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Old July 25th, 2012 #66
Alex Linder
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Sure, revisionists give us some useful stuff for showing that the allies, the Jewish leaders, and the survivahs told lots of lies for political and monetary gain. That can't hurt. But, as I argued at length in the essay, it is not going to get the Holocaust off our back
But not because of evidence or arguments, which our side wins hands down, because of jewish media and political power. The way you argue it seems you think our people's supposed moral flaw matters more than jewish power of media amplification. I think that's dead wrong.

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When the Holocaust is brought up, I really don't think we should respond to it. Why? Because we are allowing them to put us in a moral hole and demanding we climb out of it before we can say anything else. To use a metaphor from Chechar, revisionism is a shield. It is an essentially defensive weapon. We need to use the sword or the spear and go on the offensive. Or, to use a metaphor I employed, the Holocaust is the red cape, whereas the Jewish power structure is the matador. I say charge the matador, not the cape. Or, with Bowden, when the Holocaust is thrown down in our path, we need to "step over it," not get tripped up or stalled by it.
Ok, I agree on attack. Always said, per Goebbels, never defend, only attack. And I certainly believe in going after the matador, the jew. But the way to do this is not ignore 'holocaust' but take it away from the jew, rename it holohoax, and broach the filthy yid on his own shit-encrusted sword. Every time a yid says Holocaust, we say bullshit, that is a BLOOD LIBEL, you filthy kikeroach. You're a vicious, hateful, genocidal anti-White big liar, and YOU and your fellow verminators are guilty of the Kulakaust, and you are going to pay for it. Don't ignore their attack, turn it back. Literally scream at them when they attempt this garbage. They have won by intimidating us. Scream right back at them, and drown them out. Crush them. Never, ever accept any accusation from a jew - they are all guilty criminals. When you use their term, and you do, you have already lost the argument. And ceded that holy moral high ground you guys for some odd reason get fixated on, when it's simply a biological function of who's on which side of the loudspeaker.

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Revisionism has never interested me all that much, because my main concern has always been the genocide being perpetrated against our people right now.
Why is it clear to everybody but you that these two concerns are inextricable? That ought to be your takeaway from the TOO thread. I've never read a thread where anybody disagreed with you that much, and there's a reason for that. It's possible you're wrong, you know.

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So when people have brought up the Holocaust with me in discussions, I have always "evaded" the question by saying, "If the lesson of the Holocaust is that genocide is evil and peoples need their own states to be safe from it, then that lesson applies to whites today. If we do not stop non-white immigration, separate ourselves from non-whites, and regain control of our homelands and our destinies, then we will cease to exist, and that's genocide too. Why do you advocate genocide against white people?"
And how will jews read that response. As weakness. They'll say, Oh ho ho, we've got the brilliant Johnson on the run run run. Keep pressing. Why do you say your people deserve sovereignty, Johnson? You know that Worst Ever Horror you agree with us your kind inflicted on ours? Wouldn't you just be doing that again if we let you out of your cages? You have no response to that. You've already ceded the argument.

Try looking at it from their perspective. Your responses from their respective. If you're a big jew, how does Greg Johnson's essay look to you? Wouldn't the big jew be chuckling and going, sucker! Man...these guys are so weak. We murder millions of them...crickets. We pretend they murder millions of us. Biggest, most profitable squawk ever! It really is true, we juden are gods among dirty, stupid animals.

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That sort of argument is preferable because it sets aside the past and focuses on the present and future; it moves from a Jew-centric to a white-centric perspective; it parries their offense and goes straight to attack; it sidesteps historical issues and focuses on moral and political issues. It puts one immediately in white nationalist territory, not spluttering about hoaxes or trying to explain the Leuchter report.
More like they just keep the Holofirehose on you and blast you off the lot. You'll just look like you're running away. That is the perception the audience will have. Look - ol Nazi boy doesn't want to talk about the past, lol. Gee, I wonder why?

You can get away with your strategy on your site, where you control things. But the minute you step into neutral territory, it won't work. In the real world, 'Nazi' and 'holocaust' are charges that simply can't be sidestepped, or 'stepped over.' They must be met head on. And they can be, and with no more difficulty than we face in any other sector of argumentation.

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As for the Nazi charge, I think the most disarming thing to do is simply to be honest. I say that as a New Rightist, I think that the basic values and political concerns of the National Socialists and Fascists are correct, namely that different peoples should have their own states, but I don't believe in totalitarianism, imperialism, and genocide. Then I go right back to pressing for white nationalism.
You mention universal nationalism, but your enemy never does. He's for global panmixia, with an out for Israel. Why bring a gun to a atom bomb fight? Just be for your own people and race, and leave the rest unsaid.

Also, your 'New Right' is kind of confusing. I mean, I don't know what your background is, but Old Right and New Right already have known meanings in American conservatism, and have existed at least since the 1970s. So it's at the least confusing. I think you need something bolder. WWHoMD? What Would Hitler or Mussolini Do?

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This mantra is false, tiresome, and petty-minded.
Yeah, but it appeals to simpletons. Agitprop has to reach all levels. It's good to have an army of dolts out there repeating something that does accurately summarize things. Can't hurt, can it? I don't think so, as annoying as it is to read on sites frequented by three-digit-IQ crowd.

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You need to give it a rest. My reputation among whom, exactly?
I don't know. The Vdare crowd? Led by "we can't win" Brimelow?

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You know, Alex, as wrongheaded and despicable
I am not despicable! A lot of people think I'm "quirky" and "fun!"; what's more, I apply fresh deodorant every 8-10 days whether I need it or not.

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as you often are, you are among the tiny handful of people in this movement whose opinion really matters to me.
Well, that is flattering. But...you should be influenced by me than you are. I'm almost never wrong, because I know what I don't know.

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Kevin MacDonald is another. But I had no idea of what he would think of that essay before I sent it to him.
Sure, I believe that. What I'm saying is, I think you're really buying into the bullshit I associate first and foremost with Jared Taylor - that we are doing this to ourselves out of some inexplicable biological urge to guilt.

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Ultimately, there are some things more important than being liked, even by people whose opinions matter, and I think this issue is important enough -- because people who think that White Nationalism DEPENDS on revisionism are, as I have argued, pretty far from the real sources of Jewish power and white weakness, and if our aim is White Nationalism, then we can't win unless we really understand the problem.
'Revisionism' is just a label. What matters is not the word but the factual reality of WWII. Is what the jews claim Whites did to them true? Or is it a big lie? It makes a big difference in how we approach things if it's the latter rather than the former, and thankfully the fact-finders have proved the latter is the case. So it's not a matter of us being dependent on revisionism, it's that we have, thanks to their work, this wonderful opportunity to get back at the big-liars who are poisoning our progeny with these lurid tales of atrocities-that-never-were, all while covering up their own against ours that DID happen. Thanks to the fact-finders, we can go to town on the jews every time they open their damn mouth about the Bogocaust. But only if we have the will to use it. Or I guess we can sit their limply, hang our heads in shame, and let them keep on abusing us. I know which road I'm going.

Last edited by Alex Linder; July 25th, 2012 at 08:27 PM.