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Old September 15th, 2006 #1
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Speaking of gun use . . .

I have a criminal record, I’d assume that I am banned from legally owning a gun for life.



When I was 19 years old I crushed a niggers eye socket with a Saturday Night Special.

Myself and my then 18 year old girlfriend were driving in North St. Louis County. When she yelled out . . . “that nigger just flipped me off!“

The area in North St. Louis County (prior to the incident I am about to share), was a great place to live, work and raise a family. That was before North STL County was turned into a nigger infested jungle. It all started with an area known as Castle Point.

The federal government wanted white neighborhoods to become a haven for niggers. Castle Point, a working class and an enormous neighborhood filled with cookie cutter homes in the suburbs was the first one chosen in St. Louis County. The government started buying up any and all homes that were on the market, they would gain title and simply donate them to niggers. The first few houses bought for this unfair and immoral endeavor were burned to the ground. To prevent this from happening over and over again, the next tribe of niggers to move into their “new” neighborhood was followed and protected by fully armed National Guard members, as well as Army Troops and Police. All in full battle gear with automatic rifle in hand. While relocating the niggers, they were present twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. Many whites who opposed this transformation of their neighborhood were beaten and jailed. There would be no dissent, if they rebelled or fought back in any way, shape or form to this nigger invasion, they had their asses beat. And I mean beat with skulls cracked by heavy handed black jack blows. Helicopters noisily flew overhead each and every night, all night, complete with spot lights that turned night into day. It was difficult to sleep at night because of the noise. My neighborhood had literally become a war zone.

The first wave of invaders, the small tribes of city dwelling resettled niggers were acting the part of a wounded and abused puppy, whining about “why don‘t they love us - why they be bigots, etc.?” Later on, as their numbers increased the whining became threats. When they so much as saw a white walking the street (as long as fully armed members of the government were standing nearby) they would taunt and tease us - yelling out - “f*ck all yall” - dis heer soon be our neighborhoods - yall betta gets out whiles yo can - we gunna f*ck all yalls daughters - stupid bigots - get out . . . etc, etc.“ They could only say things like this because they were protected by gun toting federal thugs. Back then white people had heart, they would gut a nigger or string his ass up in a tree in a heartbeat. There wasn’t any BS about it. Of course, the exception to the norm was when fully armed troops have not only brought in the invaders but, became the invaders protectors as well. This was forcible integration that many may not be aware of, yet it happened, and it happened in many areas throughout the United States.

Prior to the troops, armaments, helicopters etc. coming into the neighborhood, there wasn’t a nigger problem. If it wasn’t for the traitorous troops, there wouldn’t have EVER been a nigger problem either. We would run any and all feral niggers out of the neighborhood whenever we saw one. I remember (during the last days of a white North St. Louis County) the call’ going out many times, people would excitingly scream and yell from their doorways, “a nigger is in the neighborhood!“ We knew exactly what that meant, immediately find out where the children are (especially the young females) and then begin to scour the area for the offending nigger. It was a neighborhood effort, men followed by women who, in turn, may have even been followed by children started hunting down the undomesticated nigger. A bestial and vile being that quiet obviously had wondered out of it’s natural environment. It had come possibly to steal, but more than likely, it came to find a young white female to rape. There really wasn’t any misconceived notions floating around in white peoples heads about the demonic nigger. They more than realized he was more beast than human. It wasn’t that any one particularly liked hunting down a nigger for the sake of the hunt, they we’re simply protecting their property, their neighborhood, their wives and their children. The nigger had strolled into the white man’s domain for one reason and one reason only, no one invited it, no one wanted it there - it was up to no good! Unlike now, back then white people didn’t falsely and foolishly elevate and worship the savage nigger in sport and song. And they sure as hell didn’t lay around watching a nigger on TV reading from written script while spewing out words of pure propaganda. Words that really contained no personal meaning or value in their lives at all. Hey, they didn’t even try to control the nigger, listen modern day whites . . . they simply didn’t want anything whatsoever to do with this vile beast!

Now, when the nigger was located, and most times he was, it wasn’t a very pleasant experience for him. He was beat to the f*cking ground until he wasn’t moving anymore. How any nigger could survive, I don’t know - how many didn’t survive, I would never tell. But, it was a necessary evil that had to be done. White people understood things like that back then, they understood the nigger well, after all, it was this lowly beast that had run them from their once safe homes in the cities. The cities their forefathers had founded and built from the bare earth on up. That’s precisely the reason for the cookie cutter homes located away from the city and out in the suburbs in the first place - to be far removed from the city dwelling cruel, untamed and inhumane nigger beast.

