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Old May 19th, 2004 #1
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For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetrut.../ufo-pent.html

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1. An American citizen (naturalized), Nikola Tesla (an athiest and a capitalist), invented the flying saucer, before 1900, and reduced it to practice by 1915.

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

3. The American government later helped Wernher von Braun, the Nazis, and the Trilateral Commission and Illuminati (who still retain control) remove the "KT-p2" Projekt ("KT" is for "Kreisel-Teller" [German, for "Gyrating Plate"], and "p2" is the electronic designation for an "oscillating electromagnetic dipole") to Germany, after 1937.

4. The Nazis, who attempted to develop and use the flying saucer during the war (called "Foo-Fighters" by us, "Fireballs" and "Flying Turtles" by them), were unsuccessful in developing appropriate weapons for it until too late, and finally traded it back to us during the stalemate of 1945, in exchange for amnesty for numerous persons (including many war criminals), and for other concessions and guarantees (many of which are too numerous or incredible to mention here).

5. The U.S. government (N.S.A., O.S.I.), on behalf of the Trilateral Commission, continues with and enforces a Nazi-originated "Big Lie" program, in which it perpetuates the hoax that flying saucers ("U.F.O.s") are: (a) Extraterrestrial in origin; (b) psychological phenomena ("collective consciousness archetypal images", ala C. G. Jung); (c) swamp gas; (d) "free-floating plasmas"; (e) piezo-electric effects; (f) ball-lightning; (g) other natural phenomena; (h) unknown life forms; (i) hallucinations; (j) non-existent; (k)hoaxes by attention-seekers; (l)the products of hysteria, insanity, etc., etc.

6. The German navy surrounded the U.S. with 24 U-boats, armed with (V-6?) I.C.B.M.s, having celestial guidance systems, and armed with neutron bomb warheads, trained on key American cities and centers, in a 1945 stalemate; German Admiral Karl Doenitz negotiated a secret truce and amnesty agreement with American authorities, under which he was required to order all 24 U-boats "...scuttled, with all hands on board...", under the agreement, pursuant to which Nazi skippers opened the hatches and the subs and all men on board went to the bottom. Under Operation Paperclip, all Nazi scientific research materials, most of their important scientists, and the "KT-p2 Projekt" technology, were transferred to the U.S. and to the Trilateral Commission corporations, thus attempting to insure that the Illuminati would retain control of the materials. Certain unusual security procedures were initiated to insure this, including the "sacrificing" of some major German scientists to the Soviets, to plant misinformation, and to insure that the hoax was successful.

7. During the war, German scientists bypassed development of the "atom bomb", and built and tested the neutron bomb. German field marshall Erwin Rommel and the Afrika Korps were originally sent to North Africa to test the neutron bomb, as well as Tesla's "death ray" (which freezes whole armies); this technology was acquired by American corporations, held chiefly by David Rockefeller, and was later sold in part back to the U.S. government and tested in the '60s, and the same technology was again sold to the U.S. government again in the '70s and '80s, as "star wars" technology.

8. Over 15,000 German military, technical, intelligence, and support personnel were<...>
For much more, go to the above link.
 
Old May 20th, 2004 #2
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didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? a good roundup of this sort of fantasy is Joyceln Goodwin's book entitled "Arktos." Kind of covers the Lovecraftian nexus too. LOL crinoid creatures etc. Hyperborea, all that jazz. light reading fiction.
 
Old May 21st, 2004 #3
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didnt ernst z used to sell nazi ufo books? ...
That he did. Lyne actually knows what he's talking about, though, and he's worth a look if a copy is nearby.

Lyne was an Ayn Rand objectivist who observed UFOs very early on (he's a New Mexican) and he noted the gulf between official statements and what he was seeing. He took extensive notes and studied a lot.

He notes that the CIA nearly destroyed him when he tried to go public at first. Sound familiar? When Trevor James Constable offered his evidence for what UFOs really were in 1975, the printing plant burned down!

