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Old June 12th, 2010 #1
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What's the common trait shared by the members of the following group of people: Norman Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon, Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, Paul Craig Roberts, Alan Hart, Lord Monckton, except that all are jews. Perhaps some would dispute that Alan Hart and the good Lord are jews (for example, the 'j' word does not appear even once on Lord Monckton's Wiki page), but my intuition tells me otherwise. Compare the heavyset look with eyes popping out they both share with Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's wife:






Many would be tempted to say that these jews are the good jews, without any quotation marks around the word 'good'. Not too long ago, many others would not hesitate to put Noam Chomsky into the same category. But, since 9-11, the good professor exposed himself while answering questions like Who killed John F. Kennedy? and Who did 9-11 ? . Who knows? And who cares? - says zionist Chomsky.

Is there such a thing as a good Jew? What do you think? If there is, what is a good jew and what is it the good jew is trying to accomplish?

For one, I believed for a long time that Israel Shamir was a 'good' jew trying to educate the gullible gentiles about the nature of the jew; that is until I came across a piece by Shamir called "The Poverty of Racialist Thought":

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Poverty.htm

If Shamir can convince us that race doesn't matter, that completely negates all his "education", does it not?
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Paul Craig Roberts is a Jew? Source?
 
Old June 12th, 2010 #3
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There is this very jew-wise guy named John Kaminski. A few years ago I had a short email exchange with him where I challenged his view that there is no such thing as a good jew. Since then my own views has moved steadily in a direction that got me closer to Kaminski's views.

In that email exchange Kaminski has identified Paul Craig Roberts as a jew (or crypto-jew, not sure if my memory serves me right). It's not that I believe everything Kaminski says. For example, Kaminski, or anyone else out there for that matter, could never convince me that Henry Ford, or Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, or Dr William Pierce, or George Rockwell and many others were jews or crypto-jews.

I do not have any "hard" proof that Paul Craig Roberts is what Kaminski says he is, but my intuition goes along very easily with that.
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Asking if there is such a thing as a "Good Jew" is like asking if there is such a thing as a "Good Mafia Member" or a "Good Member of a Criminal Conspiracy". Their allegiance alone makes them evil, so the answer is no.

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Short answer: "NO"

Long winded answer: "F@#k NO!"
 
Old June 12th, 2010 #6
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I don't believe there are any good Jews, but I might make a special exception in the case of Fred Scrooby.
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I would say
Otto_Weininger Otto_Weininger
was an very interesting Jew.

But the question is a flawed question to begin with, before they are good or bad they are Jewish. So "good" or ""bad" is irrelevant.
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I would say otto weininger was an very interesting Jew.

But the question is a flawed question to begin with, before they are good or bad they are Jewish. So "good" or ""bad" is irrelevant.
Good point, Eric, a non-linear answer from a thinking man. Never heard of otto weininger, but I shall look into the matter.

There is another fascinating jew (if he was a jew) - Bobby Fischer. No matter how much I looked at this personality I couldn't find anything jewish about him - the way he looked, the way he spoken, the way he behaved, the way he thought, the way he lived and the way he died - nothing.

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Good point, Eric, a non-linear answer from a thinking man. Never heard of otto weininger, but I shall look into the matter.

There is another fascinating jew (if he was a jew) - Bobby Fischer. No matter how much I looked at this personality I couldn't find anything jewish about him - the way he looked, the way he spoken, the way he behaved, the way he thought, he way he lived and the way he died - nothing.

YouTube- The Strange Life of Bobby Fischer
Fisher was Jewish, on his mother's side, and some say even his fathers side. I can see his Jewishness, in some of his actions. namely his early arrogance, his solutions for non-Jew races, specifically "give America to the red-man" stance.
I have been a chess-player, on and off, for about 15 years. So before i was Jew wise I was always a fan of Fischer, and after I became Jew-wise my view of him did not change much. He proved himself to be intelligent and somewhat decent by speaking out against his fellow tribesmen.
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my intuition tells me otherwise. Compare the heavyset look with eyes popping out they both share with Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's wife.
Your intuition isn't a high enough standard. Roberts is not a jew, and a couple of the others might not be either. The rule here is don't call anyone a jew unless you have proof. It's a bannable offense.

