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Old February 20th, 2013 #41
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But in science, the trophy goes to he who gets there first and with the most general and workable innovation.
Or the guys most able to publicize themselves, and appear interesting to newspapers and magazines. Hardly anyone would know who Steven Hawking is if he wasn't crippled.

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Yes, probably so if he had only presented the special theory. It is because of his later general theory, though, and its completely revolutionary concept of unification with gravity and the whole of space and science why he has the status he holds. Minkowski elaborated on it further and complemented it. That is why his is a supporting role; he never developed the concept, only the mathematics.

It is the general theory of relativity that is being ignored by the detractors here, notice.
Hmm, I see, Einstein later worked gravity into it. So did Einstein come up with spacetime, or was that Mink? If Mink, did Einstein just have gravity bending space then?

If the theory set began with Lorentz, and was completed by Minkowski, then to coalesce all three conceptions around Einstein is optional.
 
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Hmm, I see, Einstein later worked gravity into it. So did Einstein come up with spacetime, or was that Mink? If Mink, did Einstein just have gravity bending space then?

If the theory set began with Lorentz, and was completed by Minkowski, then to coalesce all three conceptions around Einstein is optional.
Minkowski developed the four-dimensional mathematics of spacetime. Einstein does not have gravity bending space; he has mass deforming it. He also predicted that both mass and energy--in other words, everything--would follow the contours of the deformed--bent--space. Light, for example, also curves around a mass, such as a star. This is observed and is so. Einstein asserted this was a consequence of the mass-energy equivalence, a crucial and revolutionary concept not considered by the Italian De Pretto or anyone else being cited in relation to the equation. This is a part of the "meat" of his theory and what is relevant and is being ignored by the detractors here while they look for people who might have derived the equation earlier. And Lorentz of course had no contribution to any of these aspects of the two theories. His contribution was to insert a proportionality constant to the transforms to make them work, and his transforms were restricted to electrodynamics.
 
Old February 20th, 2013 #43
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Minkowski developed the four-dimensional mathematics of spacetime. Einstein does not have gravity bending space; he has mass deforming it. He also predicted that both mass and energy--in other words, everything--would follow the contours of the deformed--bent--space. Light, for example, also curves around a mass, such as a star. This is observed and is so. Einstein asserted this was a consequence of the mass-energy equivalence, a crucial and revolutionary concept not considered by the Italian De Pretto or anyone else being cited in relation to the equation. This is a part of the "meat" of his theory and what is relevant and is being ignored by the detractors here while they look for people who might have derived the equation earlier. And Lorentz of course had no contribution to any of these aspects of the two theories. His contribution was to insert a proportionality constant to the transforms to make them work, and his transforms were restricted to electrodynamics.
I see. Well, it's hard to justify insulting Einstein for his work when Lorentz and Minkowski didn't do so. It still does seem unfair that the later two are pretty much unknown outside of the field, but I suppose that's how pop culture works.
 
Old February 20th, 2013 #44
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I see. Well, it's hard to justify insulting Einstein for his work when Lorentz and Minkowski didn't do so. It still does seem unfair that the later two are pretty much unknown outside of the field, but I suppose that's how pop culture works.

Yep, that's how the ball bounces. Just the hell of it, I guess. My purpose of this thread was actually two-pronged. The first is just what I stated in the first paragraph of the first post. My second was to run a sort of experiment myself. I wanted to see if anyone would counter with an alternative theory, and/or bring up and mention names of obscure or practically unknown non-jewish scientists.

It never happened. Ironically, Billy Bob himself came closest, though he doesn't know it. I even commented favorably on that particular post. WN are just like the rest of the public, generally. That is, they are just parrots and lemmings. You have to guide and direct them. They know to respond to just what they have heard of, what someone has told them. So I am going to introduce them to some great scientist of which I doubt many or any of them has ever heard of. I will create certain threads on that, starting in a few days or a week. My first choice will be a Swedish scientist who I think was greater than Einstein, more revolutionary, more erudite, whose theory will eventually have a greater impact on the world. He is little known, though he won a Nobel Prize in the 1970s and only died a few years ago. I've actually already mentioned his name on this very thread.

WN's seem to only know about Shockley and Tesla. It is time to broaden their scope and give them another white man to advocate and hold up. The man I have in mind blows Shockley off the stage and is probably at least Tesla's equal.

Following that, and in connection with it, I shall bring up Don Scott and his work. Another outstanding scientist and engineer who is still living and can demolish "Establishment" scientists in debate and exchange concerning another Holy Grail of modern science.
 
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Discovery is a drawn out process that takes many people's input over time and rigorous work in the lab to prove out or to solidify the theorem.

So how can any one person be credited with such ideas, when they are nothing more than a culmination of the work of many? Easy if you have kike blood, since they control the media.

Did kikes lie about this jew? Hell yes! Did he earn anything on his own? Hell no!

Randy, you have to make up your mind which side you're on and make a fucking stand. Right now, you appear to be on the wrong team.

You're a smart guy, obviously, but you can't seem to see the forest for all the trees. We are in the greatest struggle for survival the world has ever seen, and you want to glorify our enemies. Fuck them with a warhead!
 
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I don't accept science as great when it is based on theories.

So it is Einstein's Theory of Relativity, and Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

Great science is Newton's Law of Motion, and Boyle's Law of Gases; they are proved by real measurement.
 
