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Old October 18th, 2006 #1
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Pretty funny-- in a sick sort of way-- how Lubavitcher kike Chertoff
preaches to us about the dangers of online terrorism, Fusion Center needs etc., even as the official US terrorist list says The Kahane Movement website IS Kach!
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...hane_Chai.html
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Tuesday, October 17, 2006 · Last updated 12:13 p.m. PT
Court rules against Israeli extremists
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government had sufficient basis to designate an Israeli extremist group a foreign terrorist organization, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.

The decision also applied to Kach and Kahane.org,

(So why is their website still up

http://kahane.org/
if the USA, EU, and IZ all say they are terrorists? One standard for Jews; another standard for everybody else! -Chain) two entities the appeals court said were alias organizations to Kahane Chai.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahane_Chai
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...it split into two movements, Kach and Kahane Chai (Kahana Hai: "Kahane Lives"). The US State Department, Israeli Government, and European Union all consider these groups as terrorist organizations. This article deals with all of these groups.

Following the stopping of Kach and Kahane Chai the movements officially disbanded. The leadership of the former Kahane Chai formed an advocacy group known as The Kahane Movement. The group's activities consist mainly of maintaining the "Official Kahane Website".
The Kahane Movement is listed on the United States' list of terrorist organizations as an alias for "Kach"
(Scroll down to see #20 on US Dept State website)
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm
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Kahane Chai (Kach)
though the group denies this.
Are Lubavitcher supremacist religious beliefs any different than Kach/Kahane Movement's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._St..._Organizations
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Legal Criteria for Designation
(Reflecting Amendments to Section 219 of the INA in the USA PATRIOT Act of 2001)

It must be a foreign organization.
The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.
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Legal Ramifications of Designation
It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b) as "currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel, transportation, and other physical assets, except medicine or religious materials.)
Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).
Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

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Old October 18th, 2006 #2
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Those Kahannists are listed as terrorists in Canada. That says alot, Israeli-Canadians usually stick together, they [Kahanists] must be real off-the-wall-nut cases.

One of them [from Montreal] was in some shit in Israel a little while ago, I remember reading they were considered terrorists.

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Old October 18th, 2006 #3
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I've Skype IMed Stan to ask him to ping this site to find out with certainty where it is. In any case, if Canada, USA, EU and Israel all have agreed to declare it a terrorist org, and if the USA can traipse all over the world shutting down terrorism, then why is this terrorist website still humming along? I think we know the answer.
http://kahane.org/

I could look up how to ping etc. (haven't done it in years), but if some of our computer experts will find out the location, I'd appreciate it.
 
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Chain, please clear your PM box.
 
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Hey feds, why is this terrorist website still up since the appeals courts have ruled this an official US-listed terrorist org?
http://kahane.org/

Can somebody ping this site and tell me where it is?
 
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It appears to be hosted in Annandale, Virginia.
 
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It appears to be hosted in Annandale, Virginia.
Thank You, Alexander. Knowing that information, I was able to find this and find out that a "Christian Zionist", Gary Wardell likely hosts the Kahane Movement website. Thus, the Christians are complicit terrorists. I have tipped the FBI:

[quote]While the FBI continues to encourage the public to submit information regarding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, this form may also be used to report any suspected criminal activity to the FBI.

https://tips.fbi.gov/
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Sir or Ms.

A federal court is said to have ruled by confirmation in mid-October 2006 that Kahane.org is a United States officially terror-listed organization. I notice that the kahane.org website is still up, apparently aided and abetted in their terrorist activities by their host server owned by Gary Wardell of Annandale, Virginia and possibly also by the church of David Wilkerson, Times Square Church, Brooklyn, N.Y. .

I send along this information in the hope that you can stop these terrorists and make America more safe. President Bush has told mr many times that we are in a War On Terrorism.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=447097#post447097
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 · Last updated 12:13 p.m. PT
Court rules against Israeli extremists
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government had sufficient basis to designate an Israeli extremist group a foreign terrorist organization, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.