There is no good jew. Jews call anyone who criticizes them a nazi, whether the person in NS or not. You will never catch a jew saying, well, this jew critic is good, but that one is bad. To them, all non-jews are scum fit for Gaza treatment. You don't beat that attitude -- coupled with jews' power, by making distinctions between these two-footed termites. All that does is confuse the very people we need to alert and persuade. They need, above all else, a clear, consistent, unmistakable message: jew = bad. Making non-existent distinctions between jews is a blunder in the same vein as mixing our cause with conservatism, by praising Buchanan and other paleoclowns. All this does -- and this flies right over the head of "our" intellectuals -- is vitiate our cause by CONFUSING people we need to persuade. Our thing must be wholly different - above and separate from conservatism. Whites already have a congenital problem with respect for authority and taking things at face value. Any WN who praises those who are part of the System-problem defeats itself by confirming potential supporters in System-approved quietism. Relax! it tells them - whining about fairness and double standards is enough, no further action called for, just sit back and the pro whingers will handle it. It truly is pathetic and amazing that such simple truths aren't obvious to everybody, but "there it is," as the Seemlanders say.
 
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Fisher was Jewish, on his mother's side, and some say even his fathers side. I can see his Jewishness, in some of his actions. namely his early arrogance, his solutions for non-Jew races, specifically "give America to the red-man" stance.
I have been a chess-player, on and off, for about 15 years. So before i was Jew wise I was always a fan of Fischer, and after I became Jew-wise my view of him did not change much. He proved himself to be intelligent and somewhat decent by speaking out against his fellow tribesmen.
Fischer, who I liked, was very jewish seeming. He went directly after the problem without beating around the bush - jews are evil, they run our government. He didn't apologize, whine, talk about god - he just attacked. That's about as ungoy as it gets.
 
Old June 12th, 2010 #12
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Is there a 'good' serial killer?

No: simple as. If you let jews convince you that only some jews are 'bad' then it just means you do as the Christians churches did for centuries: deal with only part of the jewish population and get infiltrated by the other part who are quite happy to sell their kin down the river to make a quick profit or get a quick ego fix. Jews must be removed root and branch otherwise the plague returns: simple as that.

P.S. Any decent proof Alan Hart is a jew [I presume you mean the British journalist], because that is news to me and I can't see any immediate source for it on a brief google.
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Old June 12th, 2010 #13
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Your intuition isn't a high enough standard. Roberts is not a jew, and a couple of the others might not be either. The rule here is don't call anyone a jew unless you have proof. It's a bannable offense.

There is no good jew. Jews call anyone who criticizes them a nazi, whether the person in NS or not. You will never catch a jew saying, well, this jew critic is good, but that one is bad. To them, all non-jews are scum fit for Gaza treatment. You don't beat that attitude -- coupled with jews' power, by making distinctions between these two-footed termites. All that does is confuse the very people we need to alert and persuade. They need, above all else, a clear, consistent, unmistakable message: jew = bad. Making non-existent distinctions between jews is a blunder in the same vein as mixing our cause with conservatism, by praising Buchanan and other paleoclowns. All this does -- and this flies right over the head of "our" intellectuals -- is vitiate our cause by CONFUSING people we need to persuade. Our thing must be wholly different - above and separate from conservatism. Whites already have a congenital problem with respect for authority and taking things at face value. Any WN who praises those who are part of the System-problem defeats itself by confirming potential supporters in System-approved quietism. Relax! it tells them - whining about fairness and double standards is enough, no further action called for, just sit back and the pro whingers will handle it. It truly is pathetic and amazing that such simple truths aren't obvious to everybody, but "there it is," as the Seemlanders say.
Good points. It is very refreshing to hear from a political thinker rather than a moralizer or a "truth" seeker - a way of thinking that is badly missing among those who think of themselves as the exponents of white interests. I welcome that, and I feel affinity with that approach.

