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Old October 13th, 2014 #35
Alex Linder
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Alex Linder: "The thing I can't stand about the half-arguments of the likes of Liddell and Johnson is that they, like all conservatives, ..."

They are not traditional phony conservatives. But the problem with them is that they won't stick to a consistent position. Sometimes they seem to be deliberately talking nonsense for the heck of it, simply to spite their fellow White Nationalists. For example, they will affect to believe that Jewish nonsensical theories have had as much of an impact as the takeover of the academy, press, law schools and political parties by Jews. Actually, Jewish nonsense is only useful as a way to fill up the space and silence White people.
From what I can tell, and am still reading, they are two different cases. They are both mealy mouthed for money. That's the commonality. Liddell isn't anti-nazi, he's anti-German. Same as the guy at Majority Rights. These guys simply will not concede that Hitler was the good guy. This is the basis of their rejecting him - it would mean their little ingland was wrong. They can't handle that emotionally. Being intellectuals, they come up with veiling reasons for their position, but it is what I say.

They are tri-torn between their hatred of Germany, their knowledge of the facts, and their need for money/desire to network with conservatives. They keep trying to triangulate between all these, like a 3-dimensional game of pickle. Every word Liddell writes smacks of peevish asperity, and that gernally comes when one is at least somewhat aware of one's bad faith. Liddell deliberately mischaracterizes the Johnson-Anglin set-to. Anglin whipped Johnson, smoothly and suavely. On both substance and style points. That is no mean feat. Johnson can be quite persuasive, even when he's mealy mouthed and sophistic, as he often is these days. Liddell says Anglin was butthurt. No, that would be you. If you hate Germany, how irritating must it be always to have to include jew-crit simply to get page views, yet carefully temper it to keep your paychecks coming. This is the part of the debate that doesn't come to the surface. The writers in the Vdare cloud, of which Johnson and Liddell are at the outer edge, or just outside, do limit what they say. This is why they are so heatedly peevish at those who say everything that needs to be said - they recognize it as an implicit critcism of their punch-pulling. This is true for Liddell at least. Not so much for Johnson, as he has always criticized jews. He simply associates with people, and makes excuses for people, who work with or for jews, simply because it's to his personal advantage.

The central irony of the Liddell's is that they must maintain two contradictory positions re the 'vantards':

1) they're a tiny insignificant ghetto;

2) they are presenting alt-right from taking power.

It's beyond ridiculous. Anglin skewers some of it, but it's even funnier than he grasps.

Basically, these alt-right folks are high-IQ clowns who don't realize they're clowns, and that's the funniest kind of clown of all. Everyone with a brain can see it, but they can't.

You can't be for anything white-racial and be respectable.

Because of the jews.

But a certain slice of high-IQ bourgeois right-wingers will never accept this; never accept that yes it is this bad, it is the jews, it doesn't matter how well pressed your suit is and nice your appearance, you will be virtually lynched by being chained up to the very Hitler you're trying to run away from...

...and run away from for no reason. These guys, Johnson at least, even admit that the Hitler defenders, revisionists et al., are right on the facts. Yet they run away from them. While claiming intellectual descent from them. The mind boggles at all the flipping here. But we verge into the matters already discussed on another fine thread...

Two things that need badly to be debunked are:

1) Overton Window

2) mainstream vs vanguard

These concepts are completely bogus as applied to WN. I will explain this later. Hint: you have to start with how the political system actually works. When you understand that, which I and others have explained many times, you see how the Overton Window only applies to people controlling the mass media - leftists. And how for WN, the idea of spectrum or degree is the wrong analogy: this stuff is black or white, off or on. Far better analogy or metaphor. More on this later.

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Last week, Johnson and Liddell had a lot of fun calling Anglin a retard. But it is difficult to draw any conclusion from that. Greg Johnson has made clear his admiration for Hitler in a number of articles. And he has published Irmin Vinson's essays. I think the disagreement is mostly over style: Johnson and Liddell think that hurling juvenile insults at fellow White Nationalists gives them an aura of seriousness.
It's partly about money. But Johnson is also simply wrong, but can't admit it. I destroyed his silly arguments about "stepping over," see the Chechar link somewhere. Anglin destroys him again in this latest contretemps. Why Johnson is obsessed with that dead weirdo Bowden, I honestly wonder and don't understand, but he is.

