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Old April 7th, 2011 #1
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The White House has vowed to veto the short-term spending bill House Republicans will vote on this afternoon, taking away the safety net that could have given both sides another week to avert an immediate government shutdown.

Without a short-term extension, the options would be narrowed to either a broad successful deal or a shutdown as of midnight Friday.

“If presented with this bill, the president will veto it,” the White House said in an official statement of policy.

The House bill would extend the shutdown deadline by another week, to April 15, while funding defense needs for the rest of this year so that troops’ paychecks would not be endangered by a shutdown.

Meanwhile, negotiations on a broader year-long bill appeared to be foundering.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Thursday morning said it now “looks like it’s headed in that direction” when current funding runs out at midnight Friday.

Mr. Reid, Nevada Democrat, met for 90 minutes late Wednesday with Mr. Obama and House Speaker John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican, as they tried to work out a last-minute agreement to avert a shutdown, and Mr. Reid said he was optimistic after that meeting.

But just 11 hours later, he said that optimism had faded as the two sides have deadlocked over legislative add-ons, known as “policy riders,” such as restricting federal funding for Planned Parenthood and halting environmental rules.

“The only thing — only thing — holding up agreement is ideology,” Mr. Reid said on the Senate floor.
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I don't think the Feds would really care... It just gives them a blank check to do whatever they want anyway without getting shit from Congress. The FED will still print the money that THEY need.. All they need the US for is the army anyway so the jews could probably care less..

I hope the Feds stay shut down indefinately.. Best damn thing that ever happened. They aren't helping Americans anyway..
 
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Is it really good to post these ludacris threads?
 
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Is it really good to post these ludacris threads?

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You should re-post the above pic with a laser-dot between its eyes.. Then it makes sense.. Otherwise just a smelly nigger..
 
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The federal government shutting down Friday at midnight....
....and re-opening at 8am Monday morning.
 
Old April 7th, 2011 #7
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The House bill would extend the shutdown deadline by another week, to April 15, while funding defense needs for the rest of this year so that troops’ paychecks would not be endangered by a shutdown.
"Support are troops, morans!"
 
Old April 7th, 2011 #8
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http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=125994

Beat you to the punch.
 
Old April 7th, 2011 #9
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Perhaps. In this thread, instead of just covering the delay of income tax refunds, I will like to cover other issues related to Congress and the HNIC's inability to come to an agreement.
 
Old April 7th, 2011 #10
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Gates’s comment came during a question and answer session when one of the soldiers about how the government shutdown might affect them. He then joked, “as a historian it always occurred to me the smart thing for government was always to pay the guys with guns first.”

Turning serious he explained to them how if there is a government shutdown, days the troops in the field would get half a paycheck for this pay period, but get back pay in the future.

“But in all seriousness, based on some stuff I read this morning, if the government shuts down starts on the 8th and goes for a week, you’d get a half a check. If it goes from the 15th to the 30th, you wouldn’t get a pay check on the 30th but you would be back paid for all of it. So that’s the deal and I’m, you know, frankly, I remember when I was your age I did a lot of living from pay check to pay check and so I hope this thing doesn’t happen.”

Later speaking to reporters Gates explained that if the shutdown goes through the 30th then they’d miss a paycheck. But he explained how a shutdown would affect their families at home more than it would those serving in the field.

“Now they get paid in rear, obviously, so over time they won’t lose anything, but you all know as well as I do, a lot of these young troops live pretty much paycheck to paycheck. And I start to think about the inconvenience that its going to cause these kids and a lot of their families, even half a paycheck delayed can be a problem for them so I hope they work this whole thing out.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...last-visi.html
 
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The other issue to consider is that states are dependant on federal funding to keep programs going. Also, many employees that work for state and local governments are actually funded by the federal government.

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Already straining to make ends meet as the longest downturn since the Great Depression grinds on, state and local governments are now facing a new, unwelcome question: What would a shutdown of the federal government mean for their struggles to balance their budgets?

If a shutdown were to happen, the federal money that helps states pay the administrative costs of their stretched unemployment programs could dry up, forcing states to advance the money to keep the programs running. Federal grants for a variety of programs — including research, higher education and training local law enforcement officers — could be delayed.

Furloughing nonessential federal workers and halting payments to federal contractors could have a domino effect as local tax collections plummet in the Washington area and other places with many federal workers. And if national parks were closed, some states could lose tourism business, and the local tax revenues they generate.

