’t said, but would say.

You use a lot of charged words, Oggy, and instead of refuting what I’ve said you give over the majority of your energy to attacking me. It is a style that communicates your frustration, both with not getting your way and with not finding the words to defend your assertions. I see the passion in it, and I suppose that’s good. The movement needs people who will fight, but a great many fights are lost when anger clouds the mind and releases those who’ve succumbed to it into a self-destructive free-fall. Arguments are witnessed as well as enjoined, and few are swayed by the bitter opponent, even if he is right.

No there isn't, and no I don't.

No, don't flatter yourself, incorrect, whatever.

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You sound like an intimate of the white nationalist scene and I am only a recent convert who, increasingly, is determined to contribute.
When you are increased enough to finally want to contribute, then you might have something to say, maybe.

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Truly, I don’t want to get into a tit-for-tat over this thread, on an issue that seems more like a misunderstanding now, than a genuine point of contention. So let us make a truce.
Sure, the deal is that you stop talking about stuff you don't know, and you'll stop getting in over your head with others. Seems fair.
 
Old March 21st, 2009 #89
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Well, John, Mr. de Nugent, I just watched a digital video of you speaking at a conference of some-kind in California. It was my introduction to you as a public figure, as an animated person, making a full display of their characteristics and intellectual temperament, and I must say I was rather disappointed. Specifically, I was disappointed by the passivity of your message and the plaintiff, even pleading style of your oratory. After each talking point your eyes seemed to roam the audience in search of approval. And when one considers that much of your philosophy depends on naming Jews as psychopaths, your passive style gave me the awkward sense that you were asking me to protect you from them.

I’m still a little in shock from the speech because the photos on your thread here on VNN show a confident and robust man. Indeed, even the small profile picture of you under your avatar shows a salty, masculine figure. Why then do you orate like a beggar? Like a therapist?

The movement needs an unrepentant leader. A man who will speak the truth plainly, even artfully, and who will tell the world what whites have lost, what they rightfully want, and how they will take it. Such a leader will declare why our views are right. He will not gently ask. He will not relate stories that recall spooky neighborhood boys who dismember frogs. Boys kill frogs, John. Boys who are scared of dying frogs are not good company on a hunt, and we are on a hunt, Mr. de Nugent - a hunt for justice, for restoration, and for freedom. If you cannot join the hunt then spare us all the embarrassment and become a chronographer of the movement, or one of its philosophers.

Linder may have shortcomings and mainstream types may be turned off by his rough language, but at least he has courage, John, unrepentant courage in speaking his truth. It is a quality that will not likely sprout fourth from you after “50” haunted years. You are not the one. Concede it, gentle John. You are an academic.
No. Boys who kill innocent Frogs are disturbed. As for the rest of your dribble, why don't you go out in public and "The movement needs an unrepentant leader. A man who will speak the truth plainly, even artfully, and who will tell the world what whites have lost, what they rightfully want, and how they will take it." Let's see how long you last or how many of your fellow WN's defend you from attack.

Pedantic ravings from a keyboard is the WN stock and trade. No leader is going to step up to the plate and make demands without any real life support and protection. And since WN's will never ever get off their fucking asses to give that support, a leader will not cross that fine line of courage and stupidity.
 
Old March 21st, 2009 #90
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Old March 21st, 2009 #91
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Interesting deal, Oggy but I don’t reckon I’ll take it just yet because it’s a bad deal, predicated on concessions that are unearned and requested by a man who exhibits little more than a reflexive and unreasoned contrariness. There’s that, and my natural inclination to take advantage of an opponent who presents himself as a big, soft, target.

Since you don’t want them I’ll retract my postulations as to your possible misconceptions of my identity. These alternative explanations were gifts to you, Oggy. After you confessed to having made a posting while drunk, I was inspired by my better nature and sought to give you a gentleman’s exit from the hole you’d dug yourself into. I did this because I was embarrassed for you as it seemed that you were either a regretful drunk or an undisciplined thinker. Offering you the benefit of the doubt in considering the above question, I may have erred.

Let us review some of what has happened by the numbers:

1. You have made fun of my name.
2. You have confessed to composing remarks while drunk
3. You have employed inconsistent methods in citing quotations
4. You use creative but improper punctuation for emotional effect.

