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Old October 6th, 2012 #81
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Then you're already known to the authorities. And since you know the rules, you're very careful not to break them.
Alex, every single show is sufficient to send me away for seven years. I break the law here by just expressing an opinion and commenting on the reports in the controlled media.
There is no freedom of speech in Australia and state and federal racial and religious vilification legislation makes it a crime to express a point of view that is not pro-multiculturalism and pro-multiracialism.
The legislation even uses that wonderful Jew device of a clause which states that 'truth is not a defence, if that truth serves to vilify'. Those are the actual words in the legislation.
I suspect, Alex, that because you have spent your whole life wrapped in the blanket of the First Amendment that you lack an appreciation of what conditions elsewhere in the world are like.
 
Old October 6th, 2012 #82
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Alex, every single show is sufficient to send me away for seven years. I break the law here by just expressing an opinion and commenting on the reports in the controlled media.
There is no freedom of speech in Australia and state and federal racial and religious vilification legislation makes it a crime to express a point of view that is not pro-multiculturalism and pro-multiracialism.
The legislation even uses that wonderful Jew device of a clause which states that 'truth is not a defence, if that truth serves to vilify'. Those are the actual words in the legislation.
I suspect, Alex, that because you have spent your whole life wrapped in the blanket of the First Amendment that you lack an appreciation of what conditions elsewhere in the world are like.
I've compiled the Free Speech Martyrs subforum so I probably have a pretty good idea of the rules in many lands, including Australia.
 
Old October 6th, 2012 #83
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Hal Turner started with a Friday night show on shortwave radio in the late 90s as "Hal from North Bergen" with his friends Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island who still have a weekly show on Internet. They had all been callers to Bob Grant's show and other New York City talkshows. I used to call their show regularly to espouse historical revisionism, and Frank and John would get furious but then Hal would get on the phone with me privately afterward and say, "Man, that was great!" He wouldn't say that on the air, but he said it to me privately. This was several years before the FBI approached him; so that was his real opinion. He liked to hear somebody challenge the Holocaust story.

When Hal Turner broke with Frank and John and started his own show on WBCQ in 1999, he was initially rather reserved, doing what amounted to the Bob Grant show with everything turned up just a notch higher. It was very clear in that first year that Hal Turner was a conservative. He was effusive in his respect for police. If you combine that with his constant begging for money, it seems obvious in retrospect that for the FBI to ask him to work for them would be like a dream come true.

I called in a couple of times in 2000 to make revisionist arguments, and he let me talk at length but he kept his own view on the matter to himself. He was selling time to Aryan Nations, and he acquired some regular racialist and anti-Jew callers like Yankee Jim, and very gradually he started to become more critical of Jews on his show. Gradually Hal Turner began to talk in a way that I think was not so much politically radical, but inflammatory, extrapolating more and more the pattern of "right-wing hate-radio" that Bob Grant represented.

Hal Turner's best supporter was a regular $100 contributor called Al in Colorado whose manner of speech reminds me of Cheswick from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. This Al seemed to be living vicariously through Hal Turner the way Cheswick lives through Randle McMurphy. Al wanted to hear Hal Turner give 'em hell on his behalf for all the c-notes that he was sending, and I think that was a major inducement for Hal Turner to make his rhetoric inflammatory beyond reason even before the FBI approached him.

By the time the FBI started paying him around 2004 he was already headed toward provoking people to illegal activity. He was practically readymade for what they wanted.

While Turner was still working for the FBI somebody as I recall hacked into his e-mail and published the fact. That probably damaged his usefulness as an informant and may be why he was eventually dropped.

It seems to me that if Hal Turner's inflammatory statements after he was dropped as an informant were illegal, then the same kind of statement was illegal while he was working for the FBI, which means that the FBI was involved in illegal activity. It would be nice if somebody pressed that issue.

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Old October 6th, 2012 #84
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Alex

You may be right, maybe I am overthinking.

However, you underestimate me if you think I fell for Turner`s ridiculous horseshit. I simply found his style of jew bashing humorous. And yes he bashed the living crap out of the jew.... a sample to follow. The link comes from a post on this thread from our resident black racist, DeShawn, but it is Turner. Tell me you don't think this is hilarious?

http://picosong.com/wHAc/

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Old October 6th, 2012 #85
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Alex

You may be right, maybe I am overthinking.

