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Old October 30th, 2014 #1
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Let’s hope that the new NA leader, Will Williams, follows the “William Pierce model” of the NA as closely as possible.

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Old October 30th, 2014 #2
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According to sources, Dr. William Pierce has been dead for over a dozen years. During that time, shouldn't Will Williams have demonstrated his leadership abilities by founding his own pro-white organization? That's twelve wasted years. As I see it, the National Alliance was never "a place", but an idea - and neither Will Williams or anyone else ever needed Pierce's land to wage the struggle. So, just based on twelve solid years of doing absolutely nothing to advance the Cause, I would say even Harold Covington would have been a better choice to run the National Alliance.

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Old October 30th, 2014 #3
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So, just based on twelve solid years of doing absolutely nothing to advance the Cause, I would say even Harold Covington would have been a better choice to run the National Alliance.
Oh, that's really funny. Will Williams has done nothing for WN for "12 solid years"? How the fuck would you know that, troll? Are you Covington? I'd bet $5 that you are.


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Old October 30th, 2014 #4
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What will the new NA be like? I´m afraid it will be, troubled, if he associates with people like Strom.

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In December 2013 Kevin Strom announced the re-formation of the National Alliance as a new corporation under Williams' leadership.[2] They jointly created White Biocentrism as a forum for the new organization. On October 24, 2014 Erich Gliebe, the embattled leader of the original organization, announced his resignation, and declared Williams his successor.[1]
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Old October 30th, 2014 #5
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Only Covington wants 's to talk about Covington. Typical Weird Harold bullshit!
 
Old October 30th, 2014 #6
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At least give Will a chance.

Hopefully he'll drop Kevin like a bad habit. Personally, Alex would be even better. Plus, VNN's Editor-in-chief has a better way with words.

Why not try again? Or maybe Dr. Pierce just wanted the NA to go with him. "Eric" was hardly any type of manager anyways.
 
Old October 30th, 2014 #7
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What will the new NA be like? I´m afraid it will be, troubled, if he associates with people like Strom.
Strom is toxic,it is difficult enough to interest Aryans in the necessity of a racial imperative as it is without having a paedophile fronting "The world's foremost racialist organisation" - Williams has some dodgy history as well
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Old October 31st, 2014 #8
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As I see it, the National Alliance was never "a place", but an idea
Actually it was neither. In the end ultimately the NA was about the man. That is to say, William Pierce. Which adds to my theory that people don't follow organizations. They follow men. Worthy men. Righteous men. That's why the NA went to shit after he died and also why people like Hitler ultimately failed in WW2. He was let down by lessor men. Sad but true.
 
Old October 31st, 2014 #9
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my theory that people don't follow organizations. They follow men. Worthy men. Righteous men. That's why the NA went to shit after he died and also why people like Hitler ultimately failed in WW2. He was let down by lessor men. Sad but true.
Then why do people call themselves "Catholics", "Republicans", "Americans", or "the NRA"? The problem with national Socialism was that Hitler made it about Hitler, and, in the end, no amount of sacrifice, for the sake of one man, however great, was worth it. "Fuhrerprinzip" only works long-term if the Fuhrer is viewed as part of something greater.

Organizations work. The engender loyalty because, like a family, they are viewed as having longevity. They are viewed as immortal. They can be viewed as something sacred. Organizations are things of which we can literally be a part, a "member". If they continue, we continue. The NA had de facto, a fuhrer, and it became about him, rather than his message, and yes, he was followed by a lesser man, who only had to stay on point to have succeeded in making the organization grow. He, too, wanted to be Fuhrer, but was a non-entity.
The NA was limited because it is a political organization. It is in competition with all the other political organizations out there, including the governments. I think that until we have a new religion based on our ideals, we won't get the fanaticism necessary to win.
 
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Then why do people call themselves "Catholics", "Republicans", "Americans", or "the NRA"? The problem with national Socialism was that Hitler made it about Hitler, and, in the end, no amount of sacrifice, for the sake of one man, however great, was worth it. "Fuhrerprinzip" only works long-term if the Fuhrer is viewed as part of something greater.

Organizations work. The engender loyalty because, like a family, they are viewed as having longevity. They are viewed as immortal. They can be viewed as something sacred. Organizations are things of which we can literally be a part, a "member". If they continue, we continue. The NA had de facto, a fuhrer, and it became about him, rather than his message, and yes, he was followed by a lesser man, who only had to stay on point to have succeeded in making the organization grow. He, too, wanted to be Fuhrer, but was a non-entity.
The NA was limited because it is a political organization. It is in competition with all the other political organizations out there, including the governments. I think that until we have a new religion based on our ideals, we won't get the fanaticism necessary to win.

You make some good points. But what about a king? I'm not talking about modern royals I'm talking about the kings of old that would actually get on the battlefield with their men and lead by example and kick some ass. I think you need a combination of both. You need an organization and an ideology (which we already have). All we need now is charismatic individual to lead the way. Just my opinion.

 
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Well I don't know anything about the NA and the only thing I can say is I hope they become stronger and better after the troubles they have been through.
 
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You make some good points. But what about a king? I'm not talking about modern royals I'm talking about the kings of old that would actually get on the battlefield with their men and lead by example and kick some ass. I think you need a combination of both. You need an organization and an ideology (which we already have). All we need now is charismatic individual to lead the way. Just my opinion.
Both you and Sorley make very good points, if out race is to survive we are in dire need of both good organization and leadership.

But so far it seems to me that our race is too fictionalized and leaderless to mount an effect defense/offense against the jews and their lackeys which the jewish vermin are more then taking full advantage of.
 
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What will the new NA be like? I´m afraid it will be, troubled, if he associates with people like Strom.
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Old February 6th, 2016 #15
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Default To Find out to that original question of.....

what will the New NA actually be like?

See:
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1973355&postcount=1

And:
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1987955&postcount=35

And that is how it has been like since WWW took over the NA from 2015
thru 2016.
 
Old February 6th, 2016 #16
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Dr Pierce's dissident voices broadcasts introduced me to white nationalism. He was a powerful presence as a speaker, yet there was a down to earth folksy quality about him. Superior intelligence tempered with common sense, a rare combination. Never met the man, but I can imagine he would be a hard act to follow. Sadly, like Hitler, he did not delegate authority to the right people who would eventually take over the alliance. I always thought it was strange that he would pick a former boxer/recruiter to take his place. I guess there aren't many people like Pierce who can lead, only followers.
 
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In the end ultimately the NA was about the man. That is to say, William Pierce. Which adds to my theory that people don't follow organizations. They follow men. … That's why the NA went to shit after he died...
I agree 100%. The NA was never more than Dr. P. He attracted big resources, did large things, and hired some good people (but not enough good people).

If you associate one man’s name with an organization, it is unlikely to long survive his passing.

When Dr. P. died, left:
1. Several corporations with perhaps $350,000 in inventory.
2. A revenue stream from book royalties.
3. 300+ acres stocked with valuable mature hardwoods.
4. Several large buildings, several livable dwellings, four deep water wells.
5. About $600,000 in cash and cashable securities.
6. A powerful reputation (goodwill).

What’s left is the 300 acres of land, but stripped of the hardwoods; the last of them are being cut now. The water wells don’t work. Most of the buildings and dwellings have no electricity and are decaying.

The rest is gone, mostly due to incompetence and neglect.
 
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