“It all comes down to timing,” said Scott D. Pattison, the executive director of the National Association of State Budget Officers, which has been fielding calls this week from nervous state officials. “If it’s just a few days, you can deal with it. But if it’s over a week or two, the financial management people’s foreheads start to get a little sweaty.”

The impact of a short federal shutdown would be minimal, the association wrote in a recent briefing paper. A longer shutdown could pose problems. Even if many of the potential fiscal effects are relatively small, they could create cash-flow problems for some states already operating on tight budgets.

Illinois, for example, is currently trying to pay off a $4.5 billion backlog of bills to vendors going back to October. Bradley C. Hahn, a spokesman for the Illinois comptroller, Judy Baar Topinka, said, “A shutdown would be particularly devastating for states like ours that have no margins to cover the costs.”

Most of the largest federal programs that states rely on — for crucial safety net programs like Medicaid and food stamps, among other things — would most likely continue to function in the event of a shutdown.

But interruptions of smaller programs could still strain states in the short run, as they find themselves forced to pay the salaries of workers normally paid with federal funds.

The budget officers’ association noted that during the shutdown in 1995, Maryland spent $1.4 million a day to keep its federally paid employees at work.

While those kinds of expenses would probably be reimbursed, they are coming as many states are unusually vulnerable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/us/06states.html
 
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What will be closed, and what will stay open....

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/...ex.html?hpt=T2
 
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Perhaps. In this thread, instead of just covering the delay of income tax refunds, I will like to cover other issues related to Congress and the HNIC's inability to come to an agreement.
There have been many government shut downs in recent decades. Its nothing special, just a stop of unneeded services until a consensus is reached.
 
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Shut it down! This is going to be fun to watch.

The OMB has spoken:
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He said members of the military will continue fighting the country’s wars, but they will not be receiving paychecks after Friday.

“They will continue to earn their money, but they will not receive paychecks,” Zients said.
That should help with troop morale.

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National parks, forests and museums will close, Zients said, and only emergency passport services will remain open.

The National Institutes of Health Clinical Center will not take new patients, and no new clinical trials will start, he said. Four hundred IRS walk-in services across the country will close just as many file their tax returns.

Permits and other approvals will not be processed, including those that allow building projects to proceed, Zients said. Most veteran-benefits customer support services will be suspended.

White House staff also would be scaled back significantly, Zients said, with a number of political appointees joining federal workers in being furloughed.
How many of the 128 assistants for Michelle Obama will be laid off? Will Obama have to cancel his vacation this weekend? The horrors, will he have to stop golfing until a budget is passed?


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Zients said OMB has been planning for a possible shutdown for weeks, even though it had not told federal employees before this week how a shutdown might affect them.
No back pay is the reason why this shutdown will be different from all the others in the past.

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Workers who are furloughed seem less likely to receive back-pay. Public employee unions have warned their members that they should not assume that Congress would approve retroactive pay if there is a shutdown.
But, CONgress will continue to receive their pay. After all, they are essential.

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Members of Congress would get paid through a shutdown unless lawmakers approve legislation to suspend their pay.
 
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- Social Security administration: Checks for seniors, those with disabilities, and survivors would go out as usual. But Social Security Administration employees could face furloughs, but the agency is still finalizing its plan.

- Homeland Security: Critical functions, like border control, would continue.

- Mail delivery: The U.S. Postal Service is owned by the government but self-funded – so operations would continue uninterrupted.

- Air traffic control: As a function of maintaining public safety, Air traffic control would be exempt from a shutdown.

- National parks and monuments: As the New York Times puts it, “The National Zoo would close, but the lions and tigers would get fed.” National parks and museums, including those on the National Mall, like the Smithsonian, would shut down – just in time for spring break.

- Passport operations: All operations would be likely suspended, except for in cases of emergency.

- International Revenue Services (IRS): The IRs would close, but the April tax deadline would stay in place – so Americans would still have to pay their taxes on time. But according to the senior administration official, the processing of paper tax returns (which accounts for about 30 percent of all returns) would be suspended – as would refunds associated with those returns.

- The U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA): The SBA, which is dedicated to supporting small businesses, would suspend approval of applications for business loan guarantees, as well as direct loans to small businesses.

The Federal Housing Association (FHA): The FHA would be forced to suspend approvals for new loan guarantees during peak home-buying season, according to the administration official.

Medicare: According to the administration official, Medicare is funded for the short-term – and would likely remain unaffected unless the government were to remain closed for a period of months or more. NIH, however, will not be able to accept new patients or begin new clinical trials.

