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Mock all you like, but you won't be able to change Wiki in any significant way. People have tried many times. But if you really want to try, why don't you set up a private usergroup (so Wiki editors don't know where you're going to edit), invite people who are interested to it and begin trying? Pick a fairly harmless article and just add something to it. See how long it lasts.
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I was just pointing out the logistics of it. You'd have to have a lot of people helping, not advertise what article you are modifying to the public, and be really subtle. I'm not sure how subtle you would have to be or if people would be able to come to the conclusion that we would want though. It's worth a try if there's enough interest. |
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If nothing else, we might unleash an epidemic of paranoia that would cause the current clique of Wikipedia editors to turn on each other and burn the place down. |
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Speaking on our 'own' wikis:
I think what WN needs more is a mocking/satire site like Encyclopedia Dramatica. Which would be the form a VNN Wiki would probably be best at. I think mocking wikis have a lot more interest than stuffy wikipedia pages. ex: http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Racism Last edited by varg; July 10th, 2012 at 10:54 AM. Reason: zz |
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I personally see no point in trying to alter Wikipedia when the people running it obviously will not allow anyone to edit articles away from the conventional bias. Why waste hours that can be negated by our enemy making a simple mouse click?
I think the right thing to do is to pick a specific subset of information and make an alternative wiki. For example, a lexicon of all politically charged terminology. Translating leftspeak or jewspeak into ordinary White terms. If something like that were well done, it might attract eyeballs. There's no point to calling whites who don't want to work to revise wikipedia defeatists until you have identified precisely who owns Wikipedia, how its top editorship is structured, and a plausible way of turning the tide through coordinated effort. As far as I'm concerned, it is self-evident that it impossible to do more than alter a few basically insignficant articles around the margin for a few hours; any more ambitious attempt will get shot down. So I think it's a waste of time. The idea that taking it over is possible by my experience is ridiculous, and if it's not, then you have to explain just where the opportunity is. It's just not there. Clearly the guy running has no problem with people forcing every single article touching politics even remotely (such as stuff about Solutreans, for example) to reflect the same leftist bias we see in every other 'mainstream' utility. WN is doing just fine on the internet. Look around. There are more sites than ever. Look at the comment sections. You see our arguments almost everywhere you look. We're doing pretty well on the internet. I can think of a lot of better ways to expend energy than trying to assault a castle. Last edited by Alex Linder; July 10th, 2012 at 01:17 PM. |
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There is nothing we can come up with that will be as comprehensive as Wikipedia, therefore even if people share our bias, they are going to use the known mainstream resource because ours won't be 1/1000th as comprehensive. So instead of taking on something we can't do, we should focus on something we can do: a subset (like a political Wiki), or a different take (like satire, as Varg is saying). Become known as the place to go for something. That is how you become known and get a reputation. For example, when I started VNN, it was just me writing spintros daily. What set it apart? It was daily, it was funny, it was from a perspective you seldom see, and it was high quality. You can't get that many places. So it drew people quickly. And not by any advertising or attempt to promote it. So I would say Encylopedia Dramatica or Urban Dictionary or Metapedia are better examples of what we can do successfully. But again, stuff like this only succeeds when you have 100% dedication by at least one person over an extended amount of time. Anything short of that, it will just buzz and bust like a firework. Someone who was serious would see what's out there, would make a long-term plan, would work the plan. One person alone could probably do it. But if he had plans easily comprehensible to others, it could easily scale up with their participation. Especially for something that is incremental, like a dictionary or encyclopedia. |
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The only people listening are those who are already at least partly thinking the way we think - maybe they haven't quite put all the pieces together, and sites like VNN may help them to do that; but we are still scaring off the same people we have always scared off instead of changing their minds. To change people's minds, it is necessary to have control of the information that they use. This is why the Jews have been winning for decades, because of their control over the media, which shapes people's attitudes and how they think and behave. |
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I can just imagine something like that if the likes of Steve B and/or Mike Todd were to be involved. In fact, old threads that they've participated in probably contain enough to make a fair start.
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Just noticed this on their front page: http://encyclopediadramatica.se/The_..._of_Americunts
This could have been the same thing for the VNN "Kwan" though with more facts. ED isn't even a WN site but you can see how they almost parrot us. Last edited by varg; July 10th, 2012 at 11:27 AM. Reason: .. |
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All we have to do, so far as the internet is concerned, is keep doing more of what we are doing, particularly more video. We will never win over the masses at any point short of taking over cable tv. We will not take over cable tv through media efforts but only through having a massive national political vehicle on the verge of or already having taken power. The jews are no more going to allow WN an unmolested cable tv channel to go out over their cable satellites than they are going to allow WN to take over a mainstream internet utility like google or wikipedia. |
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The basic problem is that wikipedia says it allows anyone to edit its articles...but in fact it doesn't. It only allows you to edit if you accepts its basic editorial position, which we here all reject. Why pretend wikipedia is some neutral entity we WN have failed to use when we all know from experience that's not the case? This is a variant of the arument 'we're doing it to ourselves' - your own experience, and mine, and many others', shows that's not the case. I edited my own personal bio. They switched it back. I'm not going to waste hundreds of man-hours when they control the switches, that's foolish. I'm going to control and build and work on something that the enemy doesn't control. And trust that I can do something valuable enough to attract attention from others.
