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Old July 12th, 2012 #361
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Of course it works. In most white countries unfortunately you couldnt even say those things, though. A party like Golden Dawn would not last one week in Germany.

But it is indeed a mystery why the US doesnt have such a party.
The key to Golden Dawn's success is that it's integrated, or at least has an understanding, with the military, special forces, and police. Without that support, it would be easy to shut the party down.

In the US, there is no real linkage between White politics and the military. No equivalent to Michaloliakos has come forward - yet. An organic buildup by prison guard Chester Doles down in Georgia, to where he had hundreds of people coming to his meetings, including cops and prison guards (I believe, never having attended one of his meetings), was crushed by ZOG's federales after they spent years and millions of dollars. That's how threatened they are the whites will get some kind of official support, even if it's only at the county level.

If you have the police against you, every little thing you do can become a problem. If the police are for you, anything you do that could be problematic can be made to go away. Today the jews and leftists are integrated with the police, but Whites are not. So jews are able to lie and smear and terrorize at will, whereas Whites are harassed, discriminated against, set up and smeared wherever they initiate activism.
 
Old July 12th, 2012 #362
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[thinking, innovating, creating, Golden Dawn is active and positive]

Far-right drive for "Greek" blood bank angers medics

ATHENS | Thu Jul 12, 2012

(Reuters) - A drive by the far-right Golden Dawn party to get Greeks to donate blood only for their fellow citizens has outraged doctors and medical authorities, who have slammed the initiative as racist and inhuman.

Golden Dawn, which enjoyed unprecedented success in last month's election after promising to rid Greece of all immigrants, put up posters in Athens calling for volunteers to donate blood "only for Greeks who need our help."

"All the bottles of blood we collect will be handed over to patients we choose and to no one else," the party said in a statement. "This right to choose belongs not just to Golden Dawn members, but to all volunteer blood donors."

The party, which denies it is neo-Nazi, said it had managed to get such a blood bank up and running at a state hospital in Athens.

But health officials said this would be illegal, and the hospital's manager, Yiannis Stefanou, said there would be no discrimination as the rules required all blood donations to be made available to all patients who need them.

One of the biggest doctors' unions in Athens said the Golden Dawn initiative was an "insane, unscientific, illegal and racist action" and promised to do everything necessary to protect the "sacred procedure of blood donation".

"This would be inhuman. If someone needs blood, he or she should have every right to get it no matter who they are," a health ministry official said.

Golden Dawn, which won seats in parliament this year for the first time, has been flaunting its success by pushing increasingly prominent anti-immigrant initiatives in recent weeks.

Five years of recession linked to the euro zone debt crisis have fuelled increasingly virulent anti-immigrant sentiment in Greece, which has long struggled to cope with an influx of illegal migrants from Asia and Africa.

(Reporting by Maria Paravantes, writing by Deepa Babington, editing by Tim Pearce)



Golden Dawn pushes Greek-only blood bank
Posted By Joshua Keating Thursday, July 12, 2012



Given that far-right parties tend to somewhat moderate their positions when they're actually in government, the degree to which Greece's Golden Dawn party has thoroughly lived up to its reputation for buffoonish, neo-Nazi thuggery since its electoral success has been a bit suprising. Their latest provocation is a Greek-only blood donation drive:

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Golden Dawn, which enjoyed unprecedented success in last month's election after promising to rid Greece of all immigrants, put up posters in Athens calling for volunteers to donate blood "only for Greeks who need our help."

"All the bottles of blood we collect will be handed over to patients we choose and to no one else," the party said in a statement. "This right to choose belongs not just to Golden Dawn members, but to all volunteer blood donors."

The party, which denies it is neo-Nazi, said it had managed to get such a blood bank up and running at a state hospital in Athens.
Right... nothing Nazi about policing racial purity in blood donations. A Greek doctor's union called the plan an "insane, unscientific, illegal and racist action"

The Times reported on Tuesday that Golden Dawn members have also been threatening immigrant shopkeepers in Athens.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...nly_blood_bank
 
Old July 12th, 2012 #363
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What do you see in every photo of Golden Dawn?

Young, strong, aggressive men.

That's where radical change comes from.
 