Whether or not there is a Tesla connection remains the sticking point with lots of people who have seen the reality behind the Hollywood. In the opinion of more than a couple, Germany was capable of the stuff Lyne describes without any need of Tesla's notes.

However, Tesla is a subject for specialists too, since much of his work is now classified.

UFOs cover a deliberate area of security state malfeasance, as Jim Marrs has noted. When one agency of the US government manages to loose 2 billion dollars in a year without civilian oversight, it's clear something is going on the chiefs don't want us to know.

Till Washington tells the truth, I'm assuming people like Bill Lyne are at least part-right.
 
Old May 21st, 2004 #4
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I'm inclined to agree with FJ. Come on A.E., "light reading fiction"? From the guy trying to sell religion? If all this springs from the imagination, they at least have a damn fine gift of imagination. Occam's razor does not shred this info.
 
Old June 2nd, 2004 #5
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William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!
 
Old September 23rd, 2004 #6
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What did it look like? Where was it? Go on...

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William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!
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Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.
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Old September 24th, 2004 #8
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I'd like to hear more too.

Hilter's Flying Saucer's is still selling, from what I've heard, and gives lots of interesting details on what the German's actually did (as opposed to the warp-speed mars colony bullshit).

I liked it because it finally gets into the public record what "foo fighters" actually were. It was a minor German weapons system, but the curious part is the British and US saw fit to classify it for decades after the war.

This is the sort of thing researchers call a smoking gun: If UFOs are just hallucinations and hoaxes, why did the military and intelligence people keep foo fighters classified for over 50 years? What part of this technology don't they want us to know, and why?
 
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Dude, I just bought one! It's only got 100 light years on the odometer, beryllium exterior, leather interior (of course). I'm thinking of putting those blindingly bright blue headlights on as an aftermarket item. You know, like the nigger drug dealers have. I plan to have the dopest whip in space.
If I didn't know better, I'd say you're being sarcastic to Zulu. Why, just last month I saw several of just these very intergalactic cruisers down in Roswell. I would recommend you tuning in to Art Bell, then you would know none of the lighting systems are blue. Duh!
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Old October 14th, 2004 #10
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I'd like to hear more about what it looked like and where it was, please.

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William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!
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Greetings, Xuxa the White. I noticed that you recently posted so I take the opportunity to remind you of my request for more information on your intriguing encounter. please describe what you saw. Where were you?

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William Lyne is right, Flying Saucers are man-made electrogravitic flying machines. I have seen one up close in 1994, which was when I still believed in aliens from space. I no longer believe in extraterrestrials after reading that book! Also, a lot of what Mr. Lyne had said about government (his only minor error is the Holohoax) whether here in America or the world is right on the nose!
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I must admit I recently had an encounter with aliens myself; One night in August they appeared. They were small, squat repugnant looking creatures with rows of sqaure teeth. Both the male and female of the species were covered in thick body hair, with a sloping bulbous face, and they spoke a strange language. They attempted to have me mate with one of their females in their strangely illuminated, vibrating vehicle. In addition, they smelled of beer, tacos, and grass clippings.

Creepy.

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The aliens you describe are to be found in every part of our country with the exception of one benighted holler in West Virginia.

Clearly Xuxa the White is reluctant to divulge info on his encounter.

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I must admit I recently had an encounter with aliens myself; One night in August they appeared. They were small, squat repugnant looking creatures with rows of sqaure teeth. Both the male and female of the species were covered in thick body hair, with a sloping bulbous face, and they spoke a strange language. They attempted to have me mate with one of their females in their strangely illuminated, vibrating vehicle. In addition, they smelled of beer, tacos, and grass clippings.

Creepy.

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Advance Scout to Mother Ship Come in.

Advance Scout to Mother Ship Come on in.

The cat is out of the bag. Repeat the cat is out of the bag.

Activate "Green Ray" shield and enable "black sun" cloaking mechanism to protect the Antarctic Redoubt. Evacuate Hitler clones. Contact Agartha and Shambala bases re these developments.