After the government troops, doing the bidding of the Jew through his newly self-serving, lobbied and instigated “integration” laws completed their mission in Castle Point, they left. After the neighborhood was made over 50% nigger and the once safe, clean and white neighborhood was completely destroyed, the true nature of the nigger beast emerged. After the federal troops had left and within two weeks of integrating Castle Point - to a point of no return, a twelve year old white girl went missing. Whites went from street to street, door to door, searching for her. Through constant threats and intimidation hurled at them by niggers, they pleaded with everyone, “has anyone seen this young ‘girl? Please help us find her.”

Thanks to no help from any nigger, the innocent young child was ultimately found. She was found in a recently abandoned basement of a home, tied hand and foot by rope to a steel support beam. She had been brutally gang raped, tortured and literally beat to death. How many nigger bucks had their way with her, we will never know, how many nigger sows who jealously stomped on her to disfigure her pretty and delicate European features, we will never know. How many lowdown, dirty, nasty, foul, cruel and viscous niggers who ignored her pleas and cries to stop hurting” her and let her go home to her mother, we will never know. The National Guard troops never returned to find out. After they dropped the niggers off, their mission was complete. Were any nigger perps ever arrested, tried and convicted for her brutal murder? No.

Even though the whites had lost, it was obvious what they had fought so hard against. I remember the girls body was in such bad shape, her family was not allowed to view it, they were forced to have a closed casket service. Her body laid in that abandoned house for more than a week while no nigger so much as lifted a finger to even anonymously dial “0“ to report to the operator where they could find the body. I’ll remember that for the rest of my life, it’s a black mark on my soul that will forever haunt and torment me. It causes me great discomfort and tears to swell even to this day thinking about it. I was never so close to pure pain, suffering and misery in my life. Not until the day they found that sweet and innocent young white girls body and I witnessed the non-stop and uncontrollable tears flowing down her mother and father‘s cheeks.

That was the end of Castle Point, people couldn’t get out of there fast enough. The days of well kept lawns, back-yard BBQ’s, playing in the woods, walking the trails or jumping in the creek was over. The once clean and safe streets, were no longer clean and more significantly, no longer safe. The days of white children walking, playing and laughing in their streets unmolested - all gone. For nigger infested Castle point anyway.

Now, a few years later, I’m 19 years old, myself and my family moved to an area not to far from Castle Point. Not too far but, not too close either. One day me and my then girlfriend went to a discount store called “Grandpas” near the old Castle Point neighborhood. I needed to buy a muffler for my old Buick. We’re driving through the parking lot when all of a sudden my girlfriend yells out “that nigger just flipped me off!“ I didn’t even see a nigger, I asked her what car, what nigger, where!? She pointed it out and I told her that I was going to lay these’ brass knuckles upside that motherf*cker’s skull (which I always kept under my seat). I got beside the niggers car, next to the driver and motioned for him to stop, when we came to a stop, I noticed there were four niggers in the nigger cruiser, so I told my girlfriend to hand me the gun from the glove compartment, it was a small nosed 45. It was a mean piece of steel and it was fully loaded. I jumped out and yelled WTF is wrong with you GD beasts? Three of the niggers jumped out after I did, only the driver remained in the vehicle, with gun in hand I hit that lowlife motherf*cker as hard as I could right square in the eye socket-jawbone area, I felt and heard the bones crushing, I saw shear terror in his eyes as I delivered another blow. I know what he was thinking, “dey be deff in dat man’s eyes” and he was right, the only thing that saved his life was the year, if this had been just a few years previous, I would have shot every one of these motherf*ckers without a moments hesitation and most certainly without a seconds regret. After hammering this niggers skull with the butt of that Saturday Night Special a few times I turned my attention to the other three who I figured had to be getting near me. I thought I would have to shoot them but, after seeing what happened to their afro pals face they went running back to the now rolling out of control car screaming “he be gots a gun!“ “Dat wite muahfukka shows be gots him a gun!“ I stood and watch as they were trying to get back into the rolling car. The car that was used just a few moments ago to flip my girlfriend off in, now it was surrounded by niggers in disarray, trying to get back inside. A driverless car with a driver that just ‘gots himself all “f*cked-up.” I stood there and watched the niggers as they were trying to get back into the rolling car. It was a rather odd, yet humorous sight, car rolling, one nigger half in - half out, two other niggers yelling at a comatose driver to slow dis’ muahfukka down so wez can get up in der - dis wite muahfukka be crazy! I watched until the niggers car came to a dead stop after it plowed into a parked car, then it dawned on me, sh*t, I could get in trouble for this! I ran the few steps back to my car and booked outta there as fast as I could.