Old July 12th, 2012 #364
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One of the biggest doctors' unions in Athens said the Golden Dawn initiative was an "insane, unscientific, illegal and racist action" and promised to do everything necessary to protect the "sacred procedure of blood donation".
The system set up by commies like him is "sacred" - but Golden Dawn's plan is "unscientific" ...... "Insane, illegal & racist" too. Kikes decide what those things are, so big whoop.

GD is trying to offer Greeks the free-choice option of reserving their humanitarianism for their own people. If Whites in other countries could do the same, one of the most nutrient-rich White sow teats niggers, spics & rags so greedily suckle with their pillowy lips would dry up in a jew Yawk minute. Whitey would be able to sidestep some of Shmuel's stickiest we-all-be-in-dis-shit-tuhgetha social tar pits.

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Given that far-right parties tend to somewhat moderate their positions when they're actually in government, the degree to which Greece's Golden Dawn party has thoroughly lived up to its reputation for buffoonish, neo-Nazi thuggery since its electoral success has been a bit suprising.
ha ha this is a good one. GD stands behind what it says 100% and it will not water down its ideology or actions for anyone. They simply don't care about becoming 'respectable' by toning down their message. This is so unlike conservative Western politics which is simply about fooling people and lying to them in order to get votes and then betraying them.
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Old July 13th, 2012 #366
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1) All globalists, 'human rights' communists, jews and leftists ought to be slaughtered. The amount of misery they have inflicted on the world is incalculable, and they need to be underground so normal people can live in peace.

2) If the Nazis used a technique or practice, that does not make it a "Nazi" practice. The Nazis used forks and spoons; that does not mean forks and spoons are Nazi utensils. The Nazi discovered the way to defeat the jews, and deserve credit for it. But the techniques involved are peculiar neither to Nazis, to Germany/Germans, nor to anyone. They are independent and objective and universal - anyone can use/copy these techniques if they want to find success fighting the kikes. There's a lot of bigotry among normals (non-judeo-leftists) particularly in the Angloworld that rejects superior methods purely because they aren't British in origin. This stupidity is largely why the Anglo world has never been able to fight off the jew, and in many ways was the first to succumb to its influence.
I agree with you, these two points are pure truth.
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Old July 13th, 2012 #367
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ha ha this is a good one. GD stands behind what it says 100% and it will not water down its ideology or actions for anyone. They simply don't care about becoming 'respectable' by toning down their message. This is so unlike conservative Western politics which is simply about fooling people and lying to them in order to get votes and then betraying them.
Yes. It's delightful. It's amazing. It's something I have never seen before. This is what politics looks like when done correctly. Golden Dawn is always on the offensive, never the defensive. That's one way we know it's solid. You never find the judeoites on the defensive, they are always on the attack, accusing others of being some haters, in one form or another.

Golden Dawn is working both sides, the hard and the soft. The hard is the elections, the formal represenation, the politicking (even if democratic), the attacks on the media, the attacks on the communists and other opponents, and the physical defense of its people by bringing criminal alien invaders to justice. And it's working the soft side by fighting fires, helping old women do errands, setting up blood banks, helping people get food...and providing other services.

Golden Dawn is what genuine White politics looks like. How good it feels to say that. Other clueless White Nationalists who have shot their wad backing non-starters like FN in France and BNP in Britain ought to take a clue. If you're playing by the rules set by your enemies, by definition you cannot win. If you "can't" do what you need to do to win, then you have almost a pre-political problem, and need to work on that rather than participate in a rigged game. This is the situation the British in particular find themselves in. And the Germans too. Perhaps the French as well, altho I'm less familiar. If you can't do what you need to do because it's illegal, then you need to make inroads into the cops, as Golden Dawn has done. That is your job #1.
 
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Yes. It's delightful. It's amazing. It's something I have never seen before. This is what politics looks like when done correctly. Golden Dawn is always on the offensive, never the defensive. That's one way we know it's solid. You never find the judeoites on the defensive, they are always on the attack, accusing others of being some haters, in one form or another.
I think that is why Dr. Pierce liked them so much. The BNP have suffered at the polls because they have watered down policy. The ordinary White Briton thinks the party has sold out and won't vote for it anymore. The FN are riding the crest of the anti immigration mood in France, but Marine Le Pen has stated she intends to "soften the FN voice".
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Greece: Golden Dawn party accused of organizing racist blood drive

The far-right Golden Dawn party is organizing a blood drive--but you have to be Greek to donate.

