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Old January 8th, 2005 #41
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Is there something unusual about a prominent German visiting the US? It doesn't constitute evidence ...
By itself, no. The amount of strangeness that comes with Von Braun coupled with it is where the rub comes.

I know he's still worshipped in some circles but VB was way too much of an Albert Speer for some of us. There are white men who'll work for anybody and chuck their principles at the drop of a hat -- which makes one wonder if they had any in the first place. Bad enough. But worse is the sheer number and calibre of men like this who went from working for Hitler to working for his mortal enemies as if they were just switching jobs from Ford to GM. Either physicists and mathematicians have no honor whatever, or there's another story.

Since the USSR discorporated (officially at least) the amount of information declassified on this subject has made it clear that there indeed is another story. World War II was not "the good war" the court historians have made it out to be.

VB's biography was heavily doctored by the Americans after he switched after the war. Again of itself this is probably nothing. But when you discover that his entire crew had new bios written and documented for them by the CIA it adds up to something lots more interesting.

One of VB's mates was given an entirely new identity -- as a "holocaust survivor". I kid you not. And this ain't theory, it's documented and declassified.

Like I said, I'll let everyone know when I put the blog up.
 
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Please do. Always wondered about that arrangement. How the U.S. felt comfortable with scientists formerly working for a supposed enemy.
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Old January 9th, 2005 #43
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By itself, no. The amount of strangeness that comes with Von Braun coupled with it is where the rub comes.

I know he's still worshipped in some circles but VB was way too much of an Albert Speer for some of us. There are white men who'll work for anybody and chuck their principles at the drop of a hat -- which makes one wonder if they had any in the first place. Bad enough. But worse is the sheer number and calibre of men like this who went from working for Hitler to working for his mortal enemies as if they were just switching jobs from Ford to GM.
I don't think that there was a lot of choice in the matter. Tell me the names of some Germans who were given a chance to be at peace with the victors and turned it down. And did they even have a choice? The German scientists taken by the USSR certainly did not. This is a bit like criticizing Pétain for accepting France's defeat in 1940 (although I advise against pressing that analogy in every detail, since the debacle was actually an opportunity for French patriots to clean house and to prevent the deplorable condition that France is in today). I suspect that Wernher von Braun and other Germans who went to work for the US consoled themselves that they were at least working against Communism, and I would add that their work for the US helped to counter the effects of wartime propaganda. I think the caricature of WVB by Jewish actor Peter Sellers in Jewish director Stanley Kubric's Dr. Strangelove, along with other postwar Jewish grumblings (e.g. the legend built up around Operation Paperclip and MK Ultra) shows what the Jewish feeling about the postwar employment, and concommitant rehabilitation, of German scientists has been. They hate it.
 
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I think the caricature of WVB by Jewish actor Peter Sellers in Jewish director Stanley Kubric's Dr. Strangelove, along with other postwar Jewish grumblings (e.g. the legend built up around Operation Paperclip and MK Ultra) shows what the Jewish feeling about the postwar employment, and concommitant rehabilitation, of German scientists has been. They hate it.
Sure. Absolutely, but the problem is that by the time the Jews were making movies like this, the war had been over for 20 years and Germany had been paying tribute to Israel (and "holocaust survivors") for almost a generation. It's either raising "sore winning" to the cosmic level or something else is going on.

My first feelings when I got into this were that a few strands were out of joint, like everybody else. Now I think the whole history of that war needs to be rewritten from the ground up.

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Sure. Absolutely, but the problem is that by the time the Jews were making movies like this, the war had been over for 20 years and Germany had been paying tribute to Israel (and "holocaust survivors") for almost a generation. It's either raising "sore winning" to the cosmic level or something else is going on.

My first feelings when I got into this were that a few strands were out of joint, like everybody else. Now I think the whole history of that war needs to be rewritten from the ground up.

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Old January 18th, 2005 #47
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There's a fairly persistent rumor that WWII Germany developed stealth. It beats the old faked "nazi UFO' pictures by miles:


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Old January 19th, 2005 #49
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KLM:

I guess, but neither of these pictures look like the ones I found two years ago, which I can't find now. (The earlier ones had no markings and were shaped even odder. The Russians found them in at an SS facility.)