Less than a week later, there was a knock at my parents door, it was the police with an arrest warrant. I was arrested and charged with attempted murder. Penalty . . . up to life imprisonment. We were planning on having a jury trial, figuring that would be the best route to get all the facts out. But, prior to doing that, after my lawyer reviewed all the reports, he figured that wouldn’t have been the best option. Besides the four niggers who would have lied through their teeth while yelling “racism” and explaining how they were “attacked” by a “bigot,“ there was one other witness . . . the one that reported me and my tags to the police to begin with, a white male. Yes, a white man who was sitting in his car simply watching the events unfold. A white man who would have been just as happy watching me get shot or stabbed as he would have watching as I was sentenced to life in prison or even watching my GF being flipped the black bird.

He would have been the prime witness. That was rare in those days, usually a white could depend on another white coming to his aid, especially when fighting niggers. Maybe this low down b*stard wasn’t white? Perhaps, he was a Jew? I don’t know and I will never know. But, whoever it was, my lawyer was more concerned about him than the four lowdown, lying, white hating niggers. He told me to plead guilty and forgo the jury trial. Which is what I ultimately did.

I plead guilty to a reduced charged of simple assault and was sentenced to twelve months in the county jail. One solid year, without benefit of good time or time served being used to my credit. I did close to a year in that hellhole prior to making bond. Bond was set at $30,000 - which back then was a huge sum of federal reserve notes, I mean most houses didn‘t even cost that much. I ended up doing close to two years. I did more time than if I had been sentenced to five years. A felon receiving a “nickel” was eligible for parole in 7-9 months. Of course I didn’t realize that until after I plead and was sentenced, but still, it was a whole lot better than a life sentence. I think a life sentence was 14 years at that time, before becoming eligible for parole.

Castle Point today is a nasty, nasty, nasty shanty town. Niggers made damn sure that area was only fit for a nigger and, only a nigger. Not only is it a no-go area for whites, it’s a dirty, vile area filled with filth, drug dealing, shootings, rapes and murders. I drive through that area maybe every 3-5 years, It hurts me to drive through it, but after I do I have a totally new prospective on life. At first I feel anger, I have feelings of wanting to take back that neighborhood and give it to the rightful inhabitants and make it like it use to be. If I had my way about it I would, I would take it back. First I would decontaminate it by fire. I would burn it to the ground with the invaders still in it and start fresh and new again, fresh, bright, safe and clean, just like it use to be. Of course that will never happen, yet I can’t hide my feelings of what I went through in that neighborhood. When I get home that evening I hug my wife and our children. It’s a sobering effect and most certainly makes one feel lucky they escaped and survived such a nightmare. Of course there are good memories too, the memories prior to the nigger and National Guard invasion. No telling how many whites take a reminiscing ride through t he old ‘hood” from time to time.

Something I can’t help but notice during these infrequent “tours” through Castle Point, and that is, there are no wooded areas and no trails any more. I guess the National Guard did return, at least one time anyway, they had to clear away any area where the nigger could conceal his crimes. One other thing I noticed, there are no red birds, no blue birds, no robins, squirrels or rabbits. I guess at times, animals are smarter than we give them credit for, they abandoned Castle Point too. Like I stated, that GD place is only fit for a nigger. A lowdown, nasty and extremely repulsive nigger beast.

The incident with the four niggers is the only time I had ever been in jail. Because of it, to this day, I won’t carry a fire arm, a “felon” to be caught with a gun is a federal offense that carries a minimum mandatory five year sentence. Of course five years in a federal joint is . . five years. Federal parole was abolished years ago. I would be foolish to reveal if I ever carry a gun or if I even own one. All I will say is - it’s better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six . . .

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A few more notes about North St. Louis County:

Not long after my imprisonment and the twelve year old girls murder not only had Castle Point been invaded by niggers, most of North STL County was in the process of replacing the white faces with those of barbaric third world beast of the field jungle dwelling niggers.