Amy Silverstein July 13, 2012


Members of the 'Golden Dawn' nationalist group hold a copy of the Greek sixth-grade history book before burning it, while protesting in Athens during the celebrations of the Greek Independence Day. (Louisa Gouliamaki/AFP/Getty Images)

The far-right Golden Dawn party is accused of organizing a racist blood drive. The party is trying to get Greeks to donate blood exclusively to other Greek-born citizens. The party said it has enough blood to run its own blood bank at a state hospital. "All the bottles of blood we collect will be handed over to patients we choose and to no one else," the party said in a statement, Reuters reported. "This right to choose belongs not just to Golden Dawn members, but to all volunteer blood donors."

Except they don't actually have that right. Health officials said that organizing a blood bank that practices discrimination would be illegal. "This would be inhuman. If someone needs blood, he or she should have every right to get it no matter who they are," a health ministry official told Reuters.

And a major doctors' union in Athens said the plan is “insane, unscientific, illegal and racist action,” the Greek Reporter reported. But the plan comes at a time when the Golden Dawn party has seen unprecedented popularity. The party won 18 seats in the Parliament based on its campaign to get rid of all immigrants in Greece. Golden Dawn Party members have been tied to many attacks on immigrants, the Greek Reporter said.

Human Rights Watch told the Agence France-Presse that it interviewed 59 people who were victim to a xenophobic incident the past three years in Greece. “Xenophobic violence is a pervasive, shocking and well-known fact,” Judith Sunderland, a researcher at the group, said at a news conference in Greece this week, according to the AFP. “We are not seeing an adequate response from the Greek state."

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Old July 13th, 2012 #370
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It's one of the worst crimes a man can commit.

- rape
- robbery
- murder

- running a blood drive . . .

...and Golden Dawn stands "accused" of it.
 
Old July 13th, 2012 #371
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The jew Silverstein does something Pierce used to remark on - treating 'racism' as though it's a crime when it's not. How can "running a racist blood drive" be an accusation when 1) the party in question is openly proclaiming it, and; 2) it's not against the law?

Real reporting would look something like this:

Jews and illiberals yesterday announced their opposition to a Greeks-only blood drive initiated by their hated enemy Golden Dawn.

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Old July 13th, 2012 #372
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Medics Outraged at Far-Right Party Proclaiming Blood Donations for Greeks Only

By Marianna Tsatsou on July 12, 2012 in News



A few days ago, far-right Golden Dawn party announced their decision to run blood donations for Greeks only. Doctors and medical authorities of the country expressed their outrage over this statement and marked it as “inhuman and racist.”

Golden Dawn has recently organized kitchen soups for Greek citizens as well, not permitting people of other ethnicities to attend. They put up posters all over Athens calling for volunteers to donate blood “for Greeks who need our help.”

Party members, commenting on the blood donation, made clear that bottles collected will be provided to people they choose, not to everyone. They also added that they will cooperate with a big Athens-based hospital on the “selection” of patients.

But, as appears, it was a big lie. Health officials replied that such action would be illegal. Moreover, hospital’s manager Yiannis Stefanou said that they will not make any such discrimination, no matter what party members claim.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012...r-greeks-only/
 
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Greeks know what lies and hate are and who propagates them, and they are not going to take any more it appears to me.
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Old July 13th, 2012 #374
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I left a polite comment for the stupid kitchen-soups broad in article above, which I record here just in case they erase it and it's lost to herstory:

It's soup kitchens, not kitchen soups. And you have no proof that anyone is outraged. Why shouldn't Greeks care about THEIR OWN PEOPLE more than a bunch of nasty criminal alien flotsam from the Turd World? Riddle me that, batbroad.
 
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Golden Dawn Wants Blood Only For Greeks, Threatens Immigrants
By Andy Dabilis on July 12, 2012 in Economy, Health, News, Politics


Golden Dawn celebrators holding flares in Thessaloniki after the June 17 elections.

ATHENS – Sitting in Parliament for only a couple of weeks, the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party has expanded its anti-immigrant campaign to begin a drive to get Greeks to donate blood only for Greeks, outraging doctors and health care officials who said it was racist and would not be allowed. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany practices to keep “pure” blood lines, Golden Dawn has put up posters around the city calling for volunteers to donate blood “only for Greeks who need our help.”

