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Old January 11th, 2014 #101
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Furthermore, according to the Charlottesville Times editorial linked to in my first posting, Strom's case was, in fact, a case that legally should have been tried in state court. But the feds jumped in and took it over.
I agree with you.Strom should never have been taken to court.
It is a travesty of justice that he went to prison.

If it was my child that he sent a love poem.I would have paid him a quiet visit and caved his head in with a hammer.
When he was caught in the bushes of the little girls school I would have lost it and just killed him in public.
Sex case pure and simple.
The only cure is death.

The picture in post 72 confirms the fact that he is a covert sex case.
No shame and he thought he could openly post a picture of a child that represents forbidden fruit and original sin.
Grandpa and April Gaede will hopefully teach him some manners one day.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #102
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Why cant i rep people i do nothing wrong
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #103
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Where there is smoke there is fire.
One doesn't get into a dead end on pedophilia accusation that easy.
Why would he send a letter to a little girl like the one posted here?

Maybe his wife planted the material in his computer, but that's not enough to make him look ok.
Something like that. All the other WN leaders and dissenting voices could've been framed that way, but they weren't. They can defend their innocence beyond any doubt in such a matter. They've been and still are hated by many people, not to mention the ones who would harm them out of sheer opportunism. Infiltration by the system wouldn't be hard to achieve, and neither would framing.

Hitler is an example: the Jews throw a lot of crap at him still hoping that it would stick, but it doesn't. The facts are so that it doesn't. But in Strom's case, it's a different matter.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #104
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You weren't only talking about your narrow poll, but in uk forum discussions, every man to a tee etc..
Well, I'm reminded of the thread where people stated that "omg he was framed" but neatly swerved away from explaining how one of his home made child porm photos featured himself captured in the mirror, camera in hand.

I said: (paraphrased) ]Nobody in their right minds would admit to child porn.


to which you replied:
(paraphrased) would you really go to prison for life rather than admit underage porn?


People replied in the affirmative and you then ran with some wild scenario involving irrelevant variables about being fitted up for violent rapes and whatnot by superior and mysterious coppers - people again reiterated that they would die fighting to clear their name. I don't recall one person stating that they would admit to it.



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And I'm not the only one who disagrees.
Then you'll have no problem naming the others, will you? So far you have Martin Barlow, and maybe Rounder.
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I don't think I see eunuchs as you do.
The please do explain how you see eunuchs.


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State how you would necessarily react to a court statement.
I wasn't stating how I'd react to a court statement but how I'd react to a court case if I were a juror in a "he said, she said" scenario with NO other evidence or defence offered than that. I have sat on a case like that. The jurors erred on the side of caution and found him not guilty. So I know how I'd react to the evidence that Rounder is asking us to consider.



If Strom had gone to a trial by jury, all this other stuff about his written and taped confessions would have come out, wouldn't it? Then the jury would have had no choice but to find him guilty. IF none of that existed and ALL there was was a "he said, she said" from a divorcing and warring Kevin and Elisha about who put the picture there, then I'd doubt his guilt.


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Bev. Do yourself a favour and stop responding to "Rounder". He has seriously lost the plot. It wasn't that long ago he was on here telling everybody being a muslim was great, now he is defending a self-confessed, convicted sex case. IMO the only people defending that slimy pervert Strom are people who probably agree with his sick perversions.
I know. I fall for it every time. I just can't stand to see paedos put on pedestals and it sickens me to see people defending them.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #105
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I think Hitler wonld have done his time and would not shamed himself and said he was not guilty to a sex charge.I know people in Ireland that were set up the cops who said not guity when innocent and done their time and people want the future of W N to be decided by a pervert.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #106
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I said: (paraphrased) ]Nobody in their right minds would admit to child porn.


to which you replied:
(paraphrased) would you really go to prison for life rather than admit underage porn?


People replied in the affirmative and you then ran with some wild scenario involving irrelevant variables about being fitted up for violent rapes and whatnot by superior and mysterious coppers - people again reiterated that they would die fighting to clear their name. I don't recall one person stating that they would admit to it.

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The please do explain how you see eunuchs.




I wasn't stating how I'd react to a court statement but how I'd react to a court case if I were a juror in a "he said, she said" scenario with NO other evidence or defence offered than that. I have sat on a case like that. The jurors erred on the side of caution and found him not guilty. So I know how I'd react to the evidence that Rounder is asking us to consider.