The Kerry sisters were the next to die by the newly relocated niggers. Two white sisters frolicking on the old Chain of Rocks Bridge with a visiting male cousin. The Chain of Rocks Bridge spans the Mississippi River into Illinois. It was replaced by the newly built Hwy. 270 bridge which crosses from North St. Louis County Missouri into the state of Illinois. The Chain of Rocks Bridge was almost like a landmark, so it wasn’t torn down. It remains intact to this day. The roads leading to and from it from either side were destroyed but the bridge remains. There were plans to turn the bridge into a tourist attraction. There was talk of even installing a roof and covering it. The bridge would most certainly make for a romantic evening for a loving couple or a exciting day activity for children, all while peering down at the ‘Mighty Mississippi River. But, that will never be. That area in North St. Louis County was changing, it was changing fast too. It was becoming an extremely dangerous area filled with lowdown, destructive nigger beasts.

As mentioned, the Kerry sisters visited that bridge, they took their visiting cousin to see it, to walk across it, to glare down at the flowing waters. While they were enjoying the view high above the great and powerful river, unbeknownst to them, niggers were enjoying a view too. A view of two innocent young white females. The two nigger beasts caught up with them in the middle of the bridge. They beat the sh*t out of all three of them and then raped the two girls. After they were done, they forced all three to jump. Both girls drowned, they found one of the girls bodies a week or so later - the other one . . . has never been found. When I say ‘never” been found, I mean exactly what I am saying, n-e-v-e-r been found.

The male cousin made his way back to shore. He told the authorities what happened and soon, two nigger beasts were in custody. They blamed it on the cousin, claiming it was he, who made the girls jump from the bridge. So, why did the cousin jump from the bridge also? Well of course he was mentally sick and was afraid he’d go to a mental hospital for the rest of his life for what he had done. So, he was attempting suicide. Jewish dominated local news media supported this theory and reported it as such. Did the ‘mentally ill’ white cousin do it they pondered? Or, did two colored boys with good hearts and bright futures do it? I think this is when I really started becoming aware of media propaganda. I mean two niggers had just cold heartedly forced three innocent teenagers to jump into the fast moving, murky, cold and muddy waters of the Mississippi River and I am reading and watching news reports on how the cousin might have done it.

To make matters worse they refused to dwell on the two murdered girls lives, vying instead to do an in-depth look into the life history of the two nigger beasts. They were rising sports stars, had really great futures in front of them, each one was even thinking about going back to school, maybe even to church etc., etc. But, except for the battle against the mind, a battle in which only weak minded people lose, it really didn’t matter what the Jewish presses punched out. No matter what the Jewish ruled news media reported, the police and prosecutors would have none of it, and the two barbaric niggers with combined IQ’s equaling less than either Kerry sister alone, was convicted and sentenced to death. Matter of fact, those two goons are sitting on death row in Potosi, Missouri as I type this. Will they ever be strapped to a chair? Your guess is as good as mine. All I know is death by lethal injection is too good for these b*stards.

I could go on and on about the destruction of North St. Louis County but, I won’t. Yet I must show respect via remembrance to two more white victims of the Jewish sent federal thugs . . . The Deckers.

Mr. & Mrs. Decker, two white people out Christmas shopping for their two young children. Accosted in the parking lot of “Grandpas” discount store (the same store I had my incident at - Chambers Rd. and Hwy. 367 - I‘ll never forget that f*cking place) by at least three (maybe four - I can’t remember) pure nigger beasts. They just completed their shopping trip and were returning to their vehicle with the gifts when they were set upon by at least three heartless, remorseless and soulless two legged beasts. You’d think stealing gifts would have been enough, after all we’re told they “randomly” rape, rob, beat and murder white people for financial gain but, stealing children’s gifts evidently wasn’t enough in this case. Matter of fact, not only was robbery not enough, carjacking, kidnapping, and rape wasn’t either. Only a savage and sadistic murder was good enough this night.

Why does a growing number of white people not only despise niggers but, hate them with a passion? I mean the purest of unadulterated 100% true f*cking hatred! I’m going to tell you why.