The recruitment call added, “All the bottles of blood we collect will be handed over to patients we choose and to no one else. This right to choose belongs not just to Golden Dawn members, but to all volunteer blood donors.” The party, which denies it is neo-Nazi, said it had managed to get such a blood bank up and running at the Sotiria Hospital, in Athens which health officials said was unlawful. The hospital’s manager, Yiannis Stefanou, said there would be no discrimination as the rules required all blood donations to be made available to all patients who need them.

One of the biggest doctors’ unions in Athens said the Golden Dawn initiative was an “insane, unscientific, illegal and racist action” and promised to do everything necessary to protect the “sacred procedure of blood donation.” A health ministry official told Reuters that there cannot be limitations on who receives blood. “This would be inhuman. If someone needs blood, he or she should have every right to get it no matter who they are.”

Golden Dawn got 18 seats in the Parliament based on a virulent campaign to rid Greece of all immigrants, and some of its members have been tied to vicious gang assaults on immigrants, a favorite tactic. The group is capitalizing on the country’s economic crisis, pitting Greeks who are being pushed into poverty by austerity measures against immigrants. The New York Times reported that Golden Dawn members are also threatening immigrant shop owners.

The paper said some 50 members on motorbikes, brandishing big wooden poles, swirled around a western Athens neighborhood with a large immigrant population and told them to get out of town. “They said: ‘You’re the cause of Greece’s problems. You have seven days to close or we’ll burn your shop — and we’ll burn you,’ ” said Mohammed Irfan, a legal Pakistani immigrant who owns a hair salon and two other stores. When he called the police for help, he said, the officer who answered said they did not have time to come to the aid of immigrants like him. Greek media reports said that half of Greek police officers voted for Golden Dawn in the critical June 17 elections and the Times said that the neo-Nazis are being emboldened by implicit support from the government.

The new coalition government led by New Democracy Prime Minister Antonis Samaras has joined parts of the Golden Dawn platform and is further pushing detention centers to house unlawful immigrants as Samaras has similarly promised to empty Greece of them. The National Association of Hospital Doctors (EINAP) also issued a statement stressing that the “sacred character of the donation process and disposal of blood” must be safeguarded according to universal and international standards. The advocacy groups Human Rights Watch and the Athens office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees have issued recent reports accusing Greece of tolerating racism.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012...ns-immigrants/
 
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When he called the police for help, he said, the officer who answered said they did not have time to come to the aid of immigrants like him.
That's the big difference between Greece and most western nations; western cops are 100% slaves to zog. They don't think for themselves, jews think for them.
 
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Greece: the simmering revolt

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Ed Maltby and Martin Thomas visited Thessaloniki and Athens between 4 and 9 July to find out more about what the Greek left is doing. This is their report.

To build too much on quick impressions is foolish. Not to formulate impressions is worse than foolish. It leaves us guided only by generalisations and summaries which reach us only after being filtered by others’ preconceptions.

Foolishness can lead to learning, by way of us formulating impressions and having them shown to be wrong (and why). Flat reliance on general formulas given in advance cannot.

That said, here are our impressions of a week in Thessaloniki and Athens talking and listening to people from many different strands of the Greek left and labour movement.

Greece is simmering. It is not boiling. It is not simmering down, either. New open eruptions are likely, but in the autumn rather than now.

Syriza, the left coalition which soared from 4.5% in the 2009 election to 27% in the June 2012 poll, on a programme of reversing the Memorandum agreed by Greek governments with the EU, ECB, and IMF, and nationalising the banks under social and workers’ control, plans to convert from a coalition into a party, and has set itself the aim of building a mass membership linked to Popular Assemblies in neighbourhoods.

Syriza economist John Milios talked of a target of 200,000 members. Miltos Ikonomou, Syriza leader in Thessaloniki, cited a more cautious target of increasing Syriza membership in the city to 5000 from about 2000 today and 1200 a year ago.

Miltos told us that the planned Popular Assemblies have already started, with 100 at a first local open-air meeting in Thessaloniki. Other activists were more sceptical about how fast Syriza can or will go with the Assemblies, especially over the summer, when activity usually dips if only because of the heat.

One activist particularly sceptical of Syriza, Mihalis Skourtis of OKDE-Spartakos, opened his conversation with us by stating that the main thing is that, after the relative lull of the two election periods, all the organisations of the Greek left and radical left must get back on the streets. Now! Then he explained that, realistically, by “now”, he meant after the end of August.