The decision also applied to Kach and Kahane.org
Gee, I wonder why JOGZOG doesn't prosecute Gary Wardell of David Wildkerson's loony Christian church for aiding and abetting the Terrorist-listed and federal court decreed Kahane Movement.
http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/languages.html
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... While they both perceive the “Jewish lobby” as the gateway to the U.S. political establishment, it is also equally likely that they may both be tied to imperialism’s agenda through a Zionist leash given the real imbalance in power. United In Terror? Three years ago, it was noted that several Hindutva groups in the U.S. had begun to cooperate closely with extremist pro-Israel Zionist organizations. At that time, the most significant instance of this cooperation was the warm ties developing between New York based Rohit Vyasmaan’s HinduUnity.org, a front for Bajrang Dal in the U.S., and Kahane.org.4Apparently, when Vyasmaan’s HinduUnity.org website was taken down after complaints to the service provider, he contacted the Kahane group’s director Michael Guzofsky who was then in Israel. Guzofsky introduced Vyasmaan to his friend Gary Wardell5, a businessman in Annandale Virginia, who now hosts both websites6. Wardell works closely with a Christian Zionist organization affiliated to David 3'Indo-US economic cooperation very positive; military cooperation very high' January 13, 2004 (http://www.indiaonestop.com/face2face/sanjaypuri.htm). 4"Two Unlikely Allies Come Together in Hatred of Muslims" New York Times, June 2, 2001 5Wardell is a member of a Christian Zionist movement The Times Square Church, of David Wilkerson, a : http://www.gesher.co.il/eng/index.php?pg=gd-5.incAlso: “Please notify Gary Wardell <gwardell @ Yeshua.cc> immediately, if you feel a guestbook entry does not glorify God and needs to be deleted. He's online almost all day and can usually quickly jump in to do editing.” http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/teamlead.htmlGuidelines for Foreign Teams - Times Square Church Pulpit Series. 6United in Hatred, Aseem Chhabra, Rediff US Special, July 24, 2001 http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/jul/24usspec.htmZionism and Hindutva in U.S. Page 2 of 10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Wilkerson’s Times Square Church.
http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/languages.html

Wilkerson in a recent interview on a Christian Zionist website wordofmessiah.org: “The Bible tells us very clearly in Zechariah 12 that God will destroy those who come against Jerusalem,” Wilkerson said. “If George W. Bush pressures Israel to give even one inch of Jerusalem to the Arabs, God will punish him for it.”7Further research on these ties reveal some interesting details. The server with I.P. address 67.153.104.163,8which hosts HinduUnity.org, HinduUnity.com, and HinduUnity.net, also hosts BajrangDal.org, BajrangDal.com, and BajrangDal.net! Among the extremist Zionist websites hosted on this IP address are Kahane.org, www.jdl-ny.org, New York chapter of the Kahane’ist ‘Jewish Defense League.’ Meir Kahane, who was killed in 1990, is described even by the Zionist Anti Defamation League as an extremist who “consistently preached a radical form of Jewish nationalism which reflected racism, violence and political extremism”9In December 2001, the chairman and a top official of the JDL were charged with “plotting to blow up a Los Angeles area mosque and an office of United States Congressman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).”10The domain name that the above IP address refers to ends with .il which is the domain suffix for Israel; however this does not mean the physical machine is in Israel; it is thought to be in the U.S11. Other websites hosted on the same IP address include www.Joinidf.org (recruiting for the Israeli Defense forces), www.Jewishlegion.net, which redirects to defendisrael.net, a site that shows an image of a subdued Arab man being bitten by a police dog, and prides itself in utilizing trained 7American Pastor David Wilkerson speaks out in interview with Israel Today magazine, Word of Messiah Ministrieshttp://wordofmessiah.org/david_wilkerson.htm8An IP Address refers to a unique number of the form x.x.x.x which identifies a computer on the internet. Two machines cannot have the same IP address, and web servers have IP addresses that do not change dynamically, as computers that dial-up to access the web do. 9http://www.adl.org/extremism/jdl_chron.asp10http://www.aaiusa.org/jdl.htmquoting Los Angeles Times, 12/13/0111Whois query on networksolutions.comZionism and Hindutva in U.S. Page 3 of 10
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police dogs to “join in the struggle to defend Jews in Israel against Terror attacks.”12The website ‘nahalharedi.org’ boasts on its frontpage: “Orthodox Jews around the world can now join the IDF for different spans of time and help defend Israel. Various programs are availbale.(sic)” There are several other websites on this IP address that reflect the extremist Zionism of Kahane’s group, and a majority of the websites hosted have to do with Israel, Zionism, Kabbalah and the IDF.
 
