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Old May 28th, 2013 #1
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Auschwitz 'May not Reflect Real Facts' says Hungary's Far-Right Jobbik MP


An MP for the ultra-far right Jobbik party in Hungary has said that the Auschwitz concentration camp museum "may not reflect real facts".

During a discussion in parliament over a proposal to facilitate visits by teenagers to the former Nazi camp in Poland, Tamas Gaudi-Nagy said schools should not be "forced to take up such an expensive venture" for a site whose historical accuracy is, he believes, doubtful.

Jobbik is Hungary's third largest party and won 17 percent of the vote in the last elections (2010) with an anti-Semitic, anti-EU and anti-Roma agenda. Hungary has one of the largest Jewish populations in the EU.

Gaudi-Nagy's statements sparked criticism from the country's ruling Fidesz party. Its leader, Antal Rogan, said: "Nobody has the right to question the Holocaust, the suffering and death of millions of people."

Registered in 2003, Jobbik has become known for insulting Jews and the country's 700,000-strong Roma population. It founded the Hungarian Guard, an unarmed vigilante group which reminds many of far-right groups during World War II.

"We have an internal problem that is Gypsy crime and an external threat: the Jewish invasion," one of the group's leaders, Jozsef Inancsi, told Channel 4 News.

Hungary's Jewish watchdog on anti-Semitism, the Action and Protection Foundation (TEV), dubbed the party neo-Nazi.

Earlier in May, Jobbik staged a mass rally in Hungary's capital Budapest to protest against a meeting of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) in the city.

Marton Gyongyosi, an outspoken Jobbik MP, told the rally that Hungary had become "subjugated to Zionism."

He famously spurred a controversy last year among Jewish organisations in the country after calling for a list of Jews who pose a "national security risk".

Anti-Semitism is a delicate issue in the country, given that between 500,000 and 600,000 Hungarian Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, according to the Holocaust memorial centre in Budapest. One in three Jews killed in Auschwitz were Hungarian nationals, according to some accounts.

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That pretty much sums up their whole ideology: "My mind is made up and I don't want to hear anything contrary to what I already believe." Sort of like mentioning evolution to an evangelical-type.

And WTF kind of indoctrination program are they running over there anyway? Schools are expected to take students to ANOTHER COUNTRY just to force the jew version of history on them? But, I guess no different than dragging school buses full of kids to the Anne Frank Fantasy Exposition in D.C.
 
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That pretty much sums up their whole ideology: "My mind is made up and I don't want to hear anything contrary to what I already believe." Sort of like mentioning evolution to an evangelical-type.

And WTF kind of indoctrination program are they running over there anyway? Schools are expected to take students to ANOTHER COUNTRY just to force the jew version of history on them? But, I guess no different than dragging school buses full of kids to the Anne Frank Fantasy Exposition in D.C.
The UK spends millions on sending school kids to Poland. These kids know more about the holocaust than their own history....or rather they know a lot of lies about a colossal fraud centred in Poland and that's what passes for 20th Century history, today.
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Castration! That’ll cut crime: Jobbik

Posted on 11 July 2013

Chemical castration, the death penalty and ethnic-based prisons should be introduced to deal with “continuously increasing” violent crime, extreme-right party Jobbik spokesman Ádám Mirkoczki said on Tuesday.

The new penal code introduced on Monday is too lenient and will have little effect on improving safety, he said. The situation in small towns and villages was “appalling” despite Prime Minister Viktor Orbán describing law enforcement as satisfactory.

Mirkoczki, whose party campaigns on a virulent anti-Gypsy, law-and-order agenda, described Jobbik’s nominally banned paramilitary organisations as “the most active” and “the most organised” during the recent flooding of the Danube.

“There weren’t many Gypsies to be seen on the river banks apart from those that were paid to fill sandbags,” he said.

http://www.budapesttimes.hu/2013/07/...rime-jobbik-2/
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One think I'm cautious about Jobbik is that they seem to support turanism
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Students give Jobbik high marks

Posted on 18 July 2013

Jobbik is the most popular party among higher-education students with 17 per cent in favour of the extreme-right formation, according to a survey recently released by Active Young People Research Group (Aktiv Fiatalok).

Governing party Fidesz and its coalition partner KDNP (Christian Democrats) garnered 15 per cent approval, followed by Együtt2014-PM (a socialist-alternative coalition) with 13.7 per cent, 7.7 per cent for green-alternative LMP, three per cent for socialist MSZP and one per cent for socialist breakaway party DK.