However, you underestimate me if you think I fell for Turner`s ridiculous horseshit. I simply found his style of jew bashing humorous. And yes he bashed the living crap out of the jew.... a sample to follow. The link comes from a post on this thread from our resident black racist, DeShawn, but it is Turner. Tell me you don't think this is hilarious?

http://picosong.com/wHAc/

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Hal is certainly talented, no doubt about it.
 
Old October 6th, 2012 #86
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If you combine that with his constant begging for money, it seems obvious in retrospect that for the FBI to ask him to work for them would be like a dream come true.
Yep. That's exactly how I see it. Some people have stars in their eyes when they see cops or think of the Eff Bee Aye.

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It seems to me that if Hal Turner's inflammatory statements after he was dropped as an informant were illegal, then the same kind of statement was illegal while he was working for the FBI, which means that the FBI was involved in illegal activity. It would be nice if somebody pressed that issue.
I don't think he ever said anything illegal. The law is broader than people realize, it's just that the feds aren't willing to follow it.
 
Old October 6th, 2012 #87
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It seems to me that if Hal Turner's inflammatory statements after he was dropped as an informant were illegal, then the same kind of statement was illegal while he was working for the FBI, which means that the FBI was involved in illegal activity. It would be nice if somebody pressed that issue.
That's a very good point Hadding that has not been lost on people since all of this has transpired. FBI working with SPLC/ADL/Mossad to disenfranchise and dispossess Whites of their country is what it distills to. Put down and deracinate us while lauding other races' organizations, and then hire leaders to go down in disreputable flames. A mild OKC. Remember the day he came on and declared it was time for WNs to come to Washington and hang some congressmen? I believe he had some colorful 'string em up' phrases, and he might even have cited a few names. I think he stated that earned him just a visit from the FBI and/or SS. The radio drive to hang members of Congress was pronounced and vociferous. Clearly majorly illegal.
 
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It seems to me that if Hal Turner's inflammatory statements after he was dropped as an informant were illegal, then the same kind of statement was illegal while he was working for the FBI, which means that the FBI was involved in illegal activity.It would be nice if somebody pressed that issue.
I brought into question this convenient timing for the fbi in post 29 of this thread. As far as anyone being able to press the issue, I`d consider that wishful thinking. Not wrong thinking, just wishful.

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The scene in Knoxville was very intimidating, with choppers overhead, dogs, all kinds of police and people screaming. And he was laughing and grinning like it's a day at the park. That reinforced my initial impression. And then apparently, according to banned OTPTT, he had been waving around a gun earlier. Which is pretty much conclusive proof he's either crazy or with the cops.

Serious people don't act like Turner acted. They don't say the things he said.

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My guess is that he and couple of other radio bastards who blossomed after September 2011, as that gave US a new STASI regime full bore, and they turned over every name and phone number they could. The bastard insisted on a 1800 number which records your phone number no matter what.
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The bastard insisted on a 1800 number which records your phone number no matter what.
Hal Turner had a toll-free number LONG before he became an informant. No need to interpret everything as sinister.
 
Old October 7th, 2012 #91
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You're basically right. But all this means is the feds work doubly hard to set people up. Pretty much every "terror" plot that's exposed is 99% FBI-supplied weaponry and facilities, and 1% some ignorant WN or Muslim fool talking tough.

When people make blowhard statements about what should happen, or what they'd like to do, it is possible they will, because of those statements, attract agents from a number of agencies who will try to bait them into an easy-bake "conspiracy" they can make a federal case and prime-time bust out of.
It happens again and again. It happened to WN long before the Internet, and it's no doubt much easier to do now.

Idiots (usually drunk idiots) running off at the mouth about shit they are never going to actually do, and are clearly incapable of doing, and getting themselves jammed up in the process.

I've personally known at least two cops/informants. If you've ever been involved with organizational WN in a group that has more than a dozen members, you've probably met at least one as well.

Anybody who discusses illegal activity/their RAHOWA fantasies is either a fool, and a potentially extremely dangerous one, or a cop/informant. Period.

That was true yesterday, and it's still true in 2012. Maybe even more so.

I shake my head at some of the stuff I see people post, but hey, stupidity is expensive.
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The bastard insisted on a 1800 number which records your phone number no matter what.
Hal Turner had a toll-free number LONG before he became an informant. No need to interpret everything as sinister.
This idiot, AmericaFirst, actually gave me a negative rep point for mentioning this FACT, and wrote "Phuck you!"

No sense in citing facts to AmericaFirst. He'll just hate you for it.
 