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Thank You, Alexander. Knowing that information, I was able to find this and find out that a "Christian Zionist", Gary Wardell likely hosts the Kahane Movement website.
He does indeed host it, but not from Virginia. His company is in VA,
but the servers appear to be in izzy, according to traceroute.

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Anti-Muslim Groups Unite Through Internet
By Dean E. Murphy, New York times, 2 June 2001

Web site run by militant Hindus in Queens and Long Island was recently
shut down by its service provider because of complaints that it
advocated hatred and violence toward Muslims. But a few days later, the
site was back on the Internet. The unlikely rescuers were some radical
Jews in Brooklyn who are under investigation for possible ties to
anti-Arab terrorist organizations in Israel.


The unusual alliance brings together two extreme religious philosophies
from different parts of the world that, at first glance, have little in
common. But living elbow-to-elbow in the ethnic mix of New York, the
small groups of Hindus and Jews have discovered that sharing a distant
enemy is sufficient basis for friendship.


So tight is their anti-Muslim bond that some of the Hindus marched
alongside the Jews in the annual Salute to Israel Parade on Fifth
Avenue last month. Yesterday, several of the Jews joined a protest
outside theUnited Nations against the treatment of Hindus in
Afghanistan by the Taliban regime.


"We are fighting the same war," said Rohit Vyasmaan, who helps run the
Hindu Web site, HinduUnity.org, from his home in Flushing, Queens.
"Whether you call them Palestinians, Afghans or Pakistanis, the root of
the problem for Hindus and Jews is Islam."


The budding Hindu-Jewish relationship presents a view that counters a
popular perception of New York City not as an open door to
immigrantsseeking a better life, but as a political way station, where
some people come or stay not to make money but to engage in politics
from afar.


For some of the Jews in Brooklyn and the Hindus in Queens and Long
Island, their time in the United States is temporary, made necessary
only because of the threat of Islam in South Asia and the Middle East.
Ultimately, members of both groups said, they must leave New York to
confront the enemy face-to-face.


"I would love to move back to India provided the situation improves
there," Mr. Vyasmaan said. "We have made a promise to do so."


Mr. Vyasmaan, who is 30 and came to New York from New Delhi when he was
13, said matter-of-factly that he and many others expect to die in the
battle for Hindu supremacy. Nonetheless, he is protective of the
identities of some of HinduUnity.org's biggest financial backers.


Some of them have been implicated in Hindu nationalist acts in India
and are only in the United States biding their time, he said. One of
the site's major supporters on Long Island was involved in destroying
an ancient mosque at Ayodhya in northern India in 1992, Mr. Vyasmaan
said. The mosque was built on a site that is also holy to Hindus. The
incident led to widespread rioting between Hindus and Muslims in
India, and it isstill profoundly divisive.


"Now they won't let us build a temple at the site of the mosque," Mr.
Vyasmaan said. "So there is more controversy. He plans to go back."


HinduUnity.org advertises itself as the official site of Bajrang Dal, a
fundamentalist Hindu movement in India that has chapters throughout
that country and has frequently clashed with Muslims and was among the
groups blamed for the 1992 attack. The Web site also goes by the name
Soldiers of Hindutva, a term that refers to the primacy of Hindu
religion and culture. Mr. Vyasmaan said the Web site has 500 people
affiliated with it.


The Jews in Brooklyn, meanwhile, are followers of Rabbi Meir David
Kahane, the assassinated Israeli politician whose teachings advocated
the expulsion from Israel of all Arabs, most of whom are Muslim.


Their headquarters in Brooklyn was raided in January by the F.B.I. as
part of a federal investigation into their association with two Kahane
political parties that were banned in Israel and designated as
terrorist organizations by the State Department. The designations
followed a series of violent attacks on Palestinians, including the
killing in 1994 of 29 Muslims in the West Bank by Baruch Goldstein, a
Kahane adherent who was born in Brooklyn.


Central to the Kahane message is that all Jews belong in Israel, making
any Jew in the United States a temporary resident. Many of the group's
biggest supporters shuttle back and forth between Israel and New York,
keeping one foot in each country.


Rabbi Kahane was Brooklyn-born, as were many of his supporters, and was
shot to death at a Manhattan hotel in 1990. His son, Binyamin, who took
up his father's teachings, also carried an American passport but spent
most of his time in Israel. He was killed with his wife when their car
was ambushed in the West Bank in December.


