White Nationalism and Christianity

[RickHolland]

There is a strong anti-Christian tendency in contemporary White Nationalism.

The argument goes something like this: Christianity is one of the primary causes of the decline of the White race for two reasons.

First, it gives the Jews a privileged place in the sacred history of mankind, a role that they have used to gain their enormous power over us today.

Second, Christian moral teachings—inborn collective guilt, magical redemption, universalism, altruism, humility, meekness, turning the other check, etc.—are the primary cause of the White race’s ongoing suicide and the main impediment to turning the tide.

These values are no less Christian in origin just because secular liberals and socialists discard their supernatural trappings. The usual conclusion is that the White race will not be able to save itself unless it rejects Christianity.

I think that this argument is half right. I do believe that Christianity is one of the main causes of White decline, for the reasons given above. But I do not believe that discarding Christianity is a necessary condition of White revival.

I am not a Christian. But the fact that I am not a Christian might lend credibility to my argument that the White Nationalist movement need not and indeed should not be anti-Christian.

First, although intellectual debate is definitely part of White Nationalism (perhaps too large a part), we must never lose sight of the fact that White Nationalism is a political movement, not an intellectual one. Intellectual movements require agreement on first principles as well as ultimate goals.

Political movements require agreement only on practical goals.

Our goal is a White homeland in North America. This political goal is, as a matter of fact, shared by Christians and non-Christians alike. To achieve a White homeland, we have to work with our allies, not against them.

We might wish that they agree with us on other matters besides the goal of a White homeland. But this is not necessary, and emphasizing differences of opinion is not productive. When one is on the barricades, one does not turn to one’s comrades and start finding fault.

Not emphasizing differences of opinion is not the same thing as hiding them, however. A mature and healthy White Nationalist movement should cultivate a culture of openness and frankness. We need to be as willing to express our differences in a civil manner as we are to put them aside to work for the common good.

Second, Christianity may be a necessary condition of White racial suicide, but it is not really the driving force. Christianity has long ceased to be the ruling power in Western societies or individual Christian lives. Instead, the churches preach White suicide and Christian Zionism because they wish to suck up to the real intellectual and political power structure, and today that power structure is overwhelmingly dominated and defined by Jews and Jewish interests.

This is not a new phenomenon, either. The church has long trimmed its sails to the winds of expediency. When there were absolute monarchs, the church preached the divine right of kings. When there was slavery, it bade slaves to obey their masters. When there was patriarchy, it taught wives to obey their husbands.

It is tempting to condemn this tendency as mere political opportunism, but that would be a mistake. The church has always been supple at bending to the reigning political and intellectual orthodoxies because, ultimately, its kingdom is not of this world.

In spite of aberrations like the Social Gospel movement, the church has always been more concerned with saving individual souls than with social justice. Thus churchmen regard sucking up to the secular powers as a small price to pay to stay in the soul-saving business.

What this implies for White Nationalism is that the church will resist us less fervently than those whose aims are primarily secular, such as Jewish organizations, non-White ethnic organizations, and the secular left.

And when we gain power, ministers will begin hunting for Bible verses to justify the new regime. There is no reason why a White Nationalist regime cannot become a new Caesar, to whom Christians render their secular loyalty while reserving their religious loyalty for God.

Third, it is a basic principle of political struggle that one should always work to preserve the unity of one’s ranks while sowing division among the enemy.

Christian resistance to White Nationalism will be weaker if the churches are divided, and they can be divided if there are Christians in our ranks, especially Christians with personal ties to church leaders. Resistance will be stronger, however, if White Nationalism ceases being a merely political movement and takes on the aspect of an anti-Christian crusade.

Once a White Nationalist regime emerges, White Nationalist Christians can use their ties with the churches to better bring them into compliance with the new order.

Although the presence of Christians in the White Nationalist movement will help split the churches and weaken their resistance, their presence will not split or weaken White Nationalism as long as it remains a purely political movement unified solely by the pursuit of a White homeland.

Today White Nationalism is a movement of the political right. Someday, however, it may become the common sense of White people up and down the political spectrum.