Old October 8th, 2012 #93
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It's obvious that Hal had a cop fantasy and was role playing:

He called himself an "intelliegence operative" in open court.

He had his car outfittted with a partial "police package" including flashing lights.

He posted the names of his donors on his website in kind of an open source spy method. (Well, except the FBI)

Sounds like a cop fantasy to me.

Many, many people over the years we're worried about Hal or had misgivings about him. I remember seeing him at an AR conference in DC once. He was at the bar with a huge cigar acting like John Gotti. He was loud and making a spectical of himself. He showed my friend that he was carrying a small Olympus digital recorder in his pocket so he could "record the speeches" even though they were being broadcast on the Internet.

He constantly shilled for money. Very dramatically too, kind of like that TV precher who said he'd be struck down by God if he didn't raise enough money. Notice him hounding his FBI handler for cash in the email Alex posted.

Hopefully this serves as a cautionary tale but I'm doubtful.
 
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It's the basic problem with 'education': the ones who need it don't realize it. But there's no other way to reach anyone. So we say the same things 1000x and every 100 years, it gets through to 1-2. That sucks, but there is no other way.

If you can't tell immediately IMMEDIATELY on listening to someone like Hal Turner that at some level something aint right, you're not tall enough for this ride.
 
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At first, I thought the guy genuinely cared about the issues he talked about. He started out as a cutting edge conservative and transformed into a WN. I thought it was because of logic and reasoning that he changed.

He had a talent as a talk show host and provided a WN spin on daily headlines and events. What would be so unusual about somebody doing that? With the internet, finally a WN show could be broadcast and reach a large audience. I was really hoping it would catch on.

Then HT got flaky. Losing his temper, saying irrational things, and begging for money. It almost seemed like he acted like a coke addict.

In the end he was doing more damage than anything. But an actual FBI paid operative? What an Ass.
 
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At first, I thought the guy genuinely cared about the issues he talked about. He started out as a cutting edge conservative and transformed into a WN. I thought it was because of logic and reasoning that he changed.

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Then HT got flaky. Losing his temper, saying irrational things, and begging for money.
He was begging for money in his first year on WBCQ.

He never really became politically radical. Fundamentally he stayed conservative. He just started saying inflammatory things from an angry conservative perspective.
 
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At first, I thought the guy genuinely cared about the issues he talked about. He started out as a cutting edge conservative and transformed into a WN. I thought it was because of logic and reasoning that he changed.

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Then HT got flaky. Losing his temper, saying irrational things, and begging for money.
He was begging for money in his first year on WBCQ.

Fundamentally Hal Turner stayed conservative, and this was overt. For example, to say that what is wrong with the judicial system is a few bad judges is fundamentally conservative. This kind of thing segregationists could have said in the 50s and 60s. Hal Turner never really became radical; he just started saying inflammatory things from an angry conservative perspective.
 
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At first, I thought the guy genuinely cared about the issues he talked about. He started out as a cutting edge conservative and transformed into a WN. I thought it was because of logic and reasoning that he changed.

He had a talent as a talk show host and provided a WN spin on daily headlines and events. What would be so unusual about somebody doing that? With the internet, finally a WN show could be broadcast and reach a large audience. I was really hoping it would catch on.

Then HT got flaky. Losing his temper, saying irrational things, and begging for money. It almost seemed like he acted like a coke addict.

In the end he was doing more damage than anything. But an actual FBI paid operative? What an Ass.
It's the bluster. People don't bluster like he did. They don't make up shit about earthquakes, and guys they killed, and claim they "rule the night." This is fantasy horseshit for Walter Mittys from Walter Mittys. Yes, Hal has pro-level talent. There's no doubt about that. Many found him entertaining. He may even, and probably does, believe a lot of what he's saying. Things are not always black and white. In his case it was probably both black and white: he really does believe most of what he said, AND he really was working for the FBI to inform on WN.
 
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What I mean is, a serious person doesn't:

1) tell others to do what he won't himself. (That's why jews make evil men doing just that the leaders of nazi gangs in their movies.)

2) pretend that he has done violent heroic things that will raise him in the eyes of his dopey followers, even though he never did them or would do them.

You can pick this type out instantly, is what I'm saying. The bluster, the baseless braggadocio, the bullshit.
 
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You can pick this type out instantly, is what I'm saying. The bluster, the baseless braggadocio, the bullshit.
Yep. They're very easy to spot.
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