Iran police : Neda's death 'prearranged scenario'

[alex revision]

Iran police: Neda's death 'prearranged scenario'

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:35:51 GMT

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020101

Iran's Police Chief says the mysterious death of Neda Aqa-Soltan, who became a symbol of post-election street rallies in Iran, was a 'prearranged scenario'.

Neda, 26, was shot dead on June 20 in an alley away from the scene of clashes between security forces and demonstrators in Tehran.

She immediately became an international icon after graphic videos of her death grabbed the attention of world media outlets.

Esmaeil Ahmadi-Moqadam, commander of the Iranian Police, said Wednesday that the unfortunate incident --which has been hyped and dramatized by Western media outlets--, was in fact a 'premeditated act of murder'.

The Iranian police chief said Arash Hejazi, a doctor who claims he tried to save Neda's life in her final moments, has fanned the flames of the western media hype.

Ahmadi-Moqadam said the Iranian Intelligence Ministry is making every effort to discover the whereabouts of Hejazi. "He has fled the country and is working against the Iranian government abroad."

Media outlets in the West have blamed Neda's death on Iranian security forces, but new revelations have found that she was murdered by a small caliber pistol--a weapon that is not used by Iranian security forces.

The man who drove Neda to hospital said in an interview that her death looked 'highly suspicious', as there were no security forces or Basij members nearby.

The Iranian government is making every effort to identify the culprit behind Neda's death with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad demanding a through investigation into the incident.

"Amid vast propaganda by foreign media and many other evidence about the heartfelt event, it seems definite that opponents of the Iranian nation interfere (in Iran's internal affairs) for their political misuse," said Ahmadinejad in a letter to Iran's Judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi

[Rikert]

Originally Posted by alex revision

Iran police: Neda's death 'prearranged scenario'

Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:35:51 GMT

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020101

Iran's Police Chief says the mysterious death of Neda Aqa-Soltan, who became a symbol of post-election street rallies in Iran, was a 'prearranged scenario'.

Neda, 26, was shot dead on June 20 in an alley away from the scene of clashes between security forces and demonstrators in Tehran.

She immediately became an international icon after graphic videos of her death grabbed the attention of world media outlets.

Esmaeil Ahmadi-Moqadam, commander of the Iranian Police, said Wednesday that the unfortunate incident --which has been hyped and dramatized by Western media outlets--, was in fact a 'premeditated act of murder'.

The Iranian police chief said Arash Hejazi, a doctor who claims he tried to save Neda's life in her final moments, has fanned the flames of the western media hype.

Ahmadi-Moqadam said the Iranian Intelligence Ministry is making every effort to discover the whereabouts of Hejazi. "He has fled the country and is working against the Iranian government abroad."

Media outlets in the West have blamed Neda's death on Iranian security forces, but new revelations have found that she was murdered by a small caliber pistol--a weapon that is not used by Iranian security forces.

The man who drove Neda to hospital said in an interview that her death looked 'highly suspicious', as there were no security forces or Basij members nearby.

The Iranian government is making every effort to identify the culprit behind Neda's death with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad demanding a through investigation into the incident.

"Amid vast propaganda by foreign media and many other evidence about the heartfelt event, it seems definite that opponents of the Iranian nation interfere (in Iran's internal affairs) for their political misuse," said Ahmadinejad in a letter to Iran's Judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi

The video struck me as suspicious because she was supposedly shot in the heart, yet the bullet didn't sever her spine. I'm not a ballistics expert, but I'm fairly sure that a 7.62x39 (Kalashnikov variant) or .308 NATO (CETME variant) would have severed her spine instantly (baring some type of extremely odd angle) and dropped her like a sack of potatoes. I don't mean to be crude here, but I know from experience that spine shots on deer causes the animal to drop instantly. In the video she is standing and moving for some time (supposedly a full minute after getting shot). Also there isn't a lot of bleeding from any exit wound in her back. Again, I'm not a battlefield medic, but you'd think there would be a fair amount of bleeding from an exit wound from such rifle calibers. Yes, a pistol caliber is capable of severing her spine as well, but there's much larger margin of error for that, especially if its something small like .32 ACP or .22LR.