Nick Cook covers all this in The Hunt for Zero Point. He provides no photos, but the SS was absolutely years ahead on stealth. I found that impressive. I used to think the V-rockets were all they were working on.
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From the UFO Files...

1944: SECRETS OF THE
ANTARCTIC REICH

If you had been a Wehrmacht soldier at the bombed-out
railroad station in Poltava, a city in the Ukraine, during
the summer of 1942, you would have seen a very strange-
looking military unit on the march, heading for a waiting
passenger train.
The unit consisted of women, all of them blond and
blue-eyed, between the ages of 17 and 24, tall and
slender, their sensational figures encased in striking
sky-blue uniforms. Each woman wore an Italian-style
garrison cap, an A-line skirt with the hem below the knee,
and a form-fitting jacket with the insignia of the SS.
You might have thought the SS had recruited a platoon
of high-class call girls. But the truth was far stranger
than that. You would have been looking at Reichsfuhrer-SS
Heinrich Himmler's latest brainstorm--the Antarctische
Siedlungensfrauen (ASF).
The story actually begins in 1938, when the German
seaplane carrier Schwabenland sailed across the South
Atlantic, bound for Queen Maud's Land in Antarctica.
According to Russian ufologist Konstantin Ivanenko, "The
Schwabenland sailed to Antarctica, commanded by Albert
Richter, a veteran of cold-weather operations. The
Richter expedition's scientists used their large Dornier
seaplanes to explore the polar wastes, emulating Admiral
Richard E. Byrd's efforts a decade earlier. The German
scientists discovered ice-free lakes (heated by
underground volcanic features--J.T.) and were able to land
on them. It is widely believed that the Schwabenland's
expedition was aimed at scouting out a secret base of
operations."
A German base was established in the Muhlig-Hofmann
Mountains, just inland from the Princess Astrid Coast.
The area was renamed Neuschwabenland (German for New
Swabia) and "the base was known only as Station
211."
This shuffle was accomplished by a little-known
office of the SS called the Rasse und Siedlungshauptamt
(German for Race and Settlement Bureau--J.T.) or RuSHA.
In the Ukraine alone, RuSHA drafted 500,000 women for
forced labor in the munitions factories of Nazi Germany.
It was RuSHA which selected women for Himmler's unit
of Antarctische Siedlungensfrauen (German for Antarctic
Settlement Women) About half of the "recruits" were
Volksdeutsch--ethnic Germans whose ancestors had settled
in the Ukraine in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth
Centuries. The others were native Ukrainians whom RuSHA
had "upgraded" to full Aryans. This process was called
Eindeutschung (Translated: Germanization).
According to Ivanenko, "There is increased popularity
for the idea of a 'German-Slavonic Antarctic Reich.' It
is said that 10,000 of the 'racially most pure'
Ukrainians, out of half a million deported in 1942 by
Martin Bormann, were transported to the German Antarctic
bases during World War II, in the proportion of four
Ukrainian women to one German man."
If true, this would mean that Himmler transferred
2,500 Waffen-SS soldiers, who had proven themselves in
combat on the Russian front, to Station 211--now
Neuschwabenland--in Antarctica. This may be the source of
the myth of the "Last SS Battalion."
An ASF training camp was set up in Estonia, on a
peninsula near Ristna on Hiiumaa Island in the Baltic Sea.
It was a combination finishing school and boot camp, where
the ladies took lessons in charm and housekeeping along
with their courses in polar survival. Himmler kept the
camp's existence a closely-guarded secret. For "unhappy
campers," the only escape consisted of a one-way train
ticket to Auschwitz.
There is one known instance of an ASF
"deserter." In 1943, Auschwitz guard Irma Griese, 22, the
off-and-on girl friend of Dr. Joseph Mengele, took to
wearing a sky-blue ASF uniform, which she had scavenged
from a pile of inmate clothing. Griese was hanged in 1946
for war crimes. The uniform's original owner must have
had serious second thoughts about a permanent move to
Antarctica.)
The failure of Grossadmiral Karl Doenitz's U-boat
offensive by May 1943 freed up dozens of "milk cow" U-
boats. These were large submarines, almost as big as
tramp steamers, which Doenitz had used to supply his U-