We learned a bit about trade union structures in Greece. In Greece, a “union”, or a “first level union” anyway, is made up of workers in a particular firm or workplace or trade.

The Thessaloniki Trade Union Centre, for example, covers 250 “first level” unions, with a total of 100,000 members. The smallest of those unions has 22 members; the biggest, the local bus workers’, almost 3000.

The “first level” unions have sizeable autonomy. They can and do call strikes by assembling their members and having an on-the-spot vote. Workplace activists in Greece, unlike in Britain, do not have to go through a complex process of getting a remote national union leadership to run a postal ballot for a strike.

However, wider action depends on the higher “levels” of the union structure. There, things are not so good. The higher-level union offices and officials are (or have been) paid for by the government. They can and often do preside over dormant and neglected “first-level” unions. They can call one-day or two-day general strikes — sixteen of them so far — without serious follow-up and without serious organising in the workplaces.

Things are changing. Union posts come up for election every two or three years. Spiros, an activist with the Trotskyist group OKDE in Thessaloniki, told us: “Within the next six months or a year, the old Pasok officials will be voted out of the union leaderships. The biggest gainers can be the far left — more a broad spectrum of unaffiliated far left activists than the organised far-left groups.

“In the unions you can’t really separate Syriza and the far left. They work together. Sometimes rank and file Syriza activists are more left-wing than rank-and-file activists of Antarsya” [a coalition of ten revolutionary groups, which criticises Syriza harshly as rightward-moving reformist].

Other activists put it more cautiously, but agreed that big changes in the union leaderships are probable.

The other twist here, which must tend to shake things up even apart from the union elections, is that for some months now the Greek government has stopped paying the trade-union centres’ bills and the union officials’ wages. The government says it will sort out some new arrangement sometime, but has not said when.

Some activists suggested to us that Greek society is still in a process of emerging from decades of depoliticisation.

Giannis Vogiatzis, a long-standing activist of Xekinima in Thessaloniki, was very pleased with the large number of copies of its paper which his group had sold when Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras came to speak during the election campaign in Thessaloniki’s huge Aristotelous Square.

But, he noted ruefully, even then the square was not quite full; and Pasok and New Democracy had attempted no open election rallies at all in Thessaloniki. In the 1980s, he recalled, both Pasok and New Democracy election rallies would fill Aristotelous Square right from the sea front to the Venizelos statue.

Greece has probably as many different Trotskyist groups as Britain, and a swathe of other revolutionary groups more coloured by the tradition of the now diehard-Stalinist KKE (Communist Party of Greece).

Spiros from OKDE told us that all the currents of the revolutionary left have grown markedly in the crisis. “Nobody has doubled”, he cautioned. Some groups told us they had indeed doubled, or more.

In any case, the Greek revolutionary left is visibly more youthful and zestful than the British. The groups are smaller than they are in Britain, but they have a population one-fifth the size to draw from, and in proportion to population they are surely bigger.

We talked with many different groups. With OKDE, we ran up against stubborn political differences on attitudes to the European Union, on its call for a “Constituent Assembly”, and on attitudes to Syriza; but found their assessments of political life careful and thought-provoking, and their serious approach to work in trade unions and neighbourhood organisations undeniable. We found a group we knew very little about before we came to Greece, Kokkino, instructive and lucid.

Time is needed for the revolutionary left as well as for the general processes of politicisation. More or less the whole revolutionary left has the broad idea that they can win large numbers of workers to revolutionary socialist organisation as the reformist leadership of Syriza is put to the test and found wanting. Some also point to a risk that if the revolutionary left cannot achieve that, then demoralisation which will follow the Syriza leadership being put to the test and doing badly will throw the political initiative into the hands of the far right.

Yet the revolutionary socialist left is divided by large differences: over attitudes to Syriza, over attitudes to the euro and the EU, etc. For it to surge forward, it will need to unify — or at least, some sizeable chunk of it will need to unify — around a political synthesis achieved through thrashing out those differences.

All discussions on political evolution in the Greek working class are in the shadow of the bulk of the KKE, which is Greece’s oldest political party and arguably also its most deeply-rooted. The KKE was down to 4.5% of the vote in June 2012 (from 7.5% in 2009, 8.2% in 2007). Stefanos from OKDE told us that despite the KKE’s revolutionary-ish dialect, its life is in fact heavily focused on electoral success, and the electoral setback is grave.