[OTPTT]

Originally Posted by Rikert

The video struck me as suspicious because she was supposedly shot in the heart, yet the bullet didn't sever her spine. I'm not a ballistics expert, but I'm fairly sure that a 7.62x39 (Kalashnikov variant) or .308 NATO (CETME variant) would have severed her spine instantly (baring some type of extremely odd angle) and dropped her like a sack of potatoes. I don't mean to be crude here, but I know from experience that spine shots on deer causes the animal to drop instantly. In the video she is standing and moving for some time (supposedly a full minute after getting shot). Also there isn't a lot of bleeding from any exit wound in her back. Again, I'm not a battlefield medic, but you'd think there would be a fair amount of bleeding from an exit wound from such rifle calibers. Yes, a pistol caliber is capable of severing her spine as well, but there's much larger margin of error for that, especially if its something small like .32 ACP or .22LR.

If she were shot with a .308 she'd have been put on the ground without any hesitation. The deer I shot last December (.308 Win) I shot straight through the heart. He ran about 50 feet and dropped. When General and I arrived at its location there was a large pool of blood where it bled out. The heart shot was confirmed during the field dressing.

The heart sits just to the left of mid-line in a human. Facing someone the heart is just to the right of their sternum. It's not directly in front of the spine.

[Roy]

The Internet scooped this story. People were wondering why someone that wasn't even protesting was shot. (There's a video of her just observing the protest, showing she wasn't even protesting). It seemed that a real security force member would want to shoot a violent rioter, rather than someone on the sidelines. Then, if you look at the crowds, it's almost all men. Why target a woman when there were so many men? A dead woman garners much more sympathy than a dead man, and so there was motive to target her, as a woman.


Some people commented on the large pool of blood near her feet, but her shoes and pants were nearly bloodless. This couldn't happen if she was still standing. This suggested possible photoshopping for greater effect. Also, why the amazing amount of MSM coverage? Someone told the MSM to put this video front and center, especially because it violated their "No-up-close-deaths or gore" policies. Then, in addition to that, the Mossad's slogan is "By way of deception, thou shalt do war". What else do expect from people that have such a slogan?

[Gibson]

Video of the event on youtube (not for the faint-hearted): YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

It looks like she was shot in the upper right chest - that's where they are trying to stop the bleeding. The amount of blood on the ground might indicate an exit wound in her back? What she was shot with and how long before she fell, I cannot guess. OTPTT, any idea?

[OTPTT]

Originally Posted by Gibson

Video of the event on youtube (not for the faint-hearted): YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

It looks like she was shot in the upper right chest, because that's where they are trying to stop the bleeding. The amount of blood on the ground might indicate an exit wound in her back? What she was shot with and how long before she fell, I cannot guess. OTPTT, any idea?

I can't find my youtube account information and have to log in in order to view the video. Generally speaking a wound in the upper corner of one's chest (near the shoulder or arm) is survivable depending of course on the offending cartridge and placement. This assumes of course that no major arteries were severed and there are several in the chest and neck area including the brachial artery of the upper chest and length of the arm.

As far as the chest and arm go the brachial artery comes to mind. She could have easily bled out if this artery had been severed. Note it's location in the illustration below.

The brachial artery (Fig. 525) commences at the lower margin of the tendon of the Teres major, and, passing down the arm, ends about 1 cm. below the bend of the elbow, where it divides into the radial and ulnar arteries. At first the brachial artery lies medial to the humerus; but as it runs down the arm it gradually gets in front of the bone, and at the bend of the elbow it lies midway between its two epicondyles.

One thing we were taught as Navy Corpsman (and for me in nursing school) was the treatment of sucking chest wounds. It's important to cover the wound, seal the hole, and get the patient to a battalion aid station or field hospital asap. Or in the civilian world a hospital.

When I have more time I'll take a look at the video cited above. Might give a better idea of the wound she suffered and shed more light on the matter.

The treatment of a wound where there is heavy bleeding includes the immediate application of a clean dressing and the application of firm pressure to the site. A couple of sterile dressings The idea is to apply enough pressure to stop the bleeding allowing time to get the patient to the appropriate medical facility and personnel.

I suggest that everyone have the following on hand although I hope no one has to use them.

Several Sterile 4x4" gauze sponges
Roll of Sterile gauze wrap.
Ace bandage wrap.

[Gibson]

Originally Posted by OTPTT

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As far as the chest and arm go the brachial artery comes to mind. She could have easily bled out if this artery had been severed. ...

That looks like the area: top of the brachial artery, just under the clavicle.