During his last visit to New York, two weeks before his death, Binyamin
Kahane reminded a gathering of several hundred supporters in Brooklyn
of their obligation to settle in Israel.


The Brooklyn group runs a Web site, Kahane.org, that aims to keep the
Kahane movement alive despite the political crackdown in Israel and the
terrorist designations in the United States. The site's manager,
Michael Guzofsky, said the Jewish-Hindu relationship in New York is a
practical one that reflects a common suffering at the hands of Muslims.
The alliance is born from adversity, he said, and transcends the
differences in their religious traditions, which, he acknowledged, the
two groups have never addressed in detail.


"I definitely understand their pain even if I don't know much about
their faith," Mr. Guzofsky said of the Hindu fundamentalists. "Their
Web site isa little more militant than ours, but an eye for an eye, a
tooth for a tooth kind of speech is something you can find in the Old
Testament. I am not going to judge people who have been oppressed by
others and who fight back."


The Hindu Web site is up and running only because Mr. Guzofsky and
other Kahane backers came to its rescue. Several weeks ago, the company
that ran the site's Internet server, Addr.com of Greenwood Village,
Colo., notified Mr. Vyasmaan that it was canceling its contract.


Matt Johnson, a representative of Addr.com, said that the company had
received complaints about offensive content on the site, which contains
historical accounts about Hinduism and the centuries-long conflict
between Hindus and Muslims in South Asia. This week, a commentary on
the site called on Hindus "to stand up and take arms" against Muslims
in India,urging them to "exterminate and banish" them. The site also
urged Hindus to "Fight if you must! Die if you must!"


Mr. Johnson said representatives from HinduUnity.org contended that the
Web site was informational and did not advocate violence. But after
three days of telephone calls between New York and Colorado, Mr.
Johnson said, the company decided to pull the plug, saying that
HinduUnity.org was a hate site.


When Mr. Vyasmaan got word of the decision, his first call was to Mr.
Guzofsky's office at the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center in Brooklyn.
Mr. Guzofsky had run into a similar problem in December, when he was
forced to find a new server because of complaints about the Kahane
site. Mr. Guzofsky was in Israel, but he returned the phone call within
hours and quickly set out to solve Mr. Vyasmaan's problem.


The solution came by means of a businessman in Annandale, Va., Gary
Wardell, who designs and services Web sites and who branched out into
the server business last year. Mr. Wardell offered to help Mr. Guzofsky
in December when he read about kahane.org's problems, eventually taking
on the job as the Kahane site's host. Although Mr. Wardell said he is
converting to Judaism from Christianity and has taken an avid interest
in the teachings of Rabbi Kahane
, he said his motivation in assisting
Mr. Guzofsky was as much financial as religious.


"I am a small business and I need customers," Mr. Wardell said.
"Sometimes when you have bills to pay, that takes the focus of your
attention."


Early last month, when Mr. Guzofsky told him about HinduUnity.org, Mr.
Wardell agreed to a similar business relationship for the same
bottom-line reasons, he said.



Mr. Guzofsky said his group had not officially endorsed the views on
the Hindu Web site, but they support the right of the Hindus to express
them. For that reason, there is a link to HinduUnity.org on the Kahane
Web site and, Mr. Guzofsky posted an announcement this week about the
Hindu protest outside the United Nations.


"It is a core issue of free speech," Mr. Guzofsky said. "We have made
it clear to the folks at HinduUnity.org that if their site ever comes
down again, we will offer them a mirror site with ours so people can be
updated concerning their events. I would hope they would do the same
for us."


Mr. Vyasmaan said there is no doubt that the favor would be returned.
Already, he said, Hindus associated with the Web site have written to
Congress urging that the two Kahane political parties be removed from
the State Department's list of terrorist organizations. It is a cause
very dear to Mr. Guzofsky, who said he was recently asked by the
authorities to submit fingerprints and handwriting samples for use in
their investigationinto his Brooklyn operations.


Mr. Vyasmaan said doubters of the Hindu-Jewish commitment need to look
no further than his home in Flushing, where he displays a large picture
of Rabbi Kahane.


"He was a great man," Mr. Vyasmaan said. "It almost appeared as if he
was speaking for the Hindus."
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Old October 27th, 2006 #9
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JimInCo said-
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He does indeed host it, but not from Virginia. His company is in VA,
but the servers appear to be in izzy, according to traceroute.
Then aspiring jew Gary Wardell should be prosecuted.