Forty per cent could not or did not want to say who they support.

The research showed a split between students in Budapest and in provincial institutions, the former placing Együtt2014-PM ahead followed by Fidesz, and the latter preferring Jobbik, with Fidesz again in second place.

Some 23 per cent thought dictatorship could under certain conditions prove better than democracy. Six per cent said Hungary’s current situation is so bad that only dictatorship would be the solution.

Forty-four per cent said they were planning to study abroad, particularly among Budapest students (57 per cent). Almost 20 per cent were decided to move abroad to work and another 48 per cent were considering doing so. Fewer than 10 per cent rejected the idea of moving abroad for work.

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Jobbik plans large protests in autumn

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The radical nationalist Jobbik party is planning to stage mass demonstrations in the autumn to protest against the land law and demand resolution to the problem of troubled FX borrowers, party leader Gabor Vona said in an interview published by daily Magyar Hirlap on Tuesday.

Jobbik will also initiate a referendum concerning the land law, the paper quoted Vona as saying.

Vona said Jobbik has no direct plans to repeat a June event when the party’s MPs occupied the parliamentary speaker’s box in protest against the land law but will resort to such methods “when necessary”.

Jobbik will complete the process of appointing candidates for next year’s parliamentary election at its next board meeting. Initially the party’s local organisations pick the candidates and the board will need to decide about them, Vona said. Around two-thirds of the 106 individual candidates have been selected so far and the rest will be picked in the next two weeks, he added.

Vona said he expected four Jobbik candidates to win seats in the next European Parliamentary election instead of the current three.

http://www.politics.hu/20130723/jobb...sts-in-autumn/
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Castration! That’ll cut crime: Jobbik

Posted on 11 July 2013

Chemical castration, the death penalty and ethnic-based prisons should be introduced to deal with “continuously increasing” violent crime, extreme-right party Jobbik spokesman Ádám Mirkoczki said on Tuesday.

The new penal code introduced on Monday is too lenient and will have little effect on improving safety, he said. The situation in small towns and villages was “appalling” despite Prime Minister Viktor Orbán describing law enforcement as satisfactory.
As the various nations of Europe become reflections of each other I think common-ground measures re immigrant problems should become the order of the day with the national parties settling on what is considered the most effective policy regardless of which nation that policy first originated.

Unity of purpose in this way will strengthen nationalist groups allowing them to focus on problems right across the Continent creating a zero tolerant geography which is the polar opposite of the welcoming safe-haven we have now.
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One think I'm cautious about Jobbik is that they seem to support turanism
http://www.jobbik.com/fidesz_and_msz...uranic_nations
Some of their racial theories are plain bizarre, and I think as time goes on they will shed them for a more Western/Aryan outlook, for pragmatic reasons if logic is out of the question. Believing a Manchurian Chinese and a Hungarian Central European are racial kin is beyond ridiculous. The only thing Turanic about Hungary, Bulgaria, and Finland are names of their countries.
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As the various nations of Europe become reflections of each other I think common-ground measures re immigrant problems should become the order of the day with the national parties settling on what is considered the most effective policy regardless of which nation that policy first originated.

Unity of purpose in this way will strengthen nationalist groups allowing them to focus on problems right across the Continent creating a zero tolerant geography which is the polar opposite of the welcoming safe-haven we have now.
Yes. Seemingly paradoxically for those having been fed anti-nationalist lies all their life: the serious ethno-nationalist parties across Europe are the only ones that are really thinking in terms of what is best for the whole of Europe as a unity, while being the strongest opponents to the current European Union. And they are - also seemingly paradoxically for those that have been conditioned to think of hostile and destructive chauvinism when they hear the word "nationalism" - the only one's that actually support the other European nations' right to sovereignty, freedom and independence.

As an example: mainstream parties and politicians in Germany and Greece respectively, supposedly sharing a united political (EU) and monetary (EMU - Euro) cause, are taking cheap shots at each other right now: The Greeks are "lazy", "wasteful" and "undiciplined", while Merkler and Germany are cold money-grubbing extortive "nazis" or "fascists" (though in reality these two are complimentary terms and the current occupied Germany doesn't deserve to be called either) - but all advocate for what amounts to fundamentally more of the same, and profess their belief, directly or indirectly, in the legitimacy of the system.