If Strom had gone to a trial by jury, all this other stuff about his written and taped confessions would have come out, wouldn't it? Then the jury would have had no choice but to find him guilty. IF none of that existed and ALL there was was a "he said, she said" from a divorcing and warring Kevin and Elisha about who put the picture there, then I'd doubt his guilt.
You miss out the one about someone actually wanting to get into a closed sex offender unit.

Eunuchs? Women have mastectomies.

I've never been on a jury.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #107
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Well, it seems Williams and Strom will get little tangible support from the posters on this thread. OTOH, I doubt any WN leaders of any active, membership group would. If anything, the new NA will be helped by their idiotic logic and dumb criticisms. Honest, clear thinking WNs will be spurred to join

"Active" and "membership" are fighting words to most VNNers, especially to the Pussy Bund of anonymous hobbyists.

This thread provides a clear understanding of the futility of trying to recruit men and women sought after by Dr William Pierce, from so-called "WN" internet forums. For example, Stormfront couldn't put 100 pairs of boots in the streets if Black's life depended on it. Even after almost 20 years of pleadings, educating, and preachings while the white race dies before their eyes.

I'm betting Will and Kevin will be successful. Will has erected a huge HQ building in the mountains near where he lives. He is now committed with both feet set firmly inside the battle arena. He won't be beaten or foiled easily, that is for damn sure.

All followers and admirers of Dr William Pierce's National Alliance, are well advised to check out www.nationalvanguard.org, the site of Will Williams' National Alliance. Then join and support it. Get your ass off your computer stools and into this active, membership organization. It might well be the last chance in your lifetime.

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Old January 11th, 2014 #108
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You miss out the one about someone actually wanting to get into a closed sex offender unit.
I don't recall that one, For what purpose?


The only way I could envision someone wanting to get into a closed sex offender unit would be perhaps a father with the desire to tell someone he had been a nasty little man and he had better not think about doing it again when he got out. This is of course a completely different scenario and so I doubt you meant that.


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I've never been on a jury.
Then it's hard to know how you'd react in that situation. Look, I don't even know what we're arguing about. You appear to think Strom is guilty. I think he is guilty. All I'm saying is that in a he said, she said, I would give the benefit of the doubt. But this case ISN'T a he said, she said. It's a he said, she said, he said on tape, he signed, other people said......
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Old January 11th, 2014 #109
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-well, Mel Gibson is old enough to be my dad. The only other candidate I can think of for such a role is also a lot older than me.
How do you work out that I am a lot older than you.

Also unless you are a lesbian.
 
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(and Mel Gibson is 58 not in his 60's. So there. Sorry for the late clarification but it's only just been pointed out to me.)
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How do you work out that I am a lot older than you.

Also unless you are a lesbian.
Jason Statham gets pissed off - The ultimate Statham Brawl - YouTube
Sorry, Mel.

Sorry, Jason Statham just doesn't really work for me. Not saying he's unattractive, but he's just not smiley. Mel has a nice smile.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #112
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Look Storm is a pervert back him up and your as good as one yourself.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #113
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I don't think anyone can truly predict what they would do unless actually facing the prospect of 10 years jail. That's why I would leave the plea option open. 10 years is a long time and people convicted of such offences are the targets of other inmates.

If possession is the crime, whether unintentional or not, a guilty plea is the only option, since the offending material was apparently found on this man's computer.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #114
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I don't think anyone can truly predict what they would do unless actually facing the prospect of 10 years jail. That's why I would leave the plea option open. 10 years is a long time and people convicted of such offences are the targets of other inmates.

If possession is the crime, whether unintentional or not, a guilty plea is the only option, since the offending material was apparently found on this man's computer.
There is other evidence involved. A love letter to one of the kids. Caught hiding in bushes at a school. Case closed. We are dealing with a pedo here.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #115
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There is other evidence involved. A love letter to one of the kids. Caught hiding in bushes at a school. Case closed. We are dealing with a pedo here.
5 years ago, when this all came out, I was fence sitting. Wait and see what comes of it, it might be a set up and all that. But as soon as I heard him confess to it all, case closed.