Court's decision is here-
http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/...0/03-1392a.pdf

I don't understand how Alexander discovered their corporate hosting admin, while traceroute turn up Iz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._St..._Organizations
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It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b) as "currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification,
communications equipment
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kach_movement
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After his assassination in 1990, it split into two movements, Kach and Kahane Chai (Kahana Hai: "Kahane Lives"). The US State Department[1], Israeli Government, and European Union[2] all consider these groups as terrorist organizations.

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Jim, of numbers 1 through 16, or any others you have which I don't cite, please show the Iz connection. All the numbers 1-16 I have dropped into the traceroute box at http://dnsstuff.com indicate US based servers.

I dropped kahane.org in here and got:
http://network-tools.com/default.asp...ost=kahane.org

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TraceRoute to 67.153.104.163 [kahane.org]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 0 0 0 66.98.244.1 gphou-66-98-244-1.ev1.net
2 0 0 0 66.98.241.16 gphou-66-98-241-16.ev1.net
3 0 0 0 66.98.240.6 gphou-66-98-240-6.ev1.net
4 1 1 1 129.250.10.229 ge-1-13.r04.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
5 1 1 1 129.250.2.230 xe-0-1-0.r21.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
6 6 6 6 129.250.4.68 p64-1-3-0.r21.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
7 6 6 7 129.250.3.29 p16-2-0-0.r00.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net
8 6 5 6 206.223.118.85 equinixexchange.ir1.dallas2-tx.us.xo.net
9 6 7 6 65.106.4.185 p5-0-0.rar2.dallas-tx.us.xo.net
10 38 38 38 65.106.0.9 p6-0-0.rar1.atlanta-ga.us.xo.net
11 38 38 38 65.106.1.26 p0-0-0d0.rar2.atlanta-ga.us.xo.net
12 38 60 38 65.106.0.5 p1-0-0.rar2.washington-dc.us.xo.net
13 38 38 39 65.106.3.206 p7-0-0.mar2.washington5-dc.us.xo.net
14 39 39 39 71.5.190.166 fe4-0-0.clr10.washington5-dc.us.xo.net
15 66 46 43 67.95.157.98 gwsystems-gwsystems-psr1906030.z157-95-67.customer.algx.net
16 43 42 43 67.153.104.163 devserver.gwsystems.co.il
Then I dropped the main (first) number and some others under "traceroute" box here
http://www.dnsstuff.com/
and got US servers indicated:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...244-1.ev1.net+
Quote:
Traceroute to gphou-66-98-244-1.ev1.net
Generated by www.DNSstuff.com at 06:02:25 GMT on 27 Oct 2006.
Hop T1 T2 T3 Best Graph IP Hostname Dist TTL Ctry Time
1 4 0 0 0.5 ms
66.36.240.2 AS14361
HOPONE-DCA c-vl102-d1.acc.dca2.hopone.net. 255 US Unix: 6:02:53.329
2 0 0 0 0.5 ms [+0ms]
66.36.224.232 AS0
IANA-RSVD-0 gec2.core1.dca2.hopone.net. 0 miles [+0] 254 US Unknown: 81674b42
3 2 3 2 2.0 ms [+1ms]
66.36.224.18 AS0
IANA-RSVD-0 ge3-0.core1.iad1.hopone.net. 0 miles [+0] 253 US Unix: 6:02:22.491
4 2 2 2 2.1 ms [+0ms]
206.223.115.86 AS2914
NTTA-2914 ge-4-1-0.mpr1.iad10.us.mfnx.net. 0 miles [+0] 251 US Unix: 6:02:23.317
5 5 14 2 2.3 ms [+0ms]
64.125.30.118 AS6461
MFNX so-4-0-0.mpr1.iad2.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 250 US Unix: 6:02:23.352
6 93 2 22 2.7 ms [+0ms]
64.125.29.133 AS6461
MFNX so-4-0-0.mpr2.iad1.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 249 US Unix: 6:02:23.504
7 2 3 2 2.7 ms [+0ms]
64.125.27.210 AS6461
MFNX so-6-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 248 US Unix: 6:02:23.509
8 46 42 43 38 ms [+35ms]
64.125.28.70 AS6461
MFNX so-6-0-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 249 US Unix: 6:02:23.596
9 62 46 42 38 ms [+0ms]
64.125.31.41 AS6461
MFNX so-3-0-0.mpr2.iah1.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 248 US Unix: 1:24:55.776
10 47 46 47 38 ms [+0ms]
64.125.31.61 AS6461
MFNX so-0-0-0.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 247 US Unix: 6:02:23.692
11 62 39 38 38 ms [+0ms]
216.200.251.170 AS6461
MFNX t289.216-200-251-170.iah1.us.above.net. 0 miles [+0] 244 US [Router did not respond]
12 * 38 38 38 ms [+0ms]
66.98.240.61 ASN=30315[Destination Unreachable] gphou-66-98-240-61.ev1.net. 0 miles [+0] 53 [Router did not respond]
13 * * * 99999 ms [+99961ms]
[Unknown] [Unknown - Firewall did not respond] -1 miles [+0]
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...b.gin.ntt.net+

