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Old June 15th, 2011 #1
Anders Hoveland
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Default Native Americans NOT first in Americas

There has often been the argument that native americans were the first to populate north america and therfore they have some special right over white people. The post below should dispell this.

First, consider this: there are more hispanics today living in Los Angeles County (in California, USA) than there were native americans living (before Columbus) in the combined area which is today the USA and Canada!

Native Americans were not even the first to reach North America!
"While scientists do not doubt that the origins of the first Americans lie outside of the Americas, the old idea that populations from northeast Asia were the sole ancestors is coming increasingly under attack. Both archaeological and genetic evidence assembled over the last two decades suggests that there were mulitiple origins for the first Americans. At the end of 1999 scientists meet in California and New Mexico to mull over the implications of recently discovered or restudied ancient American skeletons, most of which date between 8,600 and 11,000 years ago. Instead of resembling the historically known American Indians, the wide range of skull shapes which have come to light so far display affinities with populations as diverse as the Ainu of Japan and peoples of central Asia. There is even seems to be some similarities with the Neandertals of Europe, suggesting a small distant genetic contribution from these creatures."
http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/anc...nyorigins.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0222155645.htm

Anthropologists do not know where the Ainu of Japan came from, but they have several physical features closer to caucasions than east asians. The Ainu have been culturally and racially mixing in Japan for centuries, and today there do not exist any ethnically pure Ainu left. Some linguists have even suggested a distant link between the Ainu language and the germanic language. For example, "to buy" in german is "kaufen", compared to "kau" in japanese. "Love" in swedish is "älska", compared to ai shiteru (pronounced "aiste") in japanese. Hattori Shiro and James Patriehas have shown several similarities between the altaic languages and the Ainu language. Finnish and Hungarian, for example, are considered descendants of the altaic languages. (when looking on a world map, remember that russian is a slavic language, and the slavs only migrated from the southwest into what is now russia relatively recently. the communists supressed all the native russian languages so there is little left there today to search for a "missing link". Betty Meggers has shown similarities of pottery fragments found in Japan and Ecuador. She contended that Japanese Middle Jomon pottery was similar to ceramics from the Valdivia site in Ecuador—both dating between 2000 and 3000 B.C.. Meggers has also stated that plants and parasites of Japanese origin are found among Andean populations. Particularly, a subtype of the HTLV-1 retrovirus was found in two ancient Bolivian desert mummies. Until the recent discovery, the virus was thought to be endemic only to a small region in southern japan. The virus spreads only by sexual contact.

It seems that North America was originally populated by an unknown group of people who resided in the continent for thousands of years before the descendants of todays native americans came. As the ancient skeletons found show relatively little genetic similarity to native americans, it seems that massive waves of settlers overwhelmed the genetic pool of the original inhabitants. This is not at all to see the original north american people were white, for we know very little about them, but they may have been more related to europeans than todays native americans.

Then there is always the hypothesis that nordic settlers reach the eastern coast before the native americans had time to migrate across the continent, and that the nordic settler were either slaughtered or interbred to such an extent that there is no trace of their ancient explorations. There are all sorts of theories that the norse traveled as far as Australia!
http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/s...enomenonh.html

There is definitive evidence that vikings settled in North America over a thousand years ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Anse_aux_Meadows
http://www.therightperspective.org/2...north-america/
There also exists much more controversial evidence of even earlier norse settlement before the birth of Christ. Remember that nearly all of anthropologist's information about the presence of humans before 6000 years ago can only establish the presence of human habitation (spear tips and ashes), not the genetics or culture of the people who lived in america at that time.

Going off on a tangent topic, the Valdivian region also one of the rare places in the world with temperate rainforest (only found in pacific northwest, scandinavia, Caucasus region, New Zealand, and Japan). There seems to be many unusual coincidences connecting the norse peoples to several of the temperate rain forests around the world. If you are interested in this off topic, you can see http://forum.rorta.net/showthread.php?t=10696
 
Old July 25th, 2012 #2
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Default Neanderthals in Texas

There was a site excavated in Texas, a cave, where the skeletons appeared to be Neanderthals and they had the stone tools of Neanderthals. Also a Dutchman who lived in colonial French Louisiana during the early part of the 18th century found 2 rotting carcasses of "elephants" on the Ohio river. History is very political.

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Old July 25th, 2012 #3
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There has often been the argument that native americans were the first to populate north america and therfore they have some special right over white people. The post below should dispell this.

First, consider this: there are more hispanics today living in Los Angeles County (in California, USA) than there were native americans living (before Columbus) in the combined area which is today the USA and Canada!
Hispanics are Native American Indians whose ancestors were taught to speak Spanish and practice Catholicism by Spaniards from Europe.

Hispanics - Indian not Spanish:



 
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