Uniformed military personnel would continue to serve, but they would not get paid for their work until the government reopened. (Troops would get one week, not two weeks, pay in their next check, as the shutdown would go into effect in the middle of a pay cycle.) And a number of Pentagon civilians, State Department officials and USAID staff would likely be furloughed.

Veterans Administration receives its yearly appropriation in advance and thus has the money to fund services for the rest of the year.
http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2011/0...e-support.html
 
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They're just halting the government operations that the public notices (passports, parks, tax refunds, etc.). Things like educating the troops on the joys of faggotry will continue unabated.
 
Old April 8th, 2011 #17
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Thirty percent of all home mortgages are backed by federal agencies that will be shutting down. This is the peak home buying season.

This is a bigger deal then back in 1995-1996. Back then, the economy was in better shape, and could easily take, what was it, a 30 day shut down back then?

The fight over the 2011 budget is not the only issue that will cause a partial government shutdown, there is also the debt ceiling that needs to be raised by the end of the month.

Fiscal year 2011 is half over and the Democrats and Republicans have yet to agree on a budget. They should be working on the budget for the 2012 fiscal year.

Many of you here have this illusion that the federal government shutting down will be just a minor inconvenience, forgetting how much of our economy right now is dependant on federal government spending.

Not only will there be 800,000 federal employees be furloughed, have anyone of you considered the hundreds of thousands of employees of federal contractors that will be told to stay home also? Also, those federal government employees who will be required to stay on, will do so with paychecks until a budget agreement passes.

This problem is not going to go away. What we have here is a battle between the newly elected Tea Party Republicans holding on the best that they can the promises that they made to their constituents and the establishment politicians wanting to hold onto their favorite programs. There is a very good chance that there will be a shutdown because both sides are calling each other's bluff, and neither side wants to be seen as giving in.

The state of Illinois is six months behind in making payments to their vendors. It can least afford a partial shutdown. In another article, it was reported that 40% of the State of Michigan's revenues comes from the federal government.

Another thing to consider is the tens of thousands of private companies that rely on federal contracts (even if they are paid through the state or local governments, the funds come from the federal level), for everything from road building to IT.
 
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The Shutdown Problem This September is Going to be Even Worse

By Stan Collender Apr 8, 2011, 9:50 AM Author's Website


No matter what happens today with the government shutdown, the situation is going to be even more difficult this September when the House, Senate, and White House fight over the 2012 appropriations. The House GOP is likely to propose even larger appropriations reductions in next year’s budget than it did for fiscal 2011 and the battle will be far more intense. This especially will be the case if (1) the tea party wing of the GOP doesn’t get what it wants on the 2011 appropriations and feels that it needs to make a stand on 2012, and (2) if House Speaker John Boehner thinks he has to make a stand on 2012 spending to show the tea party he doesn’t deserve a primary opponent.

In other words…Expect another shutdown threat…or an actual shutdown…in less than 6 months.

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The U.S. Agency for International Development needs to go.

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So far in the budget debate, the Obama administration has drawn few bright lines, preferring to blur distinctions with concessions. But last week, a neon line was drawn by an unlikely administration official. Rajiv Shah, the administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development, possesses the mildest of manners. Testifying before the House state and foreign operations subcommittee, however, Shah had this to say:
“We estimate, and I believe these are very conservative estimates, that H.R. 1 would lead to 70,000 kids dying. Of that 70,000, 30,000 would come from malaria control programs that would have to be scaled back, specifically. The other 40,000 is broken out as 24,000 who would die because of a lack of support for immunizations and other investments, and 16,000 would be because of the lack of skilled attendants at birth.”
This is the hardest of hardball politics — accusing budget cutters of unwitting complicity in the deaths of children. House GOP lawmakers responded angrily. “Nearly every administration witness appearing before the Appropriations Committee,” said Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.), “has put forward nightmare scenarios and dire numbers to argue why we should not be reducing spending in any program. Republicans won’t be drawn into a debate over what might happen based on speculations and hype.”
 
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Moran to Veteran: Sit Down or Leave

The frustration shared among federal employees and beneficiaries who would be affected by a government shutdown boiled over at a town hall meeting held by Democratic Virginia Congressman Jim Moran. The meeting was held at Frances Hammond Middle School in Alexandria.

One 27-year military veteran engaged the Congressman in a back and forth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Y3ZEbv5I#at=73

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