KKE systematically organises its own demonstrations and rallies away from the main activities of the trade unions and the left, even on general strike days. When many thousands of young people come to events like the annual Anti-Racist Festivals in Thessaloniki (29 June/ 1 July) and Athens (6/8 July), all the rest of the left are there, but absolutely not the KKE.

Andreas Kloke from OKDE-Spartakos told us that the KKE is “the most right-wing part of the movement, and also always trying to split the movement” — and this despite the fact that Spartakos is a member in good standing of the Antarsya alliance, which in its official comment on the June election result deplored the fall in the KKE vote as “not a positive thing”, as indicative of the movement becoming less radical.

KKE stands like a large stone in the way of a flow by the Greek working class towards revolutionary socialist politics. Time will be needed, again, to wear that stone down sufficiently, or push it aside.

In May 1917, in the maelstrom of the Russian Revolution, Lenin struck his keynote as follows: “We Bolsheviks must patiently and perseveringly explain our views to the workers and peasants. Each of us must forget our old view of our work, each, without waiting for the arrival of an agitator, a propagandist, a more knowledgeable comrade who will explain everything — each of us must become all in one: agitator, propagandist and Party organiser. That is the only way we can get the people to... think over their experience and really take power into their own hands”.

That politics in Greece may need a good run of “patiently explaining” does not mean that times are dim. However, the rise of the Golden Dawn neo-Nazis may limit the time for “patiently explaining”. They got 7% of the vote in both the May and June elections.

Assessments on the Greek left vary. Some say that the bulk of the Golden Dawn vote is atomised and incoherent protest, and social agitation and action will undercut it. The SEK (Greek group linked to the SWP in Britain) calls for the Greek state to ban Golden Dawn, though the Syriza reformists we discussed with did not. Some anarchists resort to single combat with Golden Dawn over the heads of local communities. In any case, no coherent and united response by the left to Golden Dawn has emerged yet.

When we went to the Trade Union Centre in Thessaloniki, a water worker, Costas, not only answered our questions about water privatisation in Greece, but also asked us a question. Is Thessaloniki as we expected? One of us replies that what we have been told by many people indicates that there is great trouble and suffering behind closed doors, from unemployment and poverty.

Yes, replies Costas. Things look “normal” in and near the city centre. But it is different further out. “People are sleeping in doorways, and sorting through garbage heaps to find something to eat. That didn’t happen before”.

Costas believes that the trade unions in other countries “must inform people that the problem with have in Greece is a problem will will have in every country. It is a system problem. When they are done with us, and with Spain and Italy, they will go on to others, maybe France.

“We have to change the rules where everything is privatised and everything goes to a few people”.

Both Thessaloniki and Athens look at first sight as if they were built in a hurry, by erecting long rows of middle-rise concrete-box-buildings, from about the 1960s, and at the edges sometimes slapdash, though in the centres round patches of Roman, Byzantine, or classical ruins. In and near the city centres, there are some shuttered shops and cafes, and some beggars. But nothing dramatic. The remaining cafes have plenty of people sipping iced coffee through straws, playing backgammon, and chatting. Public transport works, rather better than in England. In the evenings, when cooler temperatures arrive, hundreds of young people sit and stroll round the White Tower in Thessaloniki, chatting and socialising rather than raging or rioting. Superficially, Greece today looks less like a country in the grip of crisis and acute decay than Thatcher’s Britain or Volcker’s and Reagan’s USA did in the early 1980s.

There are political posters on the walls, but not a huge number. As in France, for example, graffiti on walls are more common than in England, but mostly not political. In a week we saw only one public street paper sale or stall by the left, an ineffectual group of KKE youth trying to sell Rizopastis. The main papers of the left — Syriza’s Avgi and Epohi, the KKE’s Rizopastis, and Prin (from the New Left Current, the biggest group in Antarsya) sell mainly through newspaper kiosks and newsagents. (Unlike in Britain, a law obliges the wholesalers to supply all papers above a certain print-run, without discrimination against the left). The cities do not look like Lisbon or Oporto in 1974-6.

But to be suffering, outraged, thoughtful, rebel-minded, does not necessarily mean to parade the streets looking “abnormal”, with a rictus of rage always on your face, or ostentatiously in rags.