After they carjacked and kidnapped these two white people from the parking lot, they couldn’t control themselves. The car was barely in motion when they started fighting over who’s d*ck Mrs. Decker was going to suck first. At this point, Mr. Decker did nothing. He didn’t fight back until the winner was chosen and the first d*ck attempted to pierce Mrs. Deckers lips, then he fought. He fought to defend his wife’s honor. His fight didn’t last long, nor did his life. His struggles ended when a bullet was fired point blank into his head, killing him instantly. After the cold-blooded murder, the niggers took Mrs. Decker to a field where they beat and raped her. With her bloodied and dead husband’s body still yet warm in the backseat, a bullet lodged in his skull, she was repeatedly raped and beaten - for hours.

After she sensed that they were done with her, she pleaded for them to let her live. Testimony in court records show she pleaded and begged for her life and with her entire being. She tried her best to bring out even a shred of sympathy or at minimum empathy from within these dark souls. She searched for even a small, tiny, minuet scrap of kindness, caring, compassion in these beasts. Unfortunately, they never possessed any, will never possess any and furthermore, are incapable of possessing any. She pleaded her case like only the finest of lawyers could. Please let me live, my children have already lost their father, please, please don’t cause them to lose their mother too. Please, you can have our car, the gifts to our children, you can even have all our money, please, just let those babies have a mommy . . . F*ck yo b*tch - pop pop! Her life ended in that farmers field that night. Along with her husband’s, along with their children’s - snuffed out by beasts too lowly to even be considered as animal, beast that only the devils in hell can compare.

If there is indeed a God, a future kingdom come - please place these souls in a higher position than mine. Even if my very own soul were to be placed into Hades and burned for ever and ever, if there is indeed an all powerful God, avenge these souls that have suffered terribly and that now cry out for revenge.

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After castle Point we fled to another county, when I grew up and had a family - I took them even further away from the always on the prowl nigger beast. Unfortunately, this entire country is turning into one gigantic Castle Point - soon there will be no place in which to run and hide. Soon there will be nothing left to do except stand up like a man and fight, or watch as your sons are murdered in the streets and watch as your wife and daughters are forced to suck nigger d*ck prior to being stomped or shot to death.

Every word written above is the truth. There are no lies or even half truths. Although I didn’t research any of it, I relied solely on memory. Even though it all happened many years ago, I’m sure there is something to be found in a search engine.

Be careful white folks, the world can be and often is - A dangerous place for whites . . .


One of the Kerry sisters killers was recently executed - read it HERE
 
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Best to move to an area where you need not carry a gun. If you are looking for legal advice, hire a lawyer. If you have money, a lawyer might know of something that can be done, probably not but some lawyers offer free consultations. Look here for a good one. Many lawyers are more than willing to take your money. I wouldn't pursue without a real good chance of a positive outcome.
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If you are considered a so-called "convicted felon", keep in mind that under federal law, and under the law of some States, that antique and muzzleloading guns (even modern reproductions) aren't considered firearms, and are subject to no controls other than restrictions on carrying. Many States, including Georgia (where I live) do consider antiques to be firearms. Other States, like Florida, do not.

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Here's a gun that you could buy with no background check, and presumably own, in certain States, even if you are a "convicted felon":

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Richardson Boot Pistols $49.95 ( 2 for $89.90) ( 5 for $199.75)

No FFL Required!

S.O.G. has come up with a limited run of an authentic replica of original 19th century screw-barrel boot pistols made in Europe and the United States. This model was extremely popular in those times as a backup weapon carried in the belt or boot. These pistols were used by people of all walks of life, from English aristocrats while horseback riding, to saloon ruffians, who would just as often whip a man with it for cheating at cards, as he would use it to defend his life. These pistols were also popular with sailors for close quarter deck fighting. The pistol pictured on the right is an original that has a value of over $1000.00, in excellent condition. Original specimens in this condition are extremely rare to find. Now, you can own the same pistol for a fraction of that price.

The Richardson boot pistol is a .36 caliber, smooth bore, percussion pistol. The barrel and frame are all-steel construction, with brass accents on the gripcap, frame, trigger guard, and barrel ferrel. Uses standard black powder or Pyrodex and #11 caps. A great black powder plinker!

Dealers,...Guaranteed to make you a profit. Suggested retail price is $99.95,...But sell’em for whatever you want.
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And where exactly might that be in this stinking ship of the Kwa'????
 
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And where exactly might that be in this stinking ship of the Kwa'????
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It's not only guns that conviced felons can't be around -- it's anything that uses gunpower.
 