boat "wolf packs" in remote seas of the world. Himmler
now put them to work carting supplies and personnel to
Antarctica.
Himmler's rationale for sending thousands of settlers
to Antarctica can only be understood within the context of
his mystic beliefs. As a result of his youthful reading
of New Age books, his association with the occultist Dr.
Friedrich Wichtl, and his membership in the Artamen,
Himmler became a believer in the Hindu concept of world-
ages or yugas. He believed that the current age, or Kali
Yuga, would end in a global cataclysm, thereby giving
birth to a new world-age called the Satya Yuga.
By sending a colony to Antarctica, Himmler was
ensuring that a remnant of the "pure Aryan race" would
survive the coming cataclysm with its society and culture
intact. They would then take possession of Antarctica
when the cataclysm melted the south polar ice cap.
According to believers, the Neuschwabenland colony
survived the end of World War II and Operation High Jump,
a battle with Admiral Byrd's Antarctic task force in the
summer of 1947.
Ivanenko writes, "The total population of Nazis in
Antarctica now exceeds two million and that many of them
have undergone plastic surgery in order to move about with
greater ease through South America and conduct all manner
of business transactions."
In 1969, author Michael X. Branton wrote a book
"alleging that the Nazis had managed to build rudimentary
flying saucers and transfer them to the Antarctic in
1944."
Ivanenko called the Antarctic Reich "one of the most
militarily powerful states in the world because it can
destroy the USA several times over with its submarine-
based nuclear missiles, remaining itself invulnerable to
U.S. nuclear strikes because of the two-mile-thick ice
shield" overhead.
The city of Neuberlin, the colony's capital, sprawls
through "narrow subglacial tunnels" under the mountain
range, heated by volcanic vents and adjoining the
prehistoric ruins of Kadath, which may have been built by
settlers from the lost continent of Atlantis well over
100,000 years ago.
Most amazing of the stories about Neuberlin is the
claim that, like Shambhala, the city has an Alien Quarter,
where Pleiadians, Zeta Reticulans, Reptoids, Men In Black,
Aldebarani and other visitors from the stars dwell.
Ivanenko reported that talk about the Antarctic Reich
is "becoming more and more popular" in Russia, Poland, the
Ukraine, Belarus and other countries in eastern Europe.
He writes, "In the May 10, 2003 issue of the (newspaper)
Frankfurter Allgemeine, Polish journalist A. Stagjuk
criticized Poland's decision to send troops to Iraq" to
assist with the Allied occupation. "At the end, he said,
'The next Polish government will sign a treaty with
Antarctica and declare war on the USA.'"
Ivanenko added that Stagjuk's words were broadcast on
the shortwave radio station Deutsche Welle the same week.
"Some analysts compared this sentence to famous code
phrases which started wars in the Twentieth Century, such
as ' Over all of Spain, the sky is cloudless' in 1936, and
'Climb Mount Niitaka' in 1941."
(Editor's Note: "Climb Mount Niitaka" was the signal
Admiral Yamamoto sent to Kido Butai, the Imperial Japanese
Navy's fleet, to begin the attack on Pearl Harbor.)
It is strange to think of a large population living
under the ice of Antarctica, totally divorced from the
"mainstream" world. Then again, there are Jivaro
indigenous people living on Lago de Yanayacu (lake), less
than 50 kilometers (30 miles) east of Iquitos, Peru, who
have never heard of Courtney Love.
So, is there a city under the ice inhabited by the
grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the original SS
settlers? Or is it just an urban legend stemming from the
chaotic conditions that prevailed in Europe during World
War II?
Some day we may know for certain. (See the books
Himmler by Peter Padfield, Henry Holt & Co., New York,
N.Y., 1990, pages 37, 68, 85 and 90; Hitler's Flying
Saucers by Henry Stevens, Adventures Unlimited Press,
Kempton, Illinois, 2003; Hitler's Heirs by Paul Meskil,
Pyramid Books, New York, N.Y., 1961, page 37; and Fate
magazine for June 2002, "Vostok: Lake of the Shadows" by
Scott Corrales. Many thanks to Konstantin Ivanenko for
allowing UFO Roundup to quote from his online article of
November 18, 2003.)
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Now me.