NPD and Golden Dawn, the supposed "extreme-rightwing chauvinists", on the other hand, contrary to popular belief, are able to look beyond the short sighted inflamed squabbling, and look at the bigger picture; recognizing that the monetary union was a failed project from the beginning; that there are enormous structural problems in the monetary and banking system that needs to be reformed; that the suffocating usurious black web of debt spawned by this distorted (jewish) system needs to be gotten rid off before nations can regain their sovereignty and the transparent and honest real trade and exchange between the countries can resume; that the third world forced immigration are perhaps the biggest resource drainers of all in this current day and age, apart from being endlessly socially destructive and an existential threat to the european peoples, and that it needs to be stopped and reversed; etc. etc.

A common enemy - created if necessary - is the best way to keep a people together and unified, which the jews knows better than any other group. And in our common European and White cause, the main enemies needs no propping up at all; they're crystal clear: 1.) non-white immigration, and 2.) the usurious monetary and banking system - brought to us both by jews - and it is encouraging to see more and more white nationalists of whatever nationality realizing and recognizing this fact, and getting their priorities in order.

From this "holistic" European continental perspective, Greece and Spain especially can be recognized as the two main gateway countries from which the third-world influx occurs, and that we as a united continent and as brother peoples have a common interest in keeping these gates closed.

This topic, in the case of Spain specifically, was expanded on by a "Democracia National" member on the "Vision Europa"-conference hosted in Sweden earlier this year, which is one very encouraging initiative taken to strengthen the ties and further the pan-european nationalist movement.

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Yes. Seemingly paradoxically for those having been fed anti-nationalist lies all their life: the serious ethno-nationalist parties across Europe are the only ones that are really thinking in terms of what is best for the whole of Europe as a unity, while being the strongest opponents to the current European Union. And they are - also seemingly paradoxically for those that have been conditioned to think of hostile and destructive chauvinism when they hear the word "nationalism" - the only one's that actually support the other European nations' right to sovereignty, freedom and independence.

As an example: mainstream parties and politicians in Germany and Greece respectively, supposedly sharing a united political (EU) and monetary (EMU - Euro) cause, are taking cheap shots at each other right now: The Greeks are "lazy", "wasteful" and "undiciplined", while Merkler and Germany are cold money-grubbing extortive "nazis" or "fascists" (though in reality these two are complimentary terms and the current occupied Germany doesn't deserve to be called either) - but all advocate for what amounts to fundamentally more of the same, and profess their belief, directly or indirectly, in the legitimacy of the system.

NPD and Golden Dawn, the supposed "extreme-rightwing chauvinists", on the other hand, contrary to popular belief, are able to look beyond the short sighted inflamed squabbling, and look at the bigger picture; recognizing that the monetary union was a failed project from the beginning; that there are enormous structural problems in the monetary and banking system that needs to be reformed; that the suffocating usurious black web of debt spawned by this distorted (jewish) system needs to be gotten rid off before nations can regain their sovereignty and the transparent and honest real trade and exchange between the countries can resume; that the third world forced immigration are perhaps the biggest resource drainers of all in this current day and age, apart from being endlessly socially destructive and an existential threat to the european peoples, and that it needs to be stopped and reversed; etc. etc.

A common enemy - created if necessary - is the best way to keep a people together and unified, which the jews knows better than any other group. And in our common European and White cause, the main enemies needs no propping up at all; they're crystal clear: 1.) non-white immigration, and 2.) the usurious monetary and banking system - brought to us both by jews - and it is encouraging to see more and more white nationalists of whatever nationality realizing and recognizing this fact, and getting their priorities in order.

From this "holistic" European continental perspective, Greece and Spain especially can be recognized as the two main gateway countries from which the third-world influx occurs, and that we as a united continent and as brother peoples have a common interest in keeping these gates closed.

This topic, in the case of Spain specifically, was expanded on by a "Democracia National" member on the "Vision Europa"-conference hosted in Sweden earlier this year, which is one very encouraging initiative taken to strengthen the ties and further the pan-european nationalist movement.
I agree. The views I hold now are the same views I've held for almost 40 yrs; always rejecting the orthodox ideas of nationalism extant prior to the advent of fascism and national socialism; both of which sought to break the grip of financial capitalism and (especially in the case of NS) place a value on the racial stock that was at best only superficially present in the old sham nationalisms.