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If condemnation of the Jewish race presupposes that we condemn every individual Jew for something, that would be an impossible standard. We have to be able to look at the race as whole, including its best and the worst elements, and levy judgment on all of it.
 
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If condemnation of the Jewish race presupposes that we condemn every individual Jew for something, that would be an impossible standard. We have to be able to look at the race as whole, including its best and the worst elements, and levy judgment on all of it.
Fuck that they are all conniving bastards. Every last one of them.
 
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Fuck that they are all conniving bastards. Every last one of them.
No. Einstein's contributions to Physics are valuable, and Zionist Jews have valuable contributions towards improving the quality of western Civilization, Right wing Jews like Michael Savage are decent people.
We just need all the Jews to move to Israel, because their parasitism on white populations, is just a natural biological phenomenon that has occurred because whites are too nice, not ethnocentric enough, too individualistic and less intelligent than Jews on average.This has resulted in Jews being persecuted everywhere they go, and being deported from over 100 countries in their 5000 year history. Jews are right when they call the non jews " goyim" because the majority of people cannot think independently and willingly become social pawns.
 
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No. Einstein's contributions to Physics are valuable, and Zionist Jews have valuable contributions towards improving the quality of western Civilization, Right wing Jews like Michael Savage are decent people.
We just need all the Jews to move to Israel, because their parasitism on white populations, is just a natural biological phenomenon that has occurred because whites are too nice, not ethnocentric enough, too individualistic and less intelligent than Jews on average.This has resulted in Jews being persecuted everywhere they go, and being deported from over 100 countries in their 5000 year history. Jews are right when they call the non jews " goyim" because the majority of people cannot think independently and willingly become social pawns.
Fuck Einstein and fuck jews. Well why don't you invite one in your home to fuck your sister?
 
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Fuck Einstein and fuck jews.
Einstein is a personal hero of mine, because of his personal achievements, and because he had Asperger's Syndrome like me. Go read a Physics textbook before you want to criticize Einstein. And go listen to Michael Savage, before you want to criticize all Jews, and put them in one basket, and burn them all alive.
 
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Well why don't you invite one in your home to fuck your sister?
I do not have a sister.
 
Old February 20th, 2013 #53
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No. Einstein's contributions to Physics are valuable, and Zionist Jews have valuable contributions towards improving the quality of western Civilization, Right wing Jews like Michael Savage are decent people.
We just need all the Jews to move to Israel, because their parasitism on white populations, is just a natural biological phenomenon that has occurred because whites are too nice, not ethnocentric enough, too individualistic and less intelligent than Jews on average.This has resulted in Jews being persecuted everywhere they go, and being deported from over 100 countries in their 5000 year history. Jews are right when they call the non jews " goyim" because the majority of people cannot think independently and willingly become social pawns.
".......whites....less intelligent than Jews on average....."

Shabbos Goy like you are a major part of the problem, or are you a jew?
 
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".......whites....less intelligent than Jews on average....."

Shabbos Goy like you are a major part of the problem, or are you a jew?
I thought Alex Linder had a policy on VNN forum, that you were not allowed to call people a "Jew" unless they told you they were.
I am not a Jew. I am a Zionist however, since I believe all Jews should live in Israel, freeing Europeans from their parasitical control of the banking system, their distribution of pornography, and their mainstream media.
 
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Fuck that they are all conniving bastards. Every last one of them.
I distrust them as a class, but you can't set out to prove that every Jew on earth is in some way "conniving", that would be hopeless. We have to maintain our right to judge their race as a race.
 
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I distrust them as a class, but you can't set out to prove that every Jew on earth is in some way "conniving", that would be hopeless. We have to maintain our right to judge their race as a race.
So there'a a good nigger and a bad nigger. As much as I respect DeShawn, I wouldn't allow him around my family.
 
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I do not have a sister.
Okay, asshole....Daughter or future daughter.
 
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So there'a a good nigger and a bad nigger. As much as I respect DeShawn, I wouldn't allow him around my family.
Well, imagine setting out to prove that every Black is aggressive. It would be hopeless, and it gives the impression that the Black race as a whole can't be aggressive unless every member of it is. But that's untrue, you have to look at the average.

Further, DeShawn is inherently connected to his race. His children will be Black, his ancestors were Black, and Black strangers are nearer relatives to him than I would be. So we can't compartmentalize people. DeShawn can't be allowed to have political power over our race because his loyalty is to another race. And if he was disloyal to his own race we'd have even less reason to trust him. The same idea applies to "good" Jews.
 
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Well, imagine setting out to prove that every Black is aggressive. It would be hopeless, and it gives the impression that the Black race as a whole can't be aggressive unless every member of it is. But that's untrue, you have to look at the average.

Further, DeShawn is inherently connected to his race. His children will be Black, his ancestors were Black, and Black strangers are nearer relatives to him than I would be. So we can't compartmentalize people. DeShawn can't be allowed to have political power over our race because his loyalty is to another race. And if he was disloyal to his own race we'd have even less reason to trust him. The same idea applies to "good" Jews.
Are you fucking kidding me? A good jew? You're crazier than me.
 
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Are you fucking kidding me? A good jew? You're crazier than me.
I dunno, I don't hang out with them. Some of them seem to do good work, even seriously criticizing their own activities, though they're uncommon.

My point is that a good Jew would still be Jew, intrinsically connected to his own race, and we can't separate the individual from the genepool.
 
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