Yanis Varoufakis, Greece’s best-known economist, says that now: “Greeks are in a catatonic state one moment, in a state of rage another”. What looks “catatonic” to professor Varoufakis may be, in real life, people thinking things through.


Syriza and “Plan B”

Miltos Ikonomou, a leader of Syriza in Thessaloniki, spoke to us in the Syriza office in the city, a set of rooms above a cafe, while other, mostly young, Syriza members hurried about and phones rang repeatedly.

How, we asked, does Syriza explain that Greece will be better with a left government?

“With our social programme. We want the people to support us and get involved. We want something like the Popular Unity in Chile”.

A reforming left government, with wide popular mobilisation behind it, held office in Chile in 1970-3. It was overthrown by a bloody military coup in September 1973. So we asked: But with a different ending?

“Yes... Like Chavez in Venezuela. We want a popular government”.

Greece under a Syriza left government: would it be socialist or capitalist?

“We believe we can bring a socialist society, our dream, step by step. Of course the first left government of Syriza will have a socialist programme”.

What about the possibility of a violent retaliation by the state? [From 1967 to 1974 Greece had a military dictatorship, and its 20th century history included many other military coups].

“In the army and the police there are people who support us. The situation in Greece now is different from 20 years ago.

“The people in the army and the police don’t want to be involved in politics”.

But 50% of the police voted for Golden Dawn?

“Not of the whole police. 50% of the special [riot] police, MAT. The problem is the education those people have received. When we get government, we will abolish the MAT. We want a different kind of police”.


Miltos seemed genuinely perplexed, and asked another older Syriza comrade to talk with us. We re-posed the question, mentioning obstruction of reforming left governments by the top civil service as well as the possibility of reaction from the army and police.

“I don’t know... If there is a violent reaction from them, there will be a violent reaction from the people.

“Most likely is a refusal to cooperate. We had a case here in Thessaloniki recently when there was a problem among the anarchists. Some are more violent, some are more social, but the police arrested them all.

“We could have problems. I don’t know how to deal with it. It would be very difficult to change all the chiefs of the police and so on, but maybe that is the answer...”

Plainly the comrades went away to think about it more: since then we’ve had an email from the Syriza office detailing Syriza’s proposals on the police, which do indeed include the disbandment of MAT, demilitarisation of anti-insurrectional special troops, a ban on police wearing masks or using firearms during demonstrations, union rights for police, etc.

We also talked with revolutionaries within Syriza about this issue.


The Trotskyists inside Syriza

The leaders of Syriza are long-established reformists, long committed to a strategy of achieving socialism “step by step“ by successively better “renegotiations“ with capitalist power.

Some of the groups in the Syriza coalition, and indeed also some of the members of Synaspismos, the leading group within Syriza, are more left-wing.

Members of DEA (Internationalist Workers‘ Left) and Kokkino (Red), two Trotskyist groups within Syriza, spoke to us about the issue.

Nikos Anastasiadis. a DEA member in Thessaloniki, said that the leadership faction around Tsipras does not fully appreciate the seriousness of a confrontation between a left government and the state.

How would Syriza government would cope with non-co-operation from the state apparatus? “Tsipras thinks he can control the state apparatus with the help of the movement and of collaborators inside the civil service. In fact Syriza would have to rely on the labour movement and workers‘ control of services to implement its programme. For example, they would have to rely on the workers of the tax collection service rather than the heads of the service.“

Nikos sees DEA‘s task not as convincing the Syriza leadership of the real stakes and the real nature of a confrontation with the state, but rather of “building up the social forces that would organise a response“.

This will take time, he thinks. The Greek labour movement was, in his view, at a much lower stage of development than the Chilean labour movement of 1970-3.

Xaris, a Kokkino member in Thessaloniki, drew another analogy — that of the “Committees for the Defence of the Revolution“ which appeared in Venezuela during the right-wing coup against Chavez, and which operated public services and mobilised against the coup.

Nikos was scathing about the revolutionary groups who form an alternative electoral alliance, Antarsya, rather than participating in Syriza as revolutionaries: “Antarsya was set up to ‘protect‘ the members of the revolutionary left from the influence of Syriza.“

Xaris from Kokkino put it differently: “Antarsya and EEK [another Trotskyist group outside Syriza] are probably right about the intentions of [Syriza leader Alexis] Tsipras. You can see this not only in terms of his decision to talk about ‘renegotiating‘ rather than scrapping the Memorandum; but also in the way that the leadership ‘forgot‘ about migrants and the demand for open borders in their slogans.