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I don't understand how Alexander discovered their corporate hosting admin, while traceroute turn up Iz.
A WHOIS search shows the technical contact as being Wardell:

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Registrant: Make this info private
Yeshivat HaRav Meir
1090 Coney Island Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11230
US

Domain Name: KAHANE.ORG

Administrative Contact :
Guzofsky, Michael
[email protected]
1980 E 8TH ST APT 4
BROOKLYN, NY 11223-3229
US
Phone: 718 758-0520
Fax: 718 421-0930

Technical Contact :
Wardell, Gary **
[email protected]

4327 RAVENSWORTH RD APT 217
ANNANDALE, VA 22003-5632
US
Phone: 703-642-9545
Fax: 123 123 1234

Record expires on 03-Oct-2010
Record created on 19-Sep-2002
Database last updated on 07-Jul-2004

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS1.GWSYSTEMSDNS.NET 67.153.104.162
NS1.DARKTECH.ORG 69.46.20.19
NS2.DARKTECH.ORG 207.218.1.51
NS2.GWSYSTEMSDNS.NET 67.153.104.163

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IP Address: 67.153.104.163 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-VIRGINIA-SPRINGFIELD
Record Type: Domain Name
Server Type: IIS 5
Web Site Status: Active
DMOZ 2 listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Web Site Title: Kahane.org
Meta Description: The Official Kahane Website
Meta Keywords: kahane,kahana,torah,yeshiva,rabbi kahane,meir kahane,binyamin kahane,israel,right wing,arab,jerusalem,jdl,jewish defense league,
Secure: No
E-commerce: No
Traffic Ranking: 1
Data as of: 25-Jul-2006
But the servers themselves sure look to me to be in izzy.

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tracing path from www.net.princeton.edu to 67.153.104.163 ...

traceroute to 67.153.104.163 (67.153.104.163), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 gigagate1 (128.112.128.114) 0.484 ms 0.298 ms 0.342 ms
2 vgate1 (128.112.12.22) 0.524 ms 0.379 ms 0.341 ms
3 patriotgate (204.153.48.14) 0.994 ms 0.929 ms 0.918 ms
4 12.119.12.89 (12.119.12.89) 3.198 ms 3.099 ms 3.185 ms
5 tbr2-p031501.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.219.186) 5.180 ms 4.812 ms 4.779 ms
6 ggr1-p370.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.0.61) 3.804 ms 3.661 ms 3.629 ms
7 p14-0.IR1.NYC-NY.us.xo.net (206.111.13.33) 3.937 ms 3.881 ms 3.777 ms
8 p5-0-0.RAR2.NYC-NY.us.xo.net (65.106.3.41) 52.107 ms 4.044 ms 17.693 ms
9 p6-0-0.RAR1.Washington-DC.us.xo.net (65.106.0.2) 11.385 ms 12.098 ms 11.188 ms
10 p7-2-0.MAR1.Washington5-DC.us.xo.net (65.106.3.202) 11.658 ms 11.507 ms 11.430 ms
11 fe0-0-0.CLR10.Washington5-DC.us.xo.net (71.5.190.162) 55.049 ms 50.742 ms 19.271 ms
12 gwsystems-gwsystems-psr1906030.z157-95-67.customer.algx.net (67.95.157.98) 16.975 ms 16.965 ms 16.770 ms
13 devserver.gwsystems.co.il (67.153.104.163) 17.494 ms 18.111 ms 17.370 ms
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Old October 27th, 2006 #12
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No worries, Chain. I'm sure Dick Warman is on the case.