Prior to the 1920s the common people of Europe, who share a common ancestry, were ruthlessly exploited for gain: the original patriotards eager to get off to war for no reward other than the chance to fuck over their neighbour or some distant nigger people while they still had youth and vigour on their side.

Yes, Spain, Greece, Italy, these are the forward positions and the people of Northern Europe must ensure they are given the support they need to keep the continent secure.

It's still my hope that this unprecedented assault against us will be the catalyst for the making of Europe and its peoples.

Death or perfection will come from this thing but to escape death and achieve perfection we must quickly reject the old ways, embrace the new, and place absolute trust in each other.

We must come together as one and act with extreme prejudice.
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Some of their racial theories are plain bizarre, and I think as time goes on they will shed them for a more Western/Aryan outlook, for pragmatic reasons if logic is out of the question. Believing a Manchurian Chinese and a Hungarian Central European are racial kin is beyond ridiculous. The only thing Turanic about Hungary, Bulgaria, and Finland are names of their countries.

Yeah, the Pan-Turanism is really strange, especially considering that Hungarian population genetically clusters with neighboring Slavs and Germans.

I prefer NS Magyar Nemzeti Arcvonal (Hungarian National Front) to Jobbik



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The Hungarian National Front disapproves the detachment of Kosovo from Serbia. We feel with the Serbs in this question – we know as well the pain of loosing ancient lands. Kosovo is the heart of Serbia. We judge the atrocities of the Albans against Serbs and their crimes against Christianity. We judge the politics of the US the fomenting of ethnic tensions with which they interfere in the internal affairs of countries. Kosovo belongs to the Serbs!

Kosovo je Srbija!

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"The Rise of the Far Right in Hungary"

Jobbik has formed a national guard. They patrol gypsy problem areas. Interview with guy, he says, we have an internal problem with gypsies, and an extrernal problem - the threat of jewish invasion. We know there is a global Zionist fund controlling the whole world including the US and the European Union. It's thanks to them Hungary has become a mess since the end of communism.

Jobbik mayor in rural town: it was taboo to talk about gypsy crime, but Jobbik dared talk about it.

Jobbik protested the WJC holding its congress in Budapest.

If Jobbik wins big elections...

1) ban on foreigners buying land
2) deal with global jewish conspiracy to take over Hungary

Former KPMG (big consulting firm) analyst wants Secret Service to draw up list of all those with dual Hungary/Israeli citizenship.

Jobbik is third biggest party in Hungary, same as Golden Dawn in Greece.

WJC says it convened in Hungary to highlight the rise of 'anti-semitism' there.

No mention of what jewish communists did to Hungary, just that same ol' inexplicable anti-jewishism.
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IHR's Uprising! One Nation's Nightmare: Hungary 1956 by Charles Lutton.

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That pretty much sums up their whole ideology: "My mind is made up and I don't want to hear anything contrary to what I already believe."
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Four jailed for neo-Nazi killing spree that terrified Hungary's Roma



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BUDAPEST | Tue Aug 6, 2013 12:41pm BST

(Reuters) - A Hungarian court jailed four neo-Nazis on Tuesday for killing Roma families in a spree of racist violence in 2008 and 2009 that shocked the country and led to accusations that police had failed to protect an historically persecuted minority.

The gang killed six Roma and wounded several others in carefully planned attacks across the country over 13 months, creating a climate of fear for members of Hungary's largest ethnic minority. Roma, who make up about 7 percent of the population of 10 million, face widespread discrimination and often live in dire poverty.

Three men were jailed for life without parole and a fourth for 13 years, also without parole. The ruling can be appealed.

Judge Laszlo Miszori said the perpetrators saw themselves as vigilantes imposing "an ethnic-type solution" in revenge for crimes committed by Roma.

"To carry out their plans first they bought arms, then began to 'reinstall order', meaning armed attacks in places where Roma had committed crimes against Hungarians," the judge said.

In one of the attacks, several men set fire to a house at the edge of the dusty village of Tatarszentgyorgy, near a forest 30 minutes from Budapest, late at night on February 22, 2009.

When the inhabitants fled the burning building, the attackers shot dead Robert Csorba, a 29-year-old Roma man, and his 4-year-old son Robert Jr. A girl was also seriously wounded. The assailants fled.

Robert's mother Erzsebet Csorba told Reuters on the eve of the verdict that she looked forward to the closing of a chapter but had no faith it would deliver full justice, bring safety or ease tension between Roma and other Hungarians.

