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Alex Linder
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Greg Johnson has written an interesting treatise on the issue of "gay marriage." Even for those whose rejection--let me say "revulsion"--at anything to do with homosexuality will find food for thought, not only in the article but in the Comments (note especially Hajo Liaucius)--not merely regarding gay marriage, but regarding heterosexual marriage and family.

I expressed my own aversions in another thread some time ago. I disagree with some things Greg writes here. Nevertheless, I think it's an above average essay. When I read this early today, the last comment was posted by Chonodomarius (about Hirschfeld and Weinberg).

The “Gay Marriage” Controversy
Greg Johnson
June 28, 2013

Both the promoters and opponents of homosexual marriage share a common false premise: that the legalization of homosexual marriage overthrows “heteronormativity,” i.e., the idea that heterosexuality is normal and other forms of sexuality are not. But the idea that changing marriage laws can change heteronormativity is simply false.
Actually, no one says that. Leftists see queer marriage as one important campaign in a giant ongoing war.

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What do I mean when I say that homosexual behavior is abnormal? I don’t mean that it is unnatural, since its exists in nature. It is even found in many species besides man.
Most of the so-called examples of homosexual behavior disappear on closer examination.

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I don’t mean that it is a sin, i.e., something that displeases God. The idea of sin pretty much paralyzes the ability to think rationally about morals.

For me, the issue of abnormality all boils down to homosexuality being a non-reproductive, recreational form of sex. And if everyone had non-reproductive, recreational sex all the time, the human race would perish. Heterosexual behavior is normal, because only heterosexual sex can perpetuate our species, provided conception is not blocked by birth control.

So the real issue is not even homosexual versus heterosexual, but reproductive versus non-reproductive sex. That’s all there is to it.
Um, no. Homosexual behavior is inherently morbid, heterosexual behavior is not. Queer behavior is on a par along with drug/alcohol abuse and other anti-social behavior. Whether a taste is inborn or developed, it's socially destructive and should be looked down on, and certainly never given any kind of legal status. What Johnson doesn't observe that's most significant today is that

1) homos today, unlike in all prior history, can find one other easily.
2) queers have a global support network thanks to political backing and media/communications technology.

This results in queers being able to form what the left calls communities - basically, pockets of morbidity. In these death cultures new and quite dangerous diseases are created and existing diseases are exacerbated. Thanks to jewish political clout, these diseases are untied, in the public mind, from the homosexual behavior that spawned and spread them, and actually, such chutzpah!, blamed on the surrounding squares. It's not Gaetan Dugas, an extremely promiscuous queer, who's responsible for spreading Queer-Related Immune Deficiency (Q-RID), it's Ronald Reagan, the ninety-year-old president, who's responsible for spreading AIDS ('Acquired" [LOL] Immune Deficiency Syndrome). (How was it acquired? Well, doc, I sucked 500 dicks in 400 days.)

Heterosexuals engaged in normal activity don't know whether their sex will result in offspring, so the division between productive and non-reproductive sex is not so simply made. We do know that every act of anal sex between homosexuals is inherently morbid - diseased. Big, big difference.


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Homosexual behaviors and tastes are older than the human race, but the idea of homosexuality as an identity is a rather recent phenomenon. People with exclusively homosexual tastes are a tiny minority in any society, no matter how permissive and decadent. Thus it stands to reason that no society has ever ceased to exist because the tiny homosexual minority doesn’t reproduce. Societies decline demographically when the heterosexual majority doesn’t reproduce, primarily due to birth control.
Birth control is not the reason societies decline. Birth control is merely something people use to avoid pregnancy, not the cause of the desire to avoid pregnancy.

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Thus if non-reproductive sex is a problem because it does not perpetuate the human race, the bulk of the blame falls on selfish, hedonistic straight people.
I mean, this is like arguing with a fundamentalist instead of a human because it's easier. That's one step above a strawman, I suppose, but there's little else to commend it. Yes. You're correct. The human race never is, has been, or will be in danger of dying off because of fag activity. No serious man ever so contended. 1% of the population can't have that effect - unless it be through spreading lethal disease - which is not entirely out of the question, considering Q-RID and the various drug-resistant strains homo behavior has created or exacerbated.