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It's not only guns that conviced felons can't be around -- it's anything that uses gunpower.
Yeah, that's why you should seek legal council from a real lawyer. Don't assume or you could find yourself in the Amerigulag.
 
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Yeah, that's why you should seek legal council from a real lawyer. Don't assume or you could find yourself in the Amerigulag.
All I know is that's what the courts told me, lol.

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Legal Firearms For Prohibited Persons
by Mike Crooker

© 1998 by Mike Crooker

Unknown to most persons, except lawyers and those ATF victims incarcerated in federal prisons, it is a federal crime for the following nine categories of persons to possess firearms: persons who have been convicted of a crime potentially punishable by more than a year (a bad check conviction 40 years ago can suffice), fugitives, users of drugs or marijuana, mental defectives, illegal aliens, dishonorable dischargees, renouncers of citizenship, those subject to domestic restraining orders, and those convicted of misdemeanor domestic crimes of violence (threatening your wife 20 years ago can be enough). Title 18, U.S. Code, Sections 922(g) and 924(e) mandate a penalty of up to 10 years, and in the case of persons previously convicted three or more times of drug crimes and certain others, a mandatory 15 years to life with no parole. (Someone 50 years old convicted at age 19 of, say, three pot sales, thereafter becoming a model citizen and caught with a gun hunting ducks 30 year later is an Armed Career Criminal subject to the enhanced 15 years to life.) Any person purchasing a modern handgun, rifle or shotgun from a retailer must sign an ATF Form 4473 swearing that he is not in one of these categories. Lying constitutes yet another federal crime.

There are several tens of millions of Americans that fit one of the above prohibited categories. There are also over 10,000 such persons in federal prison for illegal gun possession, including over 2,000 with the enhanced 15-life penalty. Horror stories abound and I can think of two published decisions off the top of my head in which people were sentenced to 15+ years: a duck hunter caught in hip waders with duck decoys and a shotgun and a man caught with a Model 1908 Colt .25 caliber automatic pistol with no ammo, no clip, no grips, and a slide rusted closed.


Antique Firearm Exception
Federal law exempts antique firearms from all gun controls. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns made prior to 1899 as well as all muzzleloaders made anytime, and replicas of pre-1899 cartridge firing guns made anytime, provided that such replica uses cartridges "not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade." (Note: Cartridge firing machine guns and short-barreled shotguns are still illegal regardless of when made, under Section 5861 of the IRS Code, Title 26, U.S. Code.)


Muzzleloaders

Muzzleloaders (so-called black powder guns loaded from the end where the bullet exits) are legal, whether original or replica, regardless of the date of manufacture. You can buy them by mail order. The most practical to own for self-defense are the so-called cap and ball revolvers originally made between 1840 and 1870 and used by Wyatt Earp and other gunslingers of the West. Numerous companies make and sell replicas of these six-shooters. Many can be had for $100 or slightly less. A good choice would be the .44 caliber Model 1860 Army. To use them you need powder, lead balls, wads, and percussion caps, all readily available in gun shops and sporting goods stores.


Cartridge Firing Guns

Between 1858 and 1898 millions of cartridge firing guns were made by Smith & Wesson, Colt, Iver Johnson, Remington and numerous others in such calibers as .22, .32, .38, .44, .45 and many dozens of others. Believe it or not, these original guns (totally exempt from federal gun controls) are so abundant that they can be had for $150 or less at any of the dozens of gun shows held in this country from coast to coast on any given weekend. At nearly any gun show you can pick up a very workable .32 or .38 S & W revolver, a 12-gauge double barrel shotgun, a 7mm German Mauser bolt action military rifle, and many others for less than $150, all made prior to 1899 and legal for anyone to possess.


Replicas of Cartridge Guns

This third antique category will not be dealt with in this article simply because this author does not know of any modern made replicas of pre-1899 cartridge firing guns that use ammunition cartridges not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. ATF claims that they have no list of guns in this category and any request for antiquity classifications of such will be dealt with on a case by case basis.