Greetings future Illumiati of the World.
At least a topic about Mr. Lyne so some might have read the book.
(Beatles-A Day In a Life)

The forums are full of wild ideas and assorted bashers, so when resistence
is met I give further ideas. If anyone knows Lyne, pass on the result of
electrical physics presented later although incomplete.

The reason for electrical suspension Tesla did give a full treatment
and may require a work function factor based on high frequency and
high voltage effects.

But for every question I get, it gives me a reason to add more, sample
question:
"...Further more -sparks are merely the coversion of energy into light,
light also has no electron repelling capability it can only be absorbed,
redirected and further converted. Complete nonsense!.."

ans:
Its more than light, its a current pulse that you would see as tv interference
when lightning strikes. Big lightning, big pulse but is it going to induce force
in a high voltage high frequency coil. Its a Ben Franklin opposite, lightning
surrounds the coil instead of going to ground.

Spark gap is an air Capacitor driven to dielectric breakdown at say 50,000vDC
pulse. Have no idea if correct, saw that number on a message board.
If I could understand the coil builders web site better I'd have inductance.

Using the verified equation F = i x B:
i, current radiated = Capacitance x voltage pulse/ pulse duration
= 1 microfarad x 50,000 / microsecond
B, or ac coil current = 15vac/ coil inductance

Force is now 750,000,000/ coil (L) inductance newtons (.225 pounds/newton)
160,000,000 pounds (US short ton/2000 pounds)/ L of coil
80,000 tons/ L

1 newton = 0.224808943 pounds force (ans from google)

Unless that coil dashes all hope, we got a Haunebu lifting off.
And good hope of fast sideways motion.

Perhaps more involved such that pulse frequency is quarter wavelength
of the B field, its all speculation and just something to dabble with.

Just to sum up the large rectangular ships appear to have 4 coils.


I call it quad coil Tesla electron stream perpendicular to flight propultion system. Right Hand Rule in effect.

If its all true, I told you so, if not its all fiction.

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Now me.

Greetings future Illumiati of the World.
At least a topic about Mr. Lyne so some might have read the book.
(Beatles-A Day In a Life)

The forums are full of wild ideas and assorted bashers, so when resistence
is met I give further ideas. If anyone knows Lyne, pass on the result of
electrical physics presented later although incomplete.

The reason for electrical suspension Tesla did give a full treatment
and may require a work function factor based on high frequency and
high voltage effects.

But for every question I get, it gives me a reason to add more, sample
question:
"...Further more -sparks are merely the coversion of energy into light,
light also has no electron repelling capability it can only be absorbed,
redirected and further converted. Complete nonsense!.."

ans:
Its more than light, its a current pulse that you would see as tv interference
when lightning strikes. Big lightning, big pulse but is it going to induce force
in a high voltage high frequency coil. Its a Ben Franklin opposite, lightning
surrounds the coil instead of going to ground.

Spark gap is an air Capacitor driven to dielectric breakdown at say 50,000vDC
pulse. Have no idea if correct, saw that number on a message board.
If I could understand the coil builders web site better I'd have inductance.

Using the verified equation F = i x B:
i, current radiated = Capacitance x voltage pulse/ pulse duration
= 1 microfarad x 50,000 / microsecond
B, or ac coil current = 15vac/ coil inductance

Force is now 750,000,000/ coil (L) inductance newtons (.225 pounds/newton)
160,000,000 pounds (US short ton/2000 pounds)/ L of coil
80,000 tons/ L

1 newton = 0.224808943 pounds force (ans from google)

Unless that coil dashes all hope, we got a Haunebu lifting off.
And good hope of fast sideways motion.

Perhaps more involved such that pulse frequency is quarter wavelength
of the B field, its all speculation and just something to dabble with.

Just to sum up the large rectangular ships appear to have 4 coils.


I call it quad coil Tesla electron stream perpendicular to flight propultion system. Right Hand Rule in effect.

If its all true, I told you so, if not its all fiction.
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To late to edit, I'll check more controls.

Still reading the thread.
 
Old June 21st, 2006 #54
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I picked up an interesting book in a secondhand bookshp recently entitled -
Last Talons Of The Eagle
Seceret Nazi technology which could have changed the course of WW11
By Gary Hyland & Anton Gill
Published by Headline in 1998

The book documents aircraft actally built by the Third Reich including jet fighters and helicopters.
One photograph is especially interesting, describes as the Gotha Go229 the aircraft bears a striking similarity to the Stealth bomber! I believe it is the same aircraft pictured in post 49.
There are several fascinating artist impressions of aircraft which were on the drawing board.
 
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