The lack of intellectual rigor revealed in this list is excusable in a drunk. But the same cacophony forwarded by a dedicated white nationalist in a serious discussion reveals cognitive limitations and marks an intellect subservient to emotion. Indeed, emotion reads clearly from your declarations that my arguments are “moronic,” or that they are refuted by remarks like “whatever” or “I can’t be arsed.” Cryptic prose styles laden with emotion may offer a preemptive defense but they do so by never developing laudable arguments. They are universally destructive styles that do as much damage to their author as to his adversary.

You disapprove of de Nugent, Oggy, but at the last you and he make a pair. You’re both two sides of the same tired coin. John de Nugent is a timid expression of a haunted man, fearful of unbidden instincts and looking to the movement for catharsis. You are little more than instinct. Aggressive, confrontational, you bring the fight forward and then drive off those undecided few who’ve taken time to give witness. You drive them off by never exerting the discipline to control yourself and make a reasoned argument.

Oggy and de Nugent make a pair because you guys both champion yourselves. You both firstly need the movement. de Nugent needs it to shore up a tremulous spirit, and you need it to indulge your meaner character and your half-blind rage. And so you both represent a reversal of the necessary order of priorities, because the question of the day is: What does the movement need?

The movement needs men who will first champion its constituents. The movement needs men who realize that they will lose more than they will ever get for themselves. Such men, such a man, won’t need us for him. He will be compelled to give himself for us.

Well, I’ve said my peace and more than I intended to say really, but as before, I promise to read any response you might make. Still I should mention, Oggy that if your say is the same mix of half-stated assertions and casual antagonism I won’t respond. There is too much work ahead of me, every day, to burn time in these kinds of fights.
 
Old March 21st, 2009 #92
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You may well be right, Mack. There’s a real balance between support and leadership, and how things will actually play out is hard to say. But certainly the right leader will bring more people and more respectability to the movement, just as the wrong one will drive crucial support, articulate support, away.

I’m not suggesting that Mr. de Nugent not give his speech or attempt to define movement precepts and philosophy. I also have respect for persons who stand forward and speak openly on issues of white advocacy. In this way I respect Mr. de Nugent. But there is a prominent line between contributing to the movement and asserting oneself as preeminent. And when that assertion comes hand-in-glove with autobiographical stories recalling haunted decades and intensive therapies, those in view of the self-promoted man are left with doubts as to his clarity and his fitness.

And Mack, respectfully, frogs are not “innocent.” They cannibalize tadpoles and eat other “innocent” life forms that are going about their “innocent” business. And yes, Mack, boys kill frogs. They shoot them with .22s and pile their bodies pond-side before returning to the rushes to find their next kill. Some boys may have indulged their curiosity by dissecting a dead frog or two. Another boy, maybe ill-tempered or ill-taught, may have crushed the life out of living frogs. Such memories, recalled in haunted tones do not inspire an audience to feel confidence nor do they imbue the storyteller with an aura of leadership.
 
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I did this because I was embarrassed for you as it seemed that you were either a regretful drunk or an undisciplined thinker. Offering you the benefit of the doubt in considering the above question, I may have erred.
I guess this means I'll be getting more PM's now laughing at how you just don't get it that I was postulating on your drunkenness. I told you to go back and read again, but nope, you have to keep digging. You're a fine example of how everyone can not be saved from their own mule-headedness (this is a gentlemanly way of saying you're a jackass and telling you to fuck off in case that isn't clear).

Admitting that you have a problem is the first step, JC, but it's one you'll have to make alone since, as I wrote earlier, I can't be arsed (see again last sentence, previous paragraph).

Now get back to defending your herpacaust and leave reality to the sane.

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We should have a way of trading these guys out with niggers who are on the whole less tiresome.
 
Old April 16th, 2009 #94
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Does anyone know how Mr. de Nugent makes a living? He seems to enjoy a very comfortable lifestyle, especially since he says that his ex-wife left him totally broke only recently. I ask this question for the sake of transparency, as he wants to be a W.N. leader.
Sounds like a troll question to me.
 
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