Ascertaining Antique Status

Be certain that what you acquire is an exempt antique. Shady gun show vendors will sell you what they swear is an antique shotgun and you get home only to discover a 1902 patent date stamped into it which could subject you to a big headache should you be caught with it and ATFers find out. This may take research. A good book to have is Flayderman’s Guide to Antique American Firearms and Their Values. In its Smith and Wesson section for example, it gives serial number runs along with manufacture dates. Thus, for example, a .32 S & W Double Action First Model Revolver was made in 1880 and had serial numbers 1 to 30; Second Model, 1880-1882 and serial numbers 31-22172; Third Model, 1882-1883 and serial numbers 22173 to 43405. Therefore any Smith and Wesson .32 D.A. Revolver with a serial number of 43405 or below is a legal antique as it was made between 1880 and 1883. Another example would be the Model 1898 Krag U.S. Military .30 caliber bolt action magazine rifle made between 1898 and 1903, serial numbers 110000 to 480000. According to Flayderman’s, below serial number 152670 "is considered antique under Federal Firearms law." Some guns have the manufacture year stamped into the frames (e.g., Model 1895 Mauser 7mm Military bolt action magazine rifles). Others have no serial numbers at all. These would take further research. Flayderman’s Guide (softcover) is available in most gun shops or from DBI Books, Inc., 4092 Commercial Avenue, Northbrook, IL 60062. One could always put down a $20 deposit to hold a gun, then write to the ATF’s Firearms Technology Branch, 650 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20226, asking for a classification decision and giving a complete description. If it comes back antique, then buy it; if not, don’t. If you don’t want ATF knowing your business, you could, for a fee, get an antiquity decision from any number of antique firearms experts. Smith & Wesson, 2100 Roosevelt Avenue, Springfield, MA 01102 will, for $20, give you a letter stating the exact shipping date of any antique firearm made by them, if you provide a description and serial number.

Finally, if you buy a cartridge-firing antique by mail order, you should feel secure that it really is a pre-1899 gun. Mail-order gun dealers are closely watched and if one were selling modern guns to individuals by mail, the ATF would quickly shut them down and prosecute them (not so with fly-by-night gun show vendors). Some sources for mail-order antique guns are:

Dennis Fulmer Antique Firearms
PO Box 226
Detroit Lakes, MN 56502


N. Flayderman and Company
PO Box 2397
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33303


Dale C. Anderson
4 West Confederate Avenue
Gettysburg, PA 17325.

Ammunition For Cartridge Firing Antique Guns

This can be a problem. The same statute that forbids prohibited persons to possess modern guns also prohibits the possession of ammunition for them (a guy in New England just got 20 years for possession of a single 9mm cartridge). The statute and ATF’s implementing regulation at Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 178.11 defines ammunition as "ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm other than an antique firearm." For muzzleloaders this is not a problem. That paraphernalia is without question designed for use in none other than antiques, as ATF concedes. But when it comes to ammunition cartridges, even obsolete ones, ATF legal counsel takes the absurd position that "designed for use" really means suitable for use or "useable" in a post-1898 gun subject to ATF controls. This has never been upheld in any published court decision, however. Thus, for example, ATF has administratively ruled that .50 caliber Remington Army centerfire cartridges designed for use in antique Remington Rolling Block pistols is modern ammunition because it is shootable in currently made Sharps replica rifles chambered for the .50-70 U.S. Military rifle cartridge. Of course that position is ridiculous, for pistol cartridges are not "designed for use" in rifles chambered for something different. ATF ruled similarly as to .32 S&W and .38 S&W black-powder-loaded centerfire cartridges. Such rulings have not been tested in court, however, and again, such custom made black-powder cartridges are obviously designed for use in antiques only. Modern revolvers made since 1899 chambering these do not use obsolete black powder, hence this writer concludes that they do not constitute ammunition under the federal law definition.

With respect to current factory-made standard rounds loaded with modern smokeless powder, such as .22 rimfire, .32 S&W and .38 S&W centerfire, 7mm Mauser, 12 gauge shotgun, 30-40 Krag, etc., all of which are designed to be used in both pre- and post-1898 guns of those calibers, ATF is probably correct. Take standard 30-40 Krag centerfire ammunition, for example. Currently manufactured by the big ammo makers, it is designed for use in all 30-40 Krag rifles, not just those that are antiques, but also those made between 1899 and 1903.