There's nothign to run from. The instincts of guys like Anglin and Eric Hunt are correct. Johnson used to be valuable because he was the ONE, the ONE, PHD who grasped let's call it the spiritual side of politics. He came up through VNN. We discovered him. He wrote for us first. He should have learned the lesson. But he didn't. He was interested in social climbing, and if that meant dumping solid politics, he was willing to pay that price.

He's now mealy mouthed and inconsistent, and he doesn't realize it, he thinks he's being clever.

We will be tied to Hitler no matter what we do. Rush fucking Limbaugh is tied to Hitler, no matter what he does. SO is George Bush. So is any white male who isn't an out-and-out communist. So that isn't something worth worrying about. Everyone but foolish Johnson and British Liddell can see this.

We -- our children -- read about "the" "holocaust" daily in the NEWS. So it's not history. It's literally DAILY NEWS. So how you going to pretend it's something can be stepped over when white children are being intellectuallly molested with Anne Frank's novel in English and in history? And that's just one tiny aspect of the monstrous lie machine. How are you not going to fight on that? Why would you turn down the chance to attack it?

How pro-white can these men be when they're encouraging us not to debunk our worst enemies biggest most helpful lies -- when we have the evidence proving he's lying?

The irony here is it's the formal intellectuals encouraging the course of not using our knowledge. Don't you find that kind of funny? And it's the lesser formally educated who think that real knowledge is powerful and useful.

I find that interesting.

Where has evasion gotten conservatives like Liddell over the decades? Nowhere. That's why white racialism must break with these losers in terms of tone and tactics. It should and must be uproarious, funny, FUN, aggressive, dynamic, spirited and energetic. But these conservatives, and however they style themselves, the latest neo alt not the same old/yes the same olds, they are always for the niggling, stickling, demurrers and nibs nibs maintain low tones. And even then, oh yeah, don't mention the big H is a complete fraud. That's totally useless trivia in real politics...mmmkay, Liddell.

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In his latest article about "vantardism", Liddell even started talking like Anglin:

Liddell: "This negative linkage is, in essence, no different from that used by Leftists as they attempt to demonize any ethnonationalist stirring as the first step towards Hitler and six million lampshades."

I like the Daily Stormer's reports from the holohoax memorial in Berlin, and from Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. It has educational value. You can see the actual picture of Anne Frank made into a lampshade, with the caption: "Anne Frank died of typhus after the allies bombed the supply lines. Following this, she was made into a lampshade or whatever lol." It reminded me of Ramzpaul's Easy Bake Anne video.

That kind of article quickly makes people realize they are played for fools by the Jews. After that, they are ready to listen to Eric Hunt. Then they start seeing the problem of being ruled by hostile Jewish "elites" who push for race-replacement.
The race goes to the real men, not to the silly little girls eternally worried about how they look to others.

The masses are feminine. They want to be fucked by a man, not pestered by a bunch of neurotic girls.

What's the "white" thing to do regarding Hitler?

Does he not deserve respect? Did he not try harder and get farther than any man yet in protecting our race? Are we not to give him his respect? If so, then where do we get off calling ourselves the noble race (the meaning of Aryan)?

I will continue to maintain, the British are going to sink our race yet again by their dogged unwillingness to take any responsibility. They will not see things as they were/are even after the fact. They will go down and become western pakistan before they ever admit the late Germans were right and they were and are wrong. They would quite literally rather become turd-colored Pakistanis than admit before the world they wronged Germany. Well, the white racial movement needs to take this into account when it reads British-empire writers or any writers of British descent. British culture can't defeat the jew and has tended to work with him in recent centuries to the extreme detriment of the race.

That's part of the reason I advocate complete separation between the White movement and conservatism. Our goal is to lead our people to sovereignty. That means, first, their seeing us as an option. Mixing with the Brits at alt-right or Vdare doesn't help that goal, it hinders that goal.

We must be a jealous tendency, hating and attacking all competitors, all men and profiteers and carpetbaggers who would take our people's minds away from us and our agenda. We must be ruthlessly intolerant of these folks, among which the numerous, well-funded professional conservatives of any strip are by far the biggest enemy.

Last edited by Alex Linder; October 13th, 2014 at 03:47 AM.