The basic problem with Johnson's article is there's no acknowledgement of the Frankfurt School. We know that jews aim to destroy the white race. We know that their top experts see the best way to do this is by using the official vectors (government, schools, media) to promote a General Loosening. The creation and the glorification of the homosexual identity are part of this. But only part. Deviant sex, drug use, self-worship (self-esteem) - whatever it is, the jewish goal is to get the goy focused with himself, his stupid, worthless feelings and opinions, thereby taking his eyes off the world and its unbending factual reality. If you do what the jews advise, soon enough you will have so many personal problems you're unfit to participate in politics. Which is the intent. The promotion of homosexuality is simply part of this. In Aryan society, queer behavior is the proclivity of a tiny, weird minority. A minority that is generally laughed about privately but left alone. Even those engaged in it hide the fact, since it never occurs to them, any more than to the normals, that their tastes are healthy or deserving of some kind of public acknowledgement, let alone respect or legal stature. In a jew-controlled society, the queers are encouraged to think of their deviance as healthy, normal and natural. Even more than that - as a positive good. Something to take pride in. Something to celebrate. Something to hold parades for. A term is coined to disparage anyone who shakes his head at the world turned upside down. He's now a 'homophobe.' If he dares laugh or make objection to the new scheme of things, he finds himself publicly ridiculed, without a job, and very likely cut off from his scared friends and family.

The political use of homosexual behavior is what matters. Queer marriage is simply another milestone in the promotion and normalization of deviance in order to facilitate destruction. By itself it doesn't mean all that much, except that a few more resources are shifted away from normal people to diseased/deranged people. But from the resource-shifting point of view, queer 'marriage is trivial, given our open borders and anti-white tax and welfare policies. The main thing is that the concept of marriage and family are further degraded, since the law is on the side of the degradation. This produces confusion in people, as is the intent. Confusion leads people to make bad choices.


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Proponents of marriage for homosexuals think that heteronormativity is simply a social construct, a convention that can be changed through legislation, education, and relentless media brainwashing. But heteronormativity is based in nature, not in convention. Sexual reproduction has existed before human beings formed languages and conventions. Indeed, sexual reproduction existed before mankind evolved. The birds and the bees do it too. So heteronormativity is not a social construct and cannot be changed by society. It can only be covered up, lied about, and ignored — at society’s peril.
The queers believe, some of them honestly, that they HAVE changed the public's mind. They believe they have, through their gritty marches and public activism since Stonewall, converted people to thinking their side is morally right. Just as the negroes did. The truth is that, just as with the so-called civil rights movement, the public was simply browbeaten by a hateful media into accepting a new order accomplished anti-democratically by judicial edict. People's minds haven't been changed. They've just seen a thousand times there's a price to be paid for speaking up. Disagree with The Cult on race, you're a racist. Disagree with The Cult on sexual behavior, you're a homophobe. Both these, and other, labels can get you sued, fired, ostracized - even murdered. Who wants that? So the people keep their heads down, and content themselves with expressing any doubt in private, or not at all. Meanwhile, the 1% minority, along with the 2% minority that owns the mass media, preens and chortles over its great victory. The community, they say, supports 'gay' rights. The community has changed its mind. It had a moral awakening. It decided to get on the right side of history. But homosexual behavior will never be anything but ludicrous and disgusting to the majority of the population. The public has been successfully intimidated out of expressing open criticism of deviant sexual behavior, but its basic views have not changed.

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It is easy to understand why homosexual marriage proponents believe they are overturning heteronormativity. It is harder to understand why the opponents of homosexual marriage make the same claims, since presumably they think that heteronormativity is based on nature or divine will, neither of which can be altered by man, even by the US Supreme Court. Yet the opponents of heterosexual marriage claim that legally defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman is the key to preserving the institutions of marriage and family life.
The point isn't what they can build, it's what they can destroy. And we have the who and the why. They say it themselves. Yet you refuse to acknowledge this. Your essay could have been written by James A. Dobson (Focus on the Family) or any other conservative fundraising hack.

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This makes no sense for two reasons.