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Thursday, Oct. 26

10:45 a.m. -- Terrorists and Hate Groups on the Internet: What Should Be Done? (Ballrooms A/B) Doug Isenberg, attorney and publisher of GigaLaw.com; Les Seagraves, Chief Privacy Officer, Earthlink Inc.; Richard Warman, Canadian human rights lawyer; Moderator: Christopher Wolf, Chair, ADL Internet Task Force and chair, International Network Against Cyber-Hate
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Old October 27th, 2006 #13
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Um. Well, in dropping all those into traceroutbox at http://dnsstuff.com , I get:

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...7.153.104.163+

The country column, the second to right columns says "US" in every case.

I dropped your #3 "patriotgate" into traceroute box at http://dnsstuff.com It says US.

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...=204.153.48.14

Maybe I am not understanding how you are arriving at the Iz conclusion. I don't know much about this tracing. Please demonstrate why it looks like Iz. And even if it is Iz, the Wikipedia piece says Iz claims they are recognized as being terrorist there too. But I don't think they are in Iz. For example, check out the last few numbers seemingly segmented and dropped into traceroute box at http://dnsstuff.com . US locations, it looks to me:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...p=67.95.157.98
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=17.494+ms
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=18.111+ms
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=17.370+ms+

However, this one shows some US and UK and France:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracert.ch?ip=16.770+ms
 
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Not trying to argue, Jim-- just wish I could figure this out for certain-- WHERE the servers are. It surely seems to me they are US-based, with maybe a few EU countries involved too.

Even though I have reported it to the FBI and the court file of the pdf on page 12
http://pacer.cadc.uscourts.gov/docs/...0/03-1392a.pdf
indicates kahane.org is terrorist, nothing seems to be done.

It says Michael Gusovsky is the billing person.

On page 15 the court says kahane.org is a fucking "controlled entity", that is, goddamned terrorists! So why are the kikes still online with their terror?
 
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Not trying to argue, Jim-- just wish I could figure this out for certain-- WHERE the servers are. It surely seems to me they are US-based, with maybe a few EU countries involved too.
I'm far from an expert, but as I understand it, traceroute shows you the
path taken when sending data across the net. Think of it as Mapquest
directions. Step one is the starting location, the last step is the destination.
For instance, let's plug in vnnforum.com to the Princeton traceroute engine.

Keep in mind that the first few lines will be different depending on where
you are tracerouting from. Again, the first line is Princeton, and the last
line is VNNF. The ones in between is the route the data took to get from
one to the other.

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Traceroute
tracing path from www.net.princeton.edu to 208.113.154.169 ...

traceroute to 208.113.154.169 (208.113.154.169), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 gigagate1 (128.112.128.114) 2.993 ms 5.487 ms 6.984 ms
2 vgate1 (128.112.12.22) 5.452 ms 5.492 ms 5.448 ms
3 209.92.72.201 (209.92.72.201) 6.645 ms 6.658 ms 7.010 ms
4 169.130.105.18 (169.130.105.18) 6.921 ms 1.729 ms 1.620 ms
5 4.78.164.9 (4.78.164.9) 2.200 ms 2.176 ms 2.003 ms
6 ge-7-0-0.mp1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net (209.247.9.229) 2.124 ms 2.278 ms 2.198 ms
7 ae-0-0.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (64.159.1.126) 68.048 ms as-0-0.bbr1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (64.159.1.157) 67.882 ms ae-0-0.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (64.159.1.126) 73.393 ms
8 ae-11-53.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.68.102.76) 67.940 ms ae-21-56.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.68.102.172) 68.095 ms ae-11-53.car1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net (4.68.102.76) 68.041 ms
9 ge1-L3.dreamhost.com (4.78.192.66) 75.251 ms 68.081 ms 67.889 ms
10 apache2-rank.lifesaver.dreamhost.com (208.113.154.169) 72.324 ms 68.274 ms 67.851 ms
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Yes, but demonstrate the case for kahane.org In post #13, I dropped your final "arrival" numbers-- as best as I could read them-- into traceroute box at http://dnsstuff.com and, with a couple of EU country number exceptions, they seem to be US servers.

One reason I am on this today is because I am doing a video today for the internet and I want to include this story.
 
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OK, here's one-- the last number on your server lookup for kahane.org which does end in IZ. Why doesn't the US Justice Dept pressure Iz to shut down this terrorist site? The US and Iz cooperate on all other terrorist shut-downs, right?
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/tracer...7.153.104.163+
Reached Destination]devserver.gwsystems.co.il.
 