To my mind, this would be a positive development, because when it comes to religion and politics, I am very much a liberal: I believe in the separation of religion and politics and in basing political decisions on secular reason.

To me, it seems fortunate that the separation of church and state in the White homeland may well be necessitated by political reality.

The White Nationalist movement must unite Whites of widely different religious convictions in the struggle for a homeland. That means we must build religious pluralism and tolerance into our movement today, which means they will be built into our homeland tomorrow.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...istianity.html

White Nationalism and Christianity | Newsnet 14

[Mr Wagner1888]

Good post. I agree with many, many points made in your post.

I, myself, am a Pagan. I honestly think christianity is very dangerous and ought to be done away with, but I will not push comrades away who are christian and seek the same goal as me: a united white front, and a white homeland. I have many friends who think the same as me spiritually, and I have a couple who are christians.

I think it was Tom Metzger who said something along the lines of "When in war, I will not ask the white next to me whether he is a christan or an athiest, only that he kill the enemies of our race as I will."

By the way, this is my first post here.

[AussieWN]

The Catholic church used to be very anti jew. Remember the Inquistion. The jews have been expelled from Christian countries on many occasions and only got back in after subverting leaders of those countries. There were reasons that the jews lived in ghettos. They were not allowed to mix with others. Years ago when I was at school, we were taught that the jew is the Christ killer and can not be trusted.

[Mike Parker]

We see the essential femininity of Greg Johnson's work: well-written, erudite, it all sounds nice but skips over the most important issues.

Originally Posted by RickHolland

But the fact that I am not a Christian might lend credibility to my argument that the White Nationalist movement need not and indeed should not be anti-Christian.

Trans: the piece is otherwise lacking in credibility.

Our goal is a White homeland in North America. This political goal is, as a matter of fact, shared by Christians and non-Christians alike.

How do we know Christians would put race above religion? Historically they've done the opposite.

When one is on the barricades, one does not turn to one’s comrades and start finding fault.

Still assuming they're on the same side of the barricade.

A mature and healthy White Nationalist movement should cultivate a culture of openness and frankness. We need to be as willing to express our differences in a civil manner as we are to put them aside to work for the common good.

It's not about civility. I've noticed Christians at VNNF who demand that Christianity be exempt from criticism as a condition of their participation in WN. That's exactly what the AmRen jews do. It shows their true priorities.

Instead, the churches preach White suicide and Christian Zionism because they wish to suck up to the real intellectual and political power structure, and today that power structure is overwhelmingly dominated and defined by Jews and Jewish interests.

What caused the power structure to be overwhelmingly dominated by Jews?

When there were absolute monarchs, the church preached the divine right of kings.

But they condemned German NS.

Thus churchmen regard sucking up to the secular powers as a small price to pay to stay in the soul-saving business.

The sucking up wasn't all one-sided, not at Canossa.

To me, it seems fortunate that the separation of church and state in the White homeland may well be necessitated by political reality.

What Christians favor separation of church and state? The liberal ones, of course, the same ones most allied with the Jews. But I've never heard a conservative Catholic like E. Michael Jones talk about church and state. Traditionally, the Church ran the schools in Europe, a function we now associate with government. IIRC, this was a huge issue as recently as the Spanish civil war.

I think the natural desire of Christians is for Christian theocracy, and it's only modern liberalism that denies it to them. If they have influence within WN when overturning liberalism that's what they'll try to reestablish. Much of this essay seems to assume that Christians could be part of WN but subordinated to non-Christians in WN. What Christians would agree to that?

[V.K.]

Originally Posted by AussieWN

The Catholic church used to be very anti jew. Remember the Inquistion. The jews have been expelled from Christian countries on many occasions and only got back in after subverting leaders of those countries. There were reasons that the jews lived in ghettos. They were not allowed to mix with others. Years ago when I was at school, we were taught that the jew is the Christ killer and can not be trusted.

Are you Hobbit? Are you involved with the Australian KKK that is controlled by a Jewish woman?

