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Old August 5th, 2012 #3
Hugh
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Have you noticed that Greece is not a very big country?
No, I hadn't. In area and population, it's larger than 40 of the US states, as well as also being larger than three quarters of the states in Europe.

It is also a crucial factor in the Eastern European economy. Greek mining and harbours/shipping/warehousing and transporting are critical for food and fuel distribution throughout Eastern Europe and for Turkey, which depends on Eastern European raw materials.

If Greece collapses, so does the Balkan economy, and the Balkans will explode. That will affect Turkey, trade between Asia and Europe via the Black sea and Mediterranean, and north Africa, Europe and Asia, and would cause economic collapse in many smaller countries.

If the Serbs then moved to recover Kosovo, as they would need to if they were to survive, Albania would go to war with Serbia, and NATO, Russia, Germany, Turkey and the US would all become involved.

If Turkey was badly affected, they could not assist the US in Iraq anymore, nor keep down the Kurds in Turkey, which would need to withdraw troops from Iraq, as would the US.
Iraq would then split into three and Turkey would face civil war as the nations spread across the Turk/Iraq border began to unite and form new countries.




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They have a lot of support among police. That is not the same as being backed by "the police" which are agencies of governments.

They have the critical mass of support, which is what is needed, though they won't have it for much longer unless they reign in their members behaviour and rhetoric.

The support for GD has declined rapidly after the TV incident, their holocaust statements and general behaviour and the media campaign against them.

In the May election, they won 21 seats. In the June election they lost 3 seats, to get 18.
That's a rounded off 15 percent drop in votes for GD within one month.
Goodwill means nothing if it doesn't translate into votes.

Parties need the support of trade unions, the church and the civil service to get into government. The food drive will not gain them these peoples support or financial contributions.

Having spent their parliamentary funds, unless they have other money coming in, they will soon begin to run short for salaries, office rental and expenses, promotional material etc

The US backed pro EU Greek government will wait a while till GD start to experience financial problems, which they will do as the several court cases against them start in the next couple months.

Then just before the next elections, they'll hit them with a series of major lawsuits about racism, antisemitism etc, in order to get them to spend their election funds on lawyers and cases, be demonised in the press, and so lose more support.

People rarely vote for parties they like, they vote for parties they think are likely to win.
GD should stick to what works, being pro-Greek and anti-Eu.


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Try a search on the term "food drive."
So you then think that atheist organisations raise more money for charity around the world every day than religious ones,
and you think that atheist organisations give out more food on a large scale than religious ones.

Care to name some of these atheist organisations and charities?

Christian churches have been running food drives for around 2000 years.
For how many centuries has the atheist food drive been running, and in how many towns and cities across the world do atheists provide food daily?



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Socialism is not of Jewish origin. Nor is Communism.
As practised today, yes they are. Jews developed them into systems actually used by governments, Jews lead the promotion of them today, Jews are developing them today, Jews put through legislation implementing socialist and communist policies today. Thus they're Jewish political philosophies.

Jews ran the USSR, ran the socialist and communist movements worldwide, and helped finance and implement socialist and communist policies to a greater or lesser degree in 70 countries over the last century, including China.




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The national-socialistic Spartan state lasted a very long time.
Sparta was never national-socialistic. It had a king, nobles, a small layer of Spartans who had to spend their lives in the army to keep down a population of which around three quarters were helots or slaves, and which was defeated regularly by its neighbours.

Athens, Thebes, Crete, Mycenae, Byzantium - these are great Greek states and empires which made enduring contributions.
Robbing, stealing and murdering, which was all Spartans did, are not contributions.


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The notion that economies as a matter of principle must not be regulated is modern.

There's no such notion, certainly not in any government, and it's never been a matter of principle.
All modern economies are regulated, and getting ever more regulated.


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You have a limited frame of reference
True. I am involved in mainstream politics, and am not interested in what doesn't work, only in what does in real life.
One cannot gain political success by taking on Jews, no-on cares about the Holocaust, and no-one wants NS.

Should you ever actually try to implement your ideas in reality, you will learn this too.

People don't dislike NS because of the Jews, they dislike NS because they don't like highly centralised governments, don't like dictatorships, don't like people who want to enslave them, and don't like people who massacre them.

Europeans don't dislike Germans because of the Jews. They dislike them because nation after nation out of Germany and Scandinavia such as Goths, Vandals, Franks, Saxons, Vikings have invaded the rest of Europe since Rome fell, plundering, looting and massacring, and keeping most of Europe backward, undeveloped and on the verge of starvation.

Germans from Germany and the German Franks in France have fought each other for 1200 years, over control of the central third of Charlemagne's empire, where the major mines are. Germany and France recover quickly within a generation or two, as they are large countries, with large reserves, and then invade again.

Since the 1300's the Teutonic knights have massacred the Slavs and invaded the Baltic states.

The Austrians invaded and took over a huge portion of central and Eastern Europe.

Austrians, Prussians and Russians invaded Poland and divided it between them in the late 1700's, massacring the Poles and forcing them to convert to whatever religion the state that conquered them held to. Then each of the three brought in masses of their own nations to settle in Poland, driving Poles off the best land. The Poles fought for over a century, only getting their country back at the end of WW 1. Then the Poles stated taking revenge for a century of horror, and drove the Austrians, Russians and Prussians out of Poland, which was used by the three as an excuse to invade Poland again.

During the 1800's, Europe once again experienced famine and war as Prussia and Austria and Germany battled it out over
control of Germany, eventually Prussia took the Protestant two thirds, Austria the catholic southern third.

Then Europe has WW1, and then WW 2. Germany handed Eastern Europe over to the Jews.

Tens of millions have died across Europe as a result, and most of Central Europe has been unable to develop, as every generation or two, either France or Germany will invade, rob them and kill them.

In WW 1, 12 million Europeans died, 20 million died from Spanish flu shortly thereafter, then 50 million died in WW 2.

Do you seriously think Europeans care if Germans feel sad?

What do you think other Europeans feel about 1200 years of neverending warfare, and what does Eastern Europe feel about being given by Germany to the USSR to live in horror for 45 years?

Most Eastern Europeans hate Germany with a passion, and want to see Germany and all Germans burnt to ashes.

Most European nations are small, with few reserves. They are still battling to recover. Germans have the highest standard of living in Europe. Neither they or France are suffering at all.

The countries caught up between them still lie in ruins, with generations of men dead, and nations that have seen nothing but war, famine and epidemics since 1914.

That's why NS is such a stupid system to try to promote, especially since so many in the US recently arrived from Europe.

Other Europeans look at them and remember their cities being bombed, families killed, they see orphans, widows, famine and epidemics. Neo nazis are lucky they have the police to protect them. Most Europeans, given the chance, would kill neo nazis on the spot.

You have no concept of European history, nor of what struggle is, nor of what it is about. Lazing around languidly in your middle class suburb, you know nothing of what nationalism is.
You have a home, water, food, energy, there are no armies marching on you.
Your town is not in flames, you aren't refuges fleeing across fields as planes gun you down, you aren't sleeping in ditches, or being beaten to death, or put in gulags. Nationalism is a matter of life or death, not a hobby.
Put aside your foolishness and grow up.

You NS people are a millstone around the neck of WN.
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Last edited by Hugh; August 5th, 2012 at 11:14 PM.