I believe I have been warned once or twice before that calling anyone a jew unless you have proof is a bannable offense on VNN. But a warning coming from the administrator is more convincing . I shall not go into the swamp of discussing what exactly constitutes a proof for that would probably not serve any useful purpose, but I would like to ask (I hope that's not a bannable offense): do you know what Roberts ethnicity is without any reasonable doubt? If so, could you share it with us, please, if not how can you be sure that he is not a jew?

About All that does is confuse the very people we need to alert and persuade. They need, above all else, a clear, consistent, unmistakable message: jew = bad. You can do that in many different ways. You can just repeat that jew = bad million times, and that would probably be good enough for the majority of the population, or you could try to explain with the patience that it requires why jew = bad . When I initiated this thread, my presumption was that the second option is more appropriate for small group of people who are in the forefront of the struggle, the vanguarders so to speak.

Unless all you want to have on your side shoulder to shoulder in this struggle is a bunch of parrots, that is.
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I shall not go into the swamp of discussing what exactly constitutes a proof for that would probably not serve any useful purpose, but I would like to ask (I hope that's not a bannable offense): do you know what Roberts ethnicity is without any reasonable doubt? If so, could you share it with us, please, if not how can you be sure that he is not a jew?
In other words, the onus is on Alex to prove Roberts is not a jew.

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About All that does is confuse the very people we need to alert and persuade. They need, above all else, a clear, consistent, unmistakable message: jew = bad. You can do that in many different ways. You can just repeat that jew = bad million times, and that would probably be good enough for the majority of the population, or you could try to explain with the patience that it requires why jew = bad .
In other words, Ivan is the only one providing rational argument, and Alex gives no justification for his opinion.

Ivan says it in a cleverer way, but that's what he's saying. Is he right?
 
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I believe I have been warned once or twice before that calling anyone a jew unless you have proof is a bannable offense on VNN. But a warning coming from the administrator is more convincing . I shall not go into the swamp of discussing what exactly constitutes a proof for that would probably not serve any useful purpose, but I would like to ask (I hope that's not a bannable offense): do you know what Roberts ethnicity is without any reasonable doubt? If so, could you share it with us, please, if not how can you be sure that he is not a jew?
The burden's on you. Do you have any evidence at all he's a jew? No, you don't. Let alone the accusation is unbacked, it doesn't even make sense, since PCR is a prominent critic of Israel.

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You can just repeat that jew = bad million times, and that would probably be good enough for the majority of the population, or you could try to explain with the patience that it requires why jew = bad .
The public aren't intellectuals. All they hear in public is that jews are good. We tell them the truth: jews are bad. We connect jews to the evil they do. They are the root of every major social problem in the West. That's all the intellectualizing that the public can handle, or is necessary.

Simple, clear, black-and-white, reaching every non-retarded White man out there. That's the way to do it. That's the only way that can work.
 
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In other words, the onus is on Alex to prove Roberts is not a jew.
No, because while you can prove that someone is a Jew. It is almost impossible to prove someone is not Jewish. If there is validity in Jewish gene DNA testing, then that might be the only plausible way to prove racial Jewishness or lack-there-of.


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In other words, Ivan is the only one providing rational argument, and Alex gives no justification for his opinion.