[Alex Linder]

Great comments, Mike. It's a decent essay, but you pointed out the problems in it.

I don't see any reason not to regard christ-insanity as a competitor, rather than pet down its hostility to our sanity as some kind of cute and temporary disorder. There's a lot of weak little nipple slurpers out there, and the pedopriests have lactated into their mawlets for 2,000 years and dripping. Brownie's operating on the typical Anglo-American idea that politics is separable from religion. Well, the politics that beat jews wasn't Anglo and wasn't merely political. It was German NS weltanschauung that put paid to the kikes in a time and space. Weltanschauung is all encompassing, far deeper than petty partisan politics. It operates in the same sphere as religion and competes with it. Other put, christ-insanity is one weltanschauung; national socialism, or potentially white nationalism, is another.

And so it is in reality as we experience it in daily life. A large part of the reason people won't come over to our side, even if they recognize we are reasoning rightly with regard to phenomena in this paltry (the christ-insane view) world is their christ-insane faith in some nonexistent world better and beyond this one. We're in a fight with the christ-insane whether we choose to fight back or not. Religious views go to the core of what a man is, and what context he sees himself operating in. That can't be divorced from his politics in any sense beyond the very most superficial. We WN have something better than the christ-insane do, and we should make that truth front and center, and market it directly to the insane, to reclaim as many of their minds for sanity as we can.

[MarkP]

Regardless of Christianity impending collapse and final demise, I don't think WhiteNationalism will achieve anything outside of a few demo's.

People are fundamentally religous in the core of their being.

Another secular politico is not going to fill that role.

[Leonard Rouse]

Originally Posted by MarkP

Regardless of Christianity impending collapse and final demise, I don't think WhiteNationalism will achieve anything outside of a few demo's.

People are fundamentally religous in the core of their being.

Another secular politico is not going to fill that role.

Not to speak for Mike or Alex. . .

I think you're exactly right if by "White Nationalism" you mean some other cookie-cutter, nutless, democratic politics.

It has to be more than that--a weltanschauung. No Lindsey Grahams (or, for that matter, Ron Pauls) need apply.

This thing is much bigger than votes at a ballot box. The Ed Steele set-up by the FBI has finally forced me to accept that.

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Originally Posted by Mike Parker

The sucking up wasn't all one-sided, not at Canossa.

Nice reference.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Canossa (Province of Reggio Emilia) is a comune and castle town in Emilia-Romagna, famous as the site where Holy Roman Emperor Henry IV did penance in 1077, standing three days bare-headed in the snow, in order to reverse his excommunication by Pope Gregory VII. The Walk to Canossa is sometimes used as a symbol of the changing relationship between the medieval Church and State.

Wikipedia (Links)

Canossa

[AussieWN]

Originally Posted by V.K.

Are you Hobbit? Are you involved with the Australian KKK that is controlled by a Jewish woman?

Yes I am Hobbit and no I am no longer involved with the CNKKKK. I left after finding proof that she is a jew and other reasons.

[Ted Denny Aylmer]

What about converting these christers to Christian Identity?

CI believes Jews are Devils Incarnate... there has to be some value in that.

Didn't Dr. Pierce, at some level, admire Christian Identities anti-Jewish doctrines?

[V.K.]

Originally Posted by AussieWN

Yes I am Hobbit and no I am no longer involved with the CNKKKK. I left after finding proof that she is a jew and other reasons.

Hvae you fixed your teeth up yet?

[AussieWN]

Originally Posted by V.K.

Hvae you fixed your teeth up yet?

Fuck off child, we are having a discussion here. Dont derail the thread.

[V.K.]

Originally Posted by AussieWN

Fuck off child, we are having a discussion here. Dont derail the thread.

So, you think your going to threaten me?


Everyone,

I am a ex-Stalinist. I was a member of the former Stalinist League of Australia and infact I was the Chief Commissar and General Secretary of the SLA for five years.

I was a communist. I made mistakes that I now regret. I apologise to all those who I have offended in some way or in some form.

I was deeply involved in the local communist movement.