First, if heteronormativity is based in nature or divine commandment, not in law, then it cannot be changed by changing laws. (Human laws can, of course, strengthen natural laws by adding additional punishments and incentives to follow nature.)
Leftists are cultists. They are not interested in reality, since reality shows them to be liars and weirdoes. Their solution to nature disagreeing with them is speech codes and laws. This won't change anything fundamental, but it will keep the air- and mindwaves free of anything that would make them cry. And that is good enough. See Paula Deen.

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Second, the institutions of marriage and family life have been pretty much destroyed already. But during the whole period that marriage and family life have been decaying, homosexuals have not been allowed to marry, and marriage has been defined as a union of a man and a woman. In other words, marriage and family life have declined with their heteronormativity entirely intact. Therefore, heterosexuals bear the primary blame for the decline of marriage and the family.
No, heterosexuals have nothing to do with it. The elite setting the agenda bear all the responsibility. They have passed the easy divorce laws. They copied the Soviet family laws in their guidelines for settling child disputes. The agenda is anti-white. Deliberately so. This is not a matter of debate. You can't have stable families in a nation with a gigantic government touching every area of life and extracting huge taxes to pay for it all. No one has any time or energy left to fuck, let alone fuck productively. Throw in a popular culture that is nothing but 24/7 streaming garbage about hotness, masturbation, homosexuality, getting drunk/wasted/high and mass sports - nothing's left. You're either working, sleeping, or thinking about fucking. Well, the legal/media communist jews know exactly what they are doing. Destroying families. Destroying men. Destroying the very IDEAS of manliness, womanliness, or families. The very use of family without an article is subversive, and deliberately so, even though many who use it that way -- i.e., 'the importance of family' -- don't grasp the fact. Barbara Bush, for example, or I could cite other conservatives, do this. A family is anything, who are we to say? It's certainly not a man, his wife, and his children. They're all independent agents, who might temporarily combine, if it suits their interests. Well, that's true for the Strong Women and children. Not for the men. They're only a group if they're queers. As family men, they have no rights. They have duties only. To pay their deadbeat dad bills when the court orders. To worship the chictator. And humbly to admit how goofy, doofy and clumsy they are. Just watch any sitcom or commercial if you need an example.

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Since homosexuals are a tiny minority, and only a tiny minority of that minority wish to marry in any case, I think that homosexual marriage opponents owe us an explanation as to how, exactly, such a small group of people could mess up marriage any more than straight people already have.
Johnson doesn't grasp what's going on. The point of the queer marriage drive is to destroy the family. Destroy enough families, you've destroyed society. Not to give queers the right to marriage. Something most queers don't want, since anonymous, promiscuous sex is the heart of their culture, if you want to call it that. The point is to disempower any legal or social structure that defends anything 'patriarchal,' as the feminists and jews call it. These are people at war, or pretending to be at war (jews), with the biological nature of men and women. They denounce the observation that men and women do differ sexually and biologically as 'essentialism,' and it is one of their high crimes. Funnily enough, they're all about this essentialism when it comes to queers. It's not homosexual behavior, not a choice, it's an identity. It's who they are. They are essentialists when it comes to queers, but not when it comes to men and women, or races.

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If one really wanted to defend marriage and strengthen the family, one should do the following.

1. End no-fault divorce
2. Criminalize adultery
3. Criminalize alienation of affections [3]
4. End child support for unwed mothers
5. Establish a legal presumption that unwed mothers are unfit mothers, so that giving up illegitimate children for adoption is the norm
6. End adoption by unmarried individuals
7. Institute positive incentives for high-quality individuals to marry and have families
8. Institute tax incentives for people to marry/disincentives to stay single

These policies would significantly strengthen the bonds of marriage and family life. And the burdens and benefits of these measures would fall on the heterosexual population, where they belong.
Mostly good things, but the point is to find out who is behind the pushing of homosexuality and why, and to what end. Homosexuals did not persuade the majority they were right. The people running the media did that. And it wasn't persuasion of anything beyond "you'd better shut up or we'll mock and ridicule you and get you fired."

Last edited by Alex Linder; July 2nd, 2013 at 03:36 PM.