Ivan says it in a cleverer way, but that's what he's saying. Is he right?
Yes and no. It is not that black and white. Yes, in far as in the under tone of every propaganda effort should be the basic message Jews= Bad; The problem being when the importance, or emphasis is placed on the "physical Jew" = Bad, the deadly aspect of the Jew escapes, that of the" ideological Jew" I see many people going down the road of Jew= Bad, but meanwhile they are engulfed in Jewish behavior, ideology, etc essentially making them "spiritual" Jews. So Jews= Bad but emphasis needs to be Jewish Ideology, beliefs makes Jews= bad, and you make it stick, with Jews have said ideologies as a part of their genetic make-up, of passing personality traits, group evolution strategy etc, or to the religious side (Christians, any other non-Jew membership dominated religion) because of their Talmud, and Torah.
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No, because while you can prove that someone is a Jew. It is almost impossible to prove someone is not Jewish. If there is validity in Jewish gene DNA testing, then that might be the only plausible way to prove racial Jewishness or lack-there-of.



Yes and no. It is not that black and white. Yes, in far as in the under tone of every propaganda effort should be the basic message Jews= Bad; The problem being when the importance, or emphasis is placed on the "physical Jew" = Bad, the deadly aspect of the Jew escapes, that of the" ideological Jew" I see many people going down the road of Jew= Bad, but meanwhile they are engulfed in Jewish behavior, ideology, etc essentially making them "spiritual" Jews. So Jews= Bad but emphasis needs to be Jewish Ideology, beliefs makes Jews= bad, and you make it stick, with Jews have said ideologies as a part of their genetic make-up, of passing personality traits, group evolution strategy etc, or to the religious side (Christians, any other non-Jew membership dominated religion) because of their Talmud, and Torah.
Sorry, didn't make myself clear. Rhetorical question misfire.

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Good points. It is very refreshing to hear from a political thinker rather than a moralizer or a "truth" seeker - a way of thinking that is badly missing among those who think of themselves as the exponents of white interests. I welcome that, and I feel affinity with that approach.

I believe I have been warned once or twice before that calling anyone a jew unless you have proof is a bannable offense on VNN. But a warning coming from the administrator is more convincing . I shall not go into the swamp of discussing what exactly constitutes a proof for that would probably not serve any useful purpose, but I would like to ask (I hope that's not a bannable offense): do you know what Roberts ethnicity is without any reasonable doubt? If so, could you share it with us, please, if not how can you be sure that he is not a jew?

About All that does is confuse the very people we need to alert and persuade. They need, above all else, a clear, consistent, unmistakable message: jew = bad. You can do that in many different ways. You can just repeat that jew = bad million times, and that would probably be good enough for the majority of the population, or you could try to explain with the patience that it requires why jew = bad . When I initiated this thread, my presumption was that the second option is more appropriate for small group of people who are in the forefront of the struggle, the vanguarders so to speak.

Unless all you want to have on your side shoulder to shoulder in this struggle is a bunch of parrots, that is.
My point is that Ivan is using dirty tricks and groundless accusations dressed up as reasonable argument. He preludes his tricks with some sucking up, so his target doesn't suspect he's going to get kicked in the balls. He follows it all with some goading to try to get everyone on his side. He's clever, and not in a good way. Clever as in devious.

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Sorry, didn't make myself clear. Rhetorical question misfire.

My point is that Ivan is using dirty tricks and groundless accusations dressed up as reasonable argument. He preludes his tricks with some sucking up, so his target doesn't suspect he's going to get kicked in the balls. He follows it all with some goading to try to get everyone on his side. He's clever, and not in a good way. Clever as in devious.
Not too up on the history of Ivan and his posting, discussion, debate etc methods, but I did see a fairly new thread that was created in the essence of discussing his antics in a negative light.
Which leads me to the question. Why dey haten Ivan?
Are you here for discussion with like-minded people? Civil debates on disagreements between us? Methods for roads to solution and victory? Or what Gibson stated?
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I only say this because like most (not all) things there is always an exception. I'm sure there is a good jew out there... somewhere.
 
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I have never met a good jew. All the jews I've met either screwed me over or were in the process of screwing someone else over. All the jews I hear about aren't good. That leads me to the conclusion that there are no good jews, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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