Ha hobbit, hows living with hep. b going? Hows your liver? Hvae you stopped injecting yourself?

[AussieWN]

Originally Posted by V.K.

So, you think your going to threaten me?


Everyone,

I am a ex-Stalinist. I was a member of the former Stalinist League of Australia and infact I was the Chief Commissar and General Secretary of the SLA for five years.

I was a communist. I made mistakes that I now regret. I apologise to all those who I have offended in some way or in some form.

I was deeply involved in the local communist movement.


Ha hobbit, hows living with hep. b going? Hows your liver? Hvae you stopped injecting yourself?

VK can you at least get it correct,its hep c you idiot, and you like all other Aussies know I have been clean for 11 years. Go away and play your childish troll games elsewhere

[AussieWN]

The problem with the catholic church is that since Vatican 2, the church has leaned to the left in its views. The protestant churches though have been involved with the jew for longer. Here in Australia the uniting church is pushing for gay marriage and is behind the push for more refos flooding into the country.

[RickHolland]

Originally Posted by AussieWN

The problem with the catholic church is that since Vatican 2, the church has leaned to the left in its views. The protestant churches though have been involved with the jew for longer. Here in Australia the uniting church is pushing for gay marriage and is behind the push for more refos flooding into the country.

This is the problem.

Originally Posted by Ted Denny Aylmer

What about converting these christers to Christian Identity?

CI believes Jews are Devils Incarnate... there has to be some value in that.

Didn't Dr. Pierce, at some level, admire Christian Identities anti-Jewish doctrines?

This might be the solution.

[Jake Heke]

Christ insanity in general is Jewish and poison for whites but I don't think anyone here wouldn't hesitate to embrace it wholesale (at least insofar as paying it lip service and offering your life in combat to fight the jew under it's banner) if there was a sudden massive anti Jewish white Christian revival that swept the entire planet and threatened to do away with the current Jewish plans for a 1984 Communist Jew World Order global government and Jewish power in general.

Even Linder himself would slap on a giant red Templar Christian cross emblem and scream "God wills it!" with the rest of the Christ Insaners if thats what it took for us to defeat the Jews at the present point in time.

However even IF this were to take place ie a rise of traditional Jew hating "you hook nosed bastards killed Christ now you gotta die" Christianity the longterm problem I see with this Jew created slave religion for the goyim (which has supplanted our true religions of Odinism and paganism) is that it would stop short of removing the Jewish parasite from this planet entirely due to the sympathy created by the Jew god character of the religion and the deeply embedded Bible taught belief that Jews are chosen people of god, god punishes them at times for their evil via violent uprisings against Jews and then ultimately forgives them.

This of course will just lead to the Jewish problem happening all over again in a few thousand years after they are defeated by an "awakened" Jew hating Christianity practicing base of whites.

Not to mention Christ Insanity is a gateway religion of sorts that leads to Christian Zionism.

Long after the Jew Wise Christian Jew hating whites would die out and Jews are gradually let back into white nations worming their way back in as they have done 109 times before misguided future Christian whites will foolishly believe the jews have learned their lesson, have jews befriend them and before you know it another scumbag future race traitor white is tomorrow's Jew pimping war mongering armchair chickenhawk John Hagee televangelist type and the problem of Jewish crime, subversion, media and government control and trying to take over the planet and enslave everyone would and I repeat start all over again.

So truly the best solution for dealing with the Jewish problem is NOT a Christian Jew hating awakening but either a National Socialist revival among whites ala The Turner Diaries or a rational atheistic understanding of the Jews as a kind of sociopathic race that needs to be eliminated for the good of humanity whereby all races rise together and perform an altered multiracial version of The Turner Diaries against the Jews to acheive the mutual goals of freedom and racial separation in each race's own lands ie The Lord of The Rings Approach: "Each race is bound to this fate this one doom, you will unite or you will fall".

Only when either the white race or humanity as a whole awakens to the grim reality that the Jews are a race of sociopaths and pathological liars will the problem of world wars and related Jewish abuses of the global population come to an end.