Obsolete rounds are a different story. There are hundreds of different ones. Cartridges of the World (available in soft cover from DBI Books, at the previously given address) lists, describes, and gives the history of most of them. This author is currently seeking ATF classification as antique ammunition of about 100 of them. Thus far ATF concedes that prohibited persons may possess .58 U.S. Musket centerfire, .58 Carbine centerfire, and .43 Egyptian-Remington centerfire because they have been unable in their extensive research to find any post-1898 guns or replicas that chamber them. (The latter is used in Remington Rolling Block rifles available for $175-200 from Sarco, 323 Union Street, Stirling, NJ 07980; .43 ammo custom-made is available from Buffalo Arms Company, 123 South Third Avenue, Sandpoint, ID 83864; other custom makers of obsolete ammunition are Second Amendment Corporation, PO Box 224, Cortaro, AZ 85652 and Tom’s Brass and Bullet, PO Box 483, Lancaster, CA 93584.) Just to get ATF to concede in writing to these took a lawsuit as to the .43 Egyptian-Remington and the threat of a lawsuit as to the other two. Regarding the rest of the obsolete calibers, it remains to be seen whether the courts will publish a decision upholding ATF’s absurd "usability" interpretation of the phrase "designed for use." It seems doubtful that a federal criminal trial jury would.


A Route Around The Ammunition Problem

Although not mentioned earlier to avoid confusing the reader, an essential proof element of the federal crime of unlawful possession of firearms or ammunition by prohibited persons is the interstate commerce requirement. It must be shown that the possession was "in or affecting commerce." This could be possession during an interstate road trip or on a common carrier such as a train, plane or bus. But 99%% of the time ATF proves this element by showing that the gun or ammunition moved interstate after its manufacture. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld this flimsy concept and if ATF can show that a modern gun was made by Colt Industries in Connecticut and was shipped thereafter to a dealer in Nebraska many years ago, and you get caught with it in 1998 in Nebraska or any state other than Connecticut, then the commerce element has been proven. (The commerce clause is derived from the U.S. Constitution which itself authorizes the feds to prosecute only four crimes. The clause allows Congress to "regulate commerce between several states and Indian territories." Broadly construed by a corrupt Congress and U.S. court system, this has enabled them to shove 10,000 federal criminal laws down our throats and expand the four federal crimes to include everything from pot possession to illegal campfires.)

Thus, one way to legally circumvent federal gun law is to possess ammunition (or modern firearms for that matter) that have never moved interstate. For those who live in the same states as the big ammo makers, this is not a problem (the big ammo makers are Winchester-Olin, Remington-Peters, Federal, Hansen, CCI, etc.). For those that don’t, there are still solutions. One is to order up from ATF’s Disclosure Branch a computer list of all federally licensed ammunition manufacturers in your state ($25.00). Commercial reloaders must be licensed and are on the list of manufacturers. Acquire your ammunition from such an in-state source through an intermediary and be sure to never let it move in interstate commerce.

Another way is to make your own ammunition. There are books on this subject such as Duncan Long’s Homemade Ammo and Ronald Brown’s Homemade Guns and Homemade Ammo. Homemade ammo that has never moved interstate does not violate federal law (unless possessed on a common carrier or during an interstate road trip). Here’s how you could make your own 12-gauge shotgun shells. According to ATF Publication P 5300.4 the following are excluded from the definition of ammunition or components: shotgun hulls (casings) without primers, lead shot, wads, black powder, and blanks. Take the blanks, disassemble them to get the primers, install the primers into the primerless shotgun hulls, load with black powder, wad, shot, and seal the top with glue. Presto. You’ve just made your own shotgun shells from objects that ATF publications say aren’t even ammunition components. Just don’t move the finished product interstate or the ATF fanatics will try to claim that you "designed them for use" in modern firearms even though you made them for and are using them in a gun show-bought antique shotgun.

State Law

Beware of and research your own state’s law. Many states use the federal definition verbatim and exclude antiques. Many do not, and count even BB guns and marine distress flares as firearms. A call to your state’s Attorney General’s office or local gun rights organization should clarify the situation. Don’t call the police station. They’ll lie and claim that just about any weapon is illegal to have.

Conclusion

This article has dealt with federal law and federal gun control. Research your own state and local law before taking any action. Under federal law you can have any cartridge gun made before 1899 except machine guns or sawed off shotguns. The issue of ammunition for the cartridge guns is a stickier problem and is outlined above. Remember, to violate federal law it must be a firearm or ammunition as defined in Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921 and Title 27 Code of Federal Regulations, Section 178.11, and must have moved in interstate commerce. If it’s not a firearm, (i.e., is an excluded antique) or if it was homemade or came from an in-state source and never moved interstate, then you can confidently tell the ATF baby burners to go fly a kite and to go back to planning more Waco and Ruby Ridge style massacres. Good luck. l
 
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