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Here is the actual truth where Scots law, the Lord Lyon, and clan chiefships are concerned; something I pointed out to the other Wikipedia editors to no avail: Quote:
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Wikipedia etc is just a diversionary tactic.
The vast majority of people don't read, they watch videos or TV. Even those who do read, are affected far more by pictures than words. A picture, especially a gif, paints a thousand words. How many adverts consist of text, and how many consist of images. There's a reason for that. With freely available poster/meme generators, they are far easier and more effective to put together than articles no-one who matters reads anyway. How many people read something doesn't matter. What does matter is who reads it, and what actions they take thereafter. Those few that do read who matter, certainly don't get their info from anonymous writers on Wikipedia. They always use primary sources, read analysts they trust, and speak to those they know. They make up their minds usually based on self-interest, on what their peer group thinks, and most important to them is what the people they know personally think. They know all to well how easy it is to be led to conclusions As V stated, "And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense." And there, in a nutshell, is how Jews led Whites into this labyrinth of nightmares. Whites now wander about lost, as Jews pop their heads around various corners shouting "Here!" No! This way" " Follow me!" then shrieking and giggling insanely like maniacs as they waddle off, panting and squealing with excitement, as they lead Whites ever deeper into the labyrinth. We can see here how they developed the labyrinth. The action that stops a nightmare, is waking up. As with all Jewish productions, the labyrinth is just an illusion. The moment you awaken and see the Jew as they are, the nightmare fades away, and the entire illusion Jews have spent so many millenia building, fades away like mist before the morning sun. Once people understand the Jew and how they work, Jewish tricks, propaganda etc mean nothing. If people don't understand the Jews, then no matter what we do, people will simply get confused. The primary task we have before us is to awaken the critical mass of people to the Jew. Nothing else we do can ever be of greater significance, and if people do nothing else but awaken others to the Jew, then they have done the most important thing they could possibly have done. We each over the course of our lives know and come into contact with thousands of people personally, family, friends, colleagues etc. and thus we are already part of immense networks, where we have great influence. We do not need to form networks, we each already have them. Over time, slowly, carefully, where we are, monitor and guide the people in our networks, select who is ready for awakening, and then awaken them. It is always easier to awaken those we know, and those who know and trust us, than try to persuade absolute strangers to trust absolute strangers. That's why its important WN join as mnay mainstream organisations as possible, not to speak about these issues to them at large, but so as to expand our networks, improve our appearance and abilities, and increase the number we can seek through to find those ready for awakening. Appearance is everything. If you appear to be a pillar of the community, and appear to be a leader, then what you say will be taken seriously. If you appear to be a lowlife, or appear to be a follower, then no-one will pay any attention to you. Dress, look and speak like other leaders do, and people will treat you like one. If you don't, they won't. We can see this with the political leaders of today. People support the person who looks like the person they always wanted to be, or who looks like father they always wanted to have.
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It would probably take about $500 million in funding turned over to Jimmy Wales or whoever he is to even get in the door. And even if you did that and began to have influence, the jews would simply use their billions to create a new wikipedia that would supplant the old one. Let's fight them where we can win. I don't see how we can build a better search engine than google, or massive online encyclopedia like Wikipedia, or video platform like youtube. These things have access to huge levels of funding and technical expertise we don't have among our own at this point. What do we have that jews don't? We have lots of good writers. We have arguments that resound with the vast majority of the white population. We can create websites and forums and radio shows outside the mainstream that are easily accessible to anyone who wants to view or listen to them. So that's where our effort should be. The rest will have to wait on an overt political solution. As we make a party and attract adherents, we will have more money in our coffers, which will expand our options. |
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The jews have a synergy we don't. They control the big known platforms, and all these mutually support and refer and network. This is nothing that can be got around short of our controlling the entire political system. But that doesn't mean there isn't important work we can do on the margins, and we're doing it. But the margins will only become mainstream when we win. And our winning is not mainly a media problem but a political problem.
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No, what we are seeing is a typical case of your disinformation. What actually matters is the official response by the Lord Lyons to you regarding your claim. Where is his official response to you in full regarding your claim?
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