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It says Michael Gusovsky is the billing person.

On page 15 the court says kahane.org is a fucking "controlled entity", that is, goddamned terrorists! So why are the kikes still online with their terror?
I think we both know the answer to that one, but it sure as hell would be
entertaining to hear the powers that be try to explain why they won't act.


From the June 2001 NY Times article I posted earlier:

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The Brooklyn group runs a Web site, Kahane.org, that aims to keep the
Kahane movement alive despite the political crackdown in Israel and the
terrorist designations in the United States. The site's manager,
Michael Guzofsky, said the Jewish-Hindu relationship in New York is a
practical one that reflects a common suffering at the hands of Muslims.
The alliance is born from adversity, he said, and transcends the
differences in their religious traditions, which, he acknowledged, the
two groups have never addressed in detail.


"I definitely understand their pain even if I don't know much about
their faith," Mr. Guzofsky said of the Hindu fundamentalists. "Their
Web site isa little more militant than ours, but an eye for an eye, a
tooth for a tooth kind of speech is something you can find in the Old
Testament. I am not going to judge people who have been oppressed by
others and who fight back."


The Hindu Web site is up and running only because Mr. Guzofsky and
other Kahane backers came to its rescue. Several weeks ago, the company
that ran the site's Internet server, Addr.com of Greenwood Village,
Colo., notified Mr. Vyasmaan that it was canceling its contract.


Matt Johnson, a representative of Addr.com, said that the company had
received complaints about offensive content on the site, which contains
historical accounts about Hinduism and the centuries-long conflict
between Hindus and Muslims in South Asia. This week, a commentary on
the site called on Hindus "to stand up and take arms" against Muslims
in India,urging them to "exterminate and banish" them. The site also
urged Hindus to "Fight if you must! Die if you must!"


Mr. Johnson said representatives from HinduUnity.org contended that the
Web site was informational and did not advocate violence. But after
three days of telephone calls between New York and Colorado, Mr.
Johnson said, the company decided to pull the plug, saying that
HinduUnity.org was a hate site.


When Mr. Vyasmaan got word of the decision, his first call was to Mr.
Guzofsky's office at the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center in Brooklyn.
Mr. Guzofsky had run into a similar problem in December, when he was
forced to find a new server because of complaints about the Kahane
site. Mr. Guzofsky was in Israel, but he returned the phone call within
hours and quickly set out to solve Mr. Vyasmaan's problem.
It's perfectly clear to me that these two are running this site from
the US. You would think that the fact that the servers are off-shore
wouldn't absolve them of legal repercussions. You'd think.
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JimInCo said:
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I think we both know the answer to that one, but it sure as hell would be entertaining to hear the powers that be try to explain why they won't act.
Yep. Terrorist kike-convert-in-training (Reference JimInCo's post #8)
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Mr. Wardell said he is
converting to Judaism
from Christianity and has taken an avid interest
in the teachings of Rabbi Kahane
,
Gary Wardell of Annandale VA
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=1
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E.GW Systems
703-642-9545
4327 Ravensworth Rd
Annandale VA 22003
More Results For: Computers-Svce. & Repair

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F.Gw Systems
703-642-9545
4327 Ravensworth Rd Apt 217
Annandale VA 22003-5632
More Results For: Computers-Svce. & Repair

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and Iz runs free. I wonder if he flies first class between Iz and DC.
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&cd=2
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Of significance is that kahane.org has been designated a "terrorist" website by the United States. It is not clear at this time whether the filtering of kahane.org is intentional or an unintentional by-product of it sharing the same IP address as HinduUnity.org, as appears to be the case with http://www.gwsystems.co.il/. To our knowledge, no order has been issued by any authority in India to block kahane.org.

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http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-gatade010605.htm

Kike/Hindu unity - that seems like an odd combination, but
I suppose does make sense.

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Terrorist kike-convert-in-training Gary Wardell of Annandale VA and Iz runs free.
Be sure to mention the line from the 2001 article, lest people think Wardell
is just a guy running a server with no political connections to his client.

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Although Mr. Wardell said he is converting to Judaism from Christianity
and has taken an avid interest in the teachings of Rabbi Kahane, he said
his motivation in assisting Mr. Guzofsky was as much financial as religious.
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