[SmokyMtn]

Didn't Dr. Pierce, at some level, admire Christian Identities anti-Jewish doctrines?

No.


I suggest that you read the ORIGINAL NA manual where Dr. William Pierce labeled Christianity as an opposed ideology to White Nationalism.

Beyond the immediate conflict between us and the Christian churches on racial matters there is a long-standing and quite fundamental ideological problem with Christianity. It is not an Aryan religion; like Judaism and Islam it is Semitic in origin, and all its centuries of partial adaptation to Aryan ways have not changed its basic flavor.

Dr. Pierce did not have any respect for the Christian religion, he did however have respect for fellow racial loyalists, who call themselves Christian, who have tried to make Christianity more racialist, in the hopes that they will eventually abandon it all together.

....we want to avoid conflict with Christians to the extent that we can. We don’t want to give unnecessary offense, even when we speak out against the doctrines of these churches. We don’t want to ridicule their beliefs, which in some cases are sincerely held. Some of these people later will reject Christianity’s racial doctrines. Some will reject Christianity altogether. We want to help them in their quest for truth when we can, and we want to keep the door open to them.

After Dr. William Pierce passed away, those pages dealing with Christianity were taken out of the NA manual.

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Here is an e-mail that Will Williams sent me of his post that he figured Hunter Wallace will eventually put down the memory hole........

Will Williams
Posted October 31, 2010 at 9:54 am
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Back in the late 1980s, before we had the Internet, I was editor of the Racial Loyalty tabloid, the monthly newspaper for Ben Klassen’s Church or the Creator (COTC). I recently found RL #52, July ‘89, and saw in it a letter to the editor I published from a National Alliance member which included the following quote from Dr. Pierce from his February ‘89 National Alliance Members BULLETIN:
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“The greatest obstacle to the survival of our race is Christianity. Even with all their malice and cunning, the Jews would pose no real threat to the race were it not for their Christian collaborators. In the U.S. just as in South Africa, the Jews may be pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes, but the troops in the war against the White Race are mainly White Christians filled with religious guilt and obsessed with the need to expiate that guilt by sacrificing their own race on the altar of ‘equality’.

“…Let us never forget…that Christianity itself is an alien, hostile, racially destructive creed of Jewish origin, and in the future most of those who have fallen under its spell will continue to be our enemies and the enemies of our race.”
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A couple of years after Dr. Pierce wrote those words to his Alliance members in the internal NA Members BULLETIN, and I republished them for Creators in Racial Loyalty, he invited me to come work with him in WV as the Alliance’s first Membership Coordinator. The COTC self-destructed around 1992 and many Creators, knowing Dr. Pierce’s world view, naturally gravitated to the National Alliance (especially after he purchased the COTC headquarters property from Mr. Klassen), so it doesn’t take a great leap of imagination for some of the more activist-minded former Alliance members to want to help rebuild a viable Creativity Alliance. Erich Gliebe’s “new & improved” National Alliance is unrecognizable to them compared to the Alliance they had been a part of under Dr. Pierce. Alliance-building is Alliance-building.

[Derrick MacThomas]

Originally Posted by Ted Denny Aylmer

What about converting these christers to Christian Identity?

CI believes Jews are Devils Incarnate... there has to be some value in that.

Didn't Dr. Pierce, at some level, admire Christian Identities anti-Jewish doctrines?

This is what is wrong with that idea.

Read what Varg Vikernes had to say about it:

http://wau14.com/reality-time-by-varg-vikernes/

To believe the idiocy of CI a person would have to be utterly ignorant of history, anthropology, the origins of languages and the science of genetics.

They would also have never read the Bible properly, or at least what they may have read did not register with their brain.

CI is a delusional irrational fantasy concocted by American Christlings in an attempt to reconcile the unreconcilable: their culturally-programmed attachment to the Jewish go and a dead Jew on a stick, after they have become aware that the Jew is evil incarnate and the root of all our misery.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by V.K.

Hvae you fixed your teeth up yet?

We will tolerate very, very little of this kind of shit. Control yourself or get lost.