And if I remember correctly, this little girl he stalked was an eskimo, and I really don't know what to make of that. It's creepy as fuck either way, but pedophilia aside, that part was just odd.
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #116
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And if I remember correctly, this little girl he stalked was an eskimo,
What happened? Did she give him the cold shoulder?

Aww c'mon, there's just not much to work with here, folks!
 
Old January 11th, 2014 #117
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"Glenn, If you can get this put up, my comments need to be distinguished from Bev's and Robert's. Maybe the way I've formatted it will carry over when you cut & paste. Thanks,
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This a disgusting thread. The National alliance is not going to have anything to do with VNN. I see that April Gaede says she would blow Kevin's head off and Linder, who makes the rules, says no one who supports Kevin Strom will be allowed on his forum. "Strom should kill himself." So be it. This from the fellow who was in cahoots with Bill White and Elisha Strom, attacking Kevin. She was even a VNN moderator for a while, if I recall.
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Bev says @ #35: [Will the Feds] restrict themselves to looking at [Kevin's] .jpgs? Or will they go for membership lists as well? That's another reason why this rehabilitation attempt is such a bad idea.

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I've seen several people putting out this nonsense. I'm NA Director and proprietor of all correspondence and membership lists. Kevin is Media Director and has no such access to that information.
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Robert Randsdell @ 93 says: Mr. Strom, being the intellectual he is, needs to recognize the futility of what he is trying to do here. I may be wrong, the man may have more than money on his mind.

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What Kevin has on his mind right now, among other things, is producing the best weekly ADV broadcast that he can. He's doing a series on Cosmotheism presently that's extraordinary. I doubt many who've posted in this thread can even understand what he's talking about, but Dr. Pierce would, and he'd be proud that Kevin and I have teamed up to get his Alliance and his religion back on track.

Robert, you told me that it was all right with you that Gliebe took the five pages out of the NA Handbook dealing with Christianity as an ideology opposed to that of our Alliance. Christian-friendly "big tent" Alliance of Gliebe was supported and defended by Jim Ring for ten years. He went along with Gliebe's compromising on the Alliance ideology for the sake of expediency. I didn't. Anyone saying Dr. Pierce would have approved of that fundamental change in the Alliance's Cosmotheist philosophy did not understand Dr. Pierce.

Please don't project Gliebe's money-grubbing onto Kevin.
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Robert Randsdell: Mr. Strom himself [is] not willing to go on to the forums and plead his case, instead we have Mr. Miller and Mr. Williams doing that work for him. Let him stand up for his own transgressions if he denies them...I find something amiss with Mr. Williams and Mr. Miller getting all the blowback while he sits and probably just reads it all.

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Blowback? I can handle it. I'm proud of Rounder for standing up for Kevin on VNN. He trusts my word to him that Kevin is a good man and innocent of what the "movement" peanut galleries at VNN and other forums say about him. I'm banned from VNN, but Rounder asked me to look at this thread and reply if I felt like it. I asked him to remove the thread last week announcing our Alliance when it turned out like this one to be an absolute clusterfuck. I was naive enough to think it might be an "activism" thread that we could post ADV links to each week, protected from the trolls. Wrong.

Rounder has read both the Charlottesville Times piece: http://www.charlottesvilletimes.com/...1/#comment-595 and Kevin's address to the court: http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...-to-the-court/ It doesn't look to me that the VNN chorus has considered anything in either of those articles, much less have they listened to Kevin's first three ADVs: http://nationalvanguard.org/ Others have and ADV is slowly gaining audience outside of the "movement," and from pre-Gliebe Alliance members, which is what I was hoping for.

Robert. Kevin has been posting some on the Phora during the past week, and the moderators there are booting some of the anonymous naysayers who would like to drive him away. I've posted there, too, and on Stormfront in several related threads. SPLC used quotes from me at those forums here: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/0...us-hate-group/ I also posted in a couple of other places about the relaunch of National Alliance, including our own WhiteBiocentrism.com forum where I'll bounce anyone who makes a disruptive, negative post there, like I'm seeing here. My fora posting days will come to an end soon but it has been an effective way to announce our new Alliance and ADV broadcasts for the time being.
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Old January 11th, 2014 #118
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Old January 11th, 2014 #119
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Your a piece of shit.
 
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I'm not sure I even agree with the concept of plea bargaining. Hundreds of murderers avoid the death penalty every year simply by admitting their guilt. A certain crime should attract a certain penalty, period!
 
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