"It's just like it was four years ago," she said in Tatarszentgyorgy, seated on a stool below portraits of her slain son and grandson in the house where she lives next door to the charred remains of the building where they were killed.

"It might be harder for us because of all the heartache that made us numb to life, but we can't seem to get out of this racism, this poverty."

Peace of mind has been elusive. Strangers still come through the woods late at night and stalk her house, she said.

FEAR

Human Resources Minister Zoltan Balog, who is responsible for Roma inclusion, said the verdict "strengthens my belief that no perpetrators of racist crimes can escape the law in Hungary, and especially savage murderers pay a worthy penalty for their deeds".

"This is not a question of minority or majority: this is a question of human dignity," he said in a statement.

Police documents showed that the authorities dragged their feet in investigating the Tatarszentgyorgy attack, although the earlier killings had already unleashed fear throughout the Roma community for months.

The last attack in the spree occurred six months later when a young Roma woman was killed in eastern Hungary, after which the perpetrators were finally caught.

Roma have lived in Hungary for centuries and are now scattered mainly in rural areas in the northeast and south of the country.

The collapse of heavy industry after communism in 1989 hit the Roma hard. Unemployment is widespread, generations of Roma have grown up poor and illiterate, and some have resorted to petty crime to make ends meet.

Hostility towards them among many other Hungarians has helped fuel the rise of the far-right Jobbik party, which vilifies the Roma openly and won 17 percent of votes for parliament in 2010, becoming the third biggest party.

Some of that resentment could be felt in Tatarszentgyorgy's convenience store, where a question about the Roma drew knowing stares from shoppers, who complained that Roma lived on welfare, engaged in crime and had more children than they could afford. [In other words, Roma are Europe's version of niggers]

In his ruling, the judge said two of the killers, brothers Arpad and Istvan Kiss, had attended a swearing-in ceremony of a nationalist vigilante group set up set up by Jobbik, the Hungarian Guard, but had decided to embark on their own plans for attacks after concluding the group was ineffectual.

Back in 2009, the funeral of the slain Csorbas, father and son, was seen as an opportunity to encourage understanding between Roma and other Hungarians. Celebrities attended the service, but their presence did little to change attitudes, said Szilvia Varro, an activist who helped organise the funeral.

"We failed to make the case part of our shared history," she said. "Hungary typically suffers from a ghetto-like mentality in this way; there are our dead and their dead, and it's very hard to bridge that divide."

With another parliamentary election due next year, the Roma issue is becoming hot again, said Varro.

Her advocacy group Communication Centre X (XKK) released a series of video clips last month with well-known Hungarian actors reciting excerpts from the trial testimony, describing the killings while blood stains are shown spreading over them.

"The ruling is a good opportunity to reintroduce the issue," Varro said. "We filmed emotionally charged scenes because we wanted Hungarian viewers to feel it could have been their kids."

(Reporting by Marton Dunai; Editing by Peter Graff)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...97508620130806
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Jobbik proposes ad tax to oust commercial TV stations

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The Jobbik party on Wednesday submitted to parliament the draft proposal on taxing advertisements, the deputy head of the radical nationalist opposition party said on Wednesday.

What Jobbik has submitted is in fact legislation drafted by the government in May and published on its website, said Elod Novak.

According to the draft, companies with annual revenue of 1-5 billion forints would pay 1 percent of turnover; 5-10 billion would be charged at 10 percent and more than 10 billion at 20 percent. Publishers, broadcasters and outdoor advertisers with annual revenue of over 1 billion forints (EUR 34m) are to pay a tax on adverts.

Ad industry representatives were to have met government officials to discuss the tax in June, but the Prime Minister’s Office told their association that the bill would not be submitted to parliament before the summer recess, the Hungarian Advertisers Association said on its website earlier. The talks on the tax will continue in the autumn, it said.

Novak noted that Jobbik in 2010 had already initiated the introduction of an ad tax to be levied on multinational companies first and foremost.

“Disciplining the commercial media, the two leading commercial TV companies in particular, is part of the Hungarian nation’s cultural freedom fight,” Jobbik said at the time.

Novak said that the departure of the two TV channels, namely TV2 and RTL Klub, as a result of the introduction of the ad tax would be a “significant achievement,” adding hope that the government seriously considers introducing the tax.

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