“But Syriza is not just about what Tsipras says. It is also about the expectations of most workers. Syriza is the only hope for most workers. If you want to win people to socialism, you have to start from where they are. We need to organise workers to support Syriza in a move to the left. The position of Antarsya is defeatist“.

DEA and Kokkino agree on the need for the unity of revolutionaries inside Syriza to fight for a socialist programme.

But they also agree that if the large numbers of workers who supported Syriza as the electoral expression of their struggle against austerity are able to intervene within Syriza, that will have a more significant leftward effect than all the members of the existing left-wing currents within Syriza put together.

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Greece: Golden Dawn party accused of organizing racist blood drive

The far-right Golden Dawn party is organizing a blood drive--but you have to be Greek to donate.

This reminded me of a somewhat similar situation in Serbia some years ago.Of course the communist NATO run gulag known as 'democratic' Serbia cannot be compared to a serious country like Greece, which for all its faults still has freedom of expression and assembly.

Shiptars {albanians} in Serbia, apart from doing the dirty work like cleaning toilets collecting trash and other work that most Serbs will not do, are also known for owning lots of bakeries throughout the country. Stupid Serb cattle buys much of its bread from shiptar shops, the money they spend in shiptar shops then winds up funding the cleansing of Serbs from kosovo and other parts of south Serbia which are heavily infested with albanians.

Now aiming to raise awareness of this and to explain to the people that buying bread from albanians while their countrymen rape cleanse and murder Serbs in kosovo is not a good thing a group of Serb nationalists decided to bake thousands of loaves of bread and set up stands on the street in front of some shiptar bakeries where they began giving away free loaves of bread to Serbs who came to buy bread from the shiptars.
As soon as this began the police arrived and confiscated all the bread from the nationailsts, arrested them and banned any similar activity from taking place in the future on the grounds that it is racist and represents an attack on Serbia's anti discrimination laws. The hate media went insane bringing on all sorts of human rights activists and local jews condemning the nationalists, claiming that Serb society was barbaric and that more needed to be done in terms of harsher laws and education so that no one will ever think of attempting this again.
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Yes. It's delightful. It's amazing. It's something I have never seen before. This is what politics looks like when done correctly. Golden Dawn is always on the offensive, never the defensive. That's one way we know it's solid. You never find the judeoites on the defensive, they are always on the attack, accusing others of being some haters, in one form or another.

Golden Dawn is working both sides, the hard and the soft. The hard is the elections, the formal represenation, the politicking (even if democratic), the attacks on the media, the attacks on the communists and other opponents, and the physical defense of its people by bringing criminal alien invaders to justice. And it's working the soft side by fighting fires, helping old women do errands, setting up blood banks, helping people get food...and providing other services.

Golden Dawn is what genuine White politics looks like. How good it feels to say that. Other clueless White Nationalists who have shot their wad backing non-starters like FN in France and BNP in Britain ought to take a clue. If you're playing by the rules set by your enemies, by definition you cannot win. If you "can't" do what you need to do to win, then you have almost a pre-political problem, and need to work on that rather than participate in a rigged game. This is the situation the British in particular find themselves in. And the Germans too. Perhaps the French as well, altho I'm less familiar. If you can't do what you need to do because it's illegal, then you need to make inroads into the cops, as Golden Dawn has done. That is your job #1.


Yes, all good points.

Just compare one Michalakis to a Nick Griffin or Marine Le Pen, it is a completely different level of politics.

It was pathetic seeing Griffin on BBC some years ago clearly shaking from nerves when the jew media went on the attack. His public denouncing of NS, David Duke, sucking up to Israel, etc when the jew media put on the pressure, you could see that he totally lost it. Compare that with Michalakis who shouts and openly threatens the enemies of Greece in front of live national TV, whose bodyguards yell at system reporter hacks to stand up straight and show respect when the leader walks into the room.
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Golden Dawn wants Greece to share a border with Serbia, which goes against the US-EU-NATO-Albanian-Turkish geopolitical order.

They put up these posters all over the north of the country.



The translation of this Greek text is:

“The only solution for [Greek] Macedonia is for it to border with Serbia”
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