Agent Vril signing off. Over and out.
 
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Sir,

Have you thought of writing a screenplay which incorporates all the conspiracy theories in a wild and psychotic manner, somewhere along the lines of Mars Attacks? Your statement has the exact flavor for it and it would be wild.
 
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Greetings, Xuxa the White. I noticed that you recently posted so I take the opportunity to remind you of my request for more information on your intriguing encounter. please describe what you saw. Where were you?
It was over the Caribbean Sea as I was taking a flight to South America. It was a classic diskoid shape, silvery, somewhat flattened and it was roughly the size of a quarter in a fully outstreched hand and arm. It was tilted at a 45 degree angle with the "left" part of the disk down and the "right part of the disk up, from my point of view. I was sitting next to the window on the left side of the plane's interior. I saw it only for a few seconds before it flew away. At the time, I though it might be alien, but as I have mentioned, I know know that it was a man-made electrogravitic machine!

http://members.tripod.com/~lyne4lyne/

Here is the link! Sorry that I took so long to answer, but I was having fun baiting the antis!
 
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I'd like to hear more too.

Hilter's Flying Saucer's is still selling, from what I've heard, and gives lots of interesting details on what the German's actually did (as opposed to the warp-speed mars colony bullshit).

I liked it because it finally gets into the public record what "foo fighters" actually were. It was a minor German weapons system, but the curious part is the British and US saw fit to classify it for decades after the war.

This is the sort of thing researchers call a smoking gun: If UFOs are just hallucinations and hoaxes, why did the military and intelligence people keep foo fighters classified for over 50 years? What part of this technology don't they want us to know, and why?
I think UFOs were part of a proposed government plan to fake a neverending international emergency with a 'war of the worlds'. It must have never got out of the early experiments stage and then we got the war on terror instead which will accomplish the same 'one world under ZOG' political goals in the end.
 
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For anyone who has not discovered the book Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne, here's part of his own summary:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetrut.../ufo-pent.html

Some of the highlights:



For much more, go to the above link.
US Government collaborating with Germany in 1937? Not likely. The Jews had already declared war in 1933. With the 20th-century reference to illuminati it becomes certifiably kooky. This belongs on shortwave.
 
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I think UFOs were part of a proposed government plan to fake a neverending international emergency with a 'war of the worlds'. It must have never got out of the early experiments stage and then we got the war on terror instead which will accomplish the same 'one world under ZOG' political goals in the end.
Werner Von Braun came out and said as much in 1974:

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"The Grand War Plan: It's All Based on a LIE
Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries, Spokesperson for Wernher
von Braun, Dr. Carol Rosin: Von Braun [founder of modern rocket science] told me [in 1974] that the reasons for space-based weaponry were all based on a lie. He said that the strategy was to use scare tactics - that FIRST THE
RUSSIANS, THEN the TERRORISTS are going to be considered the enemy.
The NEXT ENEMY was ASTEROIDS. "The last card is the alien card. We
are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens, and
all of it is a lie."...
But if everything since 1974 (and before) is a lie, what's the truth except they'e robbing us blind? Which is bad enough, I suppose.

Hadding:

For reasons nobody has ever explained, Von Braun indeed showed up in New Mexico in the mid-30s. Worse yet is that American rocket pioneer Robert H. Goddard died under highly suspicious circumstances in 1945 -- just in time to let Von Braun come over and run the show.

There's lots of strange stories involving the subject of NASA, UFOs and Hitler's Germany. I've given up on a short review because even the background runs over 5000 words. I'll let everyone know when I put up the blog.

Incidentally, Lyne is quite correct in stating there are no aliens. The devil is in the details. Colin Wilson, famed British researcher of the paranormal, gave up on UFOs because there's "too many explanations." Right. Just what you'd expect when something is being kept well-hidden.

For the best short look under the curtain, aviation writer Nick Cook's book The Hunt for Zero Point gives you some idea how big the secret is.


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