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Old October 17th, 2018 #8
ColdFire
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Oh , and for the record , while we're at this subject , I would like to use this thread to face another argument brought up by antis quite often . .

That Europeans "stole the land from the Indians" . .

Like I said , I'm not American , yet how I view it . .

European settlers defeated the Indians in fair fight . .

They were numerically superior and had the better weapons . .

On a side note , the Indians at that time didn't even have a state built up. .

They were just nomads. .

There were Indians in America but they didn't have one big tribal collective . .

Europeans first built a state in the Americas . .

The state proclaimed that it was "theirs" . .

On a side note , many Indians also died from diseases imported by Europeans ( against which they had no resistance ) . .

So , all in all , Europeans took that land in fair fight . .


If one brings the argument that , just because the Indians were in the Americas before European settlers , it is supposed to be "their country" for eternity . .

ALL THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY TERRITORIES HAVE BEEN CONQUERED , RE-CONQUERED . .

If everything which ONCE belonged to a certain people would be regarded to be forever be "theirs" , then mankind would be stuck. .

I think the key is whether a certain people had managed to form a state on a territory , i. e. introduce a political system . . .

Then that state can be called theirs . . .

Otherwise it would be anarchy ( i. e. everybody in chaos ) . .

Last edited by ColdFire; October 17th, 2018 at 10:44 PM.