Kievsky on Christ-insanity

[Alex Linder]

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[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

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It's always been my contention that Christianity's main grip on the minds of it's followers is not the promise of some dubious reward in the hereafter; but it is the fear of punishment in the hereafter for non-conformity in the here and now.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

It's always been my contention that Christianity's main grip on the minds of it's followers is not the promise of some dubious reward in the hereafter; but it is the fear of punishment in the hereafter for non-conformity in the here and now.

As a general rule, people don't want to die, period. That is the main grip of religion.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

As a general rule, people don't want to die, period. That is the main grip of religion.

Most people would gladly trade promises of an afterlife in heaven for a good life in the here and now in a heartbeat.

No one really cares about heaven - at its best it would become insufferably boring in half a day.'

It's the terror of waking up in hell that grips people's minds and motivates them to walk on metaphysical eggshells out of fear of pissing off Yahweh.

[Steven L. Akins]

The Christian concept of heaven isn't so much of a reward for being good as it is the lesser of two punishments for those who are less bad.

Heaven is a boring place, devoid of all carnal pleasures. Its one redeeming feature being that its residents are not constantly writhing in agony for all eternity.

[Donnie in Ohio]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

Most people would gladly trade promises of an afterlife in heaven for a good life in the here and now in a heartbeat.

No one really cares about heaven - at it's best it would become insufferably boring in half a day.'

It's the terror of waking up in hell that grips people's minds and motivates them to walk on metaphysical eggshells out of fear of pissing off Yahweh.

The people in Heaven are rich, Steve. Streets of gold, remember? That's what people want. To finally be rich. If not in this life, then the next.

As for Hell, on the bright side, you live for eternity either way, so it's sort of a win-win.

Religion is easy to explain when you understand Homo sapiens.

[Eire]

I think people do like the idea of immortality in a garden of eden. This is why "sola scriptura" is so much more appealing than countless manipulative dogmas.

Wikipedia (Links)

Sola_scriptura

If you are Jehovah Witness or 7th day adventist you can go to where the jews go, to the great "soul sleep".
Annhiliation is your reward for disobedience which is way better than eternal torment.

http://christianity.about.com/od/chr...ssoulsleep.htm

[Eire]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

The Christian concept of heaven isn't so much of a reward for being good as it is the lesser of two punishments for those who are less bad.

Heaven is a boring place, devoid of all carnal pleasures. Its one redeeming feature being that its residents are not constantly writhing in agony for all eternity.

In hell their are carnal pleasures ad infinitum but everything has pointy edges on it.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Donnie in Ohio

The people in Heaven are rich, Steve. Streets of gold, remember? That's what people want. To finally be rich. If not in this life, then the next.

Bullshit. All the gold in heaven and earth isn't worth a hill of beans because there is no where to spend it and nothing to spend it on. The Devil is the author of all vices, and he doesn't make house calls in heaven.

Heaven is like some god-awful retirement home in the sky, but without the shuffleboard and canasta.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Eire

In hell their are carnal pleasures ad infinitum but everything has pointy edges on it.

It's hard to imagine carnal pleasures being indulged in inside an incinerator.

[Sam Fisher]

Christianity is a close cousin to liberalism. The former being a deity-based system, the other a deed-based system. Both are embedded with fuzzy-feel-giddiness. Both have the same jew uncle.

[john2020]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

Most people would gladly trade promises of an afterlife in heaven for a good life in the here and now in a heartbeat.

No one really cares about heaven - at its best it would become insufferably boring in half a day.'

It's the terror of waking up in hell that grips people's minds and motivates them to walk on metaphysical eggshells out of fear of pissing off Yahweh.

Exactly, I believe that in part it is the white race's excessive altruism that made Christianity get such a strong grip on Europe, despite being of Semitic nature.

And the Jews have been using Christianity, together with our altruism to keep us as their slaves since Rome.

[Kievsky]

I wrote this when I realized that any time I said a discouraging word about the Jeeb, the Christian commenters would start threatening to leave, and claim "you will lose without Jeeboo!" and I realized that all they do is threaten when questioned.

"You like me right? You like me commenting here? Well you insult my man JC and I'm outta here."

That, or, "All your efforts will fall flat because following Jesus is following the Eternal laws and no Jesus, no victory. You will lose/fail without Jesus."

Of course no proof of this offered. Those are the substance of what Christians say when they are questioned. So I said they can comment, but they are not allowed to make threats or use scare tactics or quote the Bible.

So far I got plenty of comments from most of my usual commenters. Setting these rules actually clears a lot of noise out of the religious talk, because most religious talk is just threats, extortion, and wholly unfounded prophecies of defeat.

[Steven L. Akins]

I believe that you could actually completely remove the offer of an eternity spent in heaven from Christianity and people would still chose to be Christians and would still struggle to obey its precepts as long as you still included the possibility of being fated to endure eternal damnation and torment in hell if you didn't walk the proverbial line of pleasing Yahweh in the here and now.

A reward of heaven in the afterlife is not necessary to Christianity in any way; it is the fear of eternal punishment that motivates Christians.

Christianity is like a strict, overbearing, parent that keeps its children in line through fear of pain.

The Christians are like pathetic children who cry out "I don't care about the candy, daddy; just please don't beat me and I'll behave."


Religion Southern style, a billboard on I-65 north of Montgomery, Alabama:

[Vance Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

I believe that you could actually completely remove the offer of an eternity spent in heaven from Christianity and people would still chose to be Christians and would still struggle to obey its precepts as long as you still included the possibility of being fated to endure eternal damnation and torment in hell if you didn't walk the proverbial line of pleasing Yahweh in the here and now.

Perhaps the idea of Hell is for the commoner and Heaven is for the ambitious.

[Angel Ramsey]

Originally Posted by Vance Stubbs

Perhaps the idea of Hell is for the commoner and Heaven is for the ambitious.

Heaven is for the fool.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Vance Stubbs

Perhaps the idea of Hell is for the commoner and Heaven is for the ambitious.

Or the other way around.

It seems to me that the "rewards" of heaven might only appeal to the most simple-minded folk; whereas those of a higher mind would view such "rewards" with a jaded eye, and would prefer the eternal oblivion of non-consciousness in death over the tedious concept of an everlasting church service/family reunion in the sky.

[Vance Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Steven L. Akins

Or the other way around.

It seems to me that the "rewards" of heaven might only appeal to the most simple-minded folk; whereas those of a higher mind would view such "rewards" with a jaded eye.

Hmm, maybe you're right. Hell to prey on guilt, Heaven to prey on cowardice.

[Angel Ramsey]

Originally Posted by Vance Stubbs

Hmm, maybe you're right. Hell to prey on guilt, Heaven to prey on cowardice.

Hell to pray on reality, Heaven to prey on stupidity. I don't pray to either. Fuck them both.

[Steven L. Akins]

Originally Posted by Angel Ramsey

Hell to pray on reality, Heaven to pray on stupidity. I don't pray to either. Fuck them both.

Not to seem too Rick Rosenville on you but don't you mean prey on stupidity?