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Old August 30th, 2011 #2217
Donald E. Pauly
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Smile Steele's Words of Wisdom

Steele has given us some good guidelines for dealing with White Nationalists who have been charged with serious crimes. My comment follows each of his sections. All of these are from the link on his first quote.

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February 8th, 2007 #35
Edgar J. Steele
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Joe Fields: Guilty as Charged

Rarely do I speak out against individuals who support our cause and then, always, it has been in self defense after first having been maligned by them. Today, I must break that rule and add my voice to those in condemnation of Joe Fields and his scheduled March conference.
I have no quarrel with Steele. My involvement with this thread is an attempt to save his life after his lawyers have destined him to life imprisonment. So far all they have done is use him as a cash cow to generate attorney's fees. They have left him in far worse shape than if he had pled guilty. I have suffered great personal abuse in my efforts to show that the ONLY reasonable explanation of this case is that Steele went crazy after his aorta surgery.

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FIRST, Joe Fields is a self-confessed child molester.

In 1996, Fields pled "nolo contendre" to four counts of violating California's Penal Code Section 647.6, in exchange for the prosecution dropping another five counts under the same statute.

Pleading nolo to a charge (literally, "no contest," or "you got me dead to rights and I ain't got no defense") is a fiction created by the courts to allow guys like Fields to claim, somehow, that they didn't really plead guilty. Courts do this because it saves time by getting cases closed that, otherwise, would have to be tried in order to obtain the inevitable guilty verdict. People pleading "nolo" get marked down as "guilty" and are sentenced accordingly.

The most recent extended descriptions by Bill White, posted at his site, Overthrow.com, and in this thread are accurate in all respects, so I will not recount the details. The statute, which makes it illegal to "molest or annoy any child under the age of 18," is not used lightly or frivolously. Not in LA, where the cops and the DAs have far more real work to do than they can handle. The next step up from this charge requires actual sexual intercourse with children.

Both Bill White and Tom Metzger provided me partial copies of Fields' court file, at my request and without much of any comment. I saw the rest for myself in the LA County records. The file speaks for itself. Joe pled, did some hard time and then served extended probation.
Just like Steele in the Fields case, I had an open mind about his case. I initially believed that he had been framed by the Famous But Incompetent. I reviewed all of the facts of this case. This included the statements of Steele and the trial transcript. Just like with Steele, the trial records settled the issue for me with him. Steele didn't hestitate to turn on a convicted child molester and I didn't hesitate to point out that he had gone crazy after aorta surgery. It can easily be argued that someone who tries to have their wife killed is worse than someone who tries to pay 9 year-old-girls to star in pornographic movies.

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SECOND, Joe Fields is a liar.

When the allegations first were brought to my attention via postings to VNN, I called Fields and spoke to him. Fields absolutely swore to me that, while he "mistakenly" had been charged with six counts under the statute above, eventually all those charges were dropped and he was not convicted, nor did he pay any penalties. At the time, it seemed unlikely to me that he would so baldly lie to me about something so easily verified. I was wrong. As the court file was to show, He lied to me.

Fields also wrote an extended letter to the WN community at the time which attempted to explain away the charges and his admissions thereto. He lied extensively in it about the charges, the meaning of his pleas, his lawyer and about appealing the result. Fields tried to blame copping the pleas on his lawyer's pressure and lying, then made some truly remarkable claims about the lawyer, to boot.

I found no evidence of Fields appealing squat. He lied about that.

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I invited Fields to respond to some of the above material. He declined to do so...apparently more "nolo contendre." Silence in the face of accusation is acquiescence.

Yes, one should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Once the primary evidence of guilt is produced, however, the presumption then shifts to the accused. At that point, silence is an admission (save only in a formal court of law, though juries pretty much see things that way, too).

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Lying is another matter, albeit lesser. Honesty and forthrightness are key with me in life. When someone lies repeatedly, I thereafter refuse to believe anything he has to say. Henceforth, just as will I, you are entitled to disregard anything Joe Fields has to say about anything.

We do not need this sort of role model in the WN movement. Just now, Kevin Strom's lengthening silence makes clear that he, too, is some sort of pervert. Terrific. Just terrific.

It is our responsibility to clean up our own act and condemn those among us who break the law, particularly when violations so thoroughly trash the fundamental principles upon which we stand.

Make no mistake: Joe Fields was not a political prisoner. Obviously, neither is Kevin Strom. These men do not deserve our support. They have not earned our indulgence for this sort of thing. If we do not step up and condemn their actions, then we are hypocrites and worse.

I am not the first to cast a stone in the direction of either Fields or Strom, but now I do just that. What you do is between your conscience and yourself, but I will not sit silently while men such as these posture and presume to speak for us.
Steele advises us that a liar is dispicable. Just like Steele, I refuse to believe anything a repeated liar has to say. I have found that his Rants written from jail to be full of lies about the trial and certain other matters. These lies have nothing to do with a difference of opinion. They have only to do with the actual conduct of the trial or contradictions in his Rants. I have only posted three or four of these lies. I haven't had time to post the other dozen or so. Of course, Steele cannot be held reponsible for these lies because he has been insane since his aorta surgery.

Steele correctly notes how Fields tried to place all of the blame on his scumbag lawyer instead of himself. Then when Steele is on trial he places all of the blame on his own scumbag lawyer instead of himself.

Steele also admits that in practice, a defendant who refuses to testify in his own defense is seen as guilty by any jury. Steele in one of his first Rants from jail admits that it was a mistake for him to take the advice of his laywer and wife and not testify. He was either crazy now or then. Steele may have been able to hypnotize those around him into believing that he was framed, but it only worked on me for a while. It didn't work on the jury at all.

Steele has no problem in accusing Kevin Strom of being a pervert. I did not know the facts in that case and never took a position on it. The only thing beyond dispute there was that Strom's ex-wife was behind the accusations and that she was at least half a nutcase. Her subsequent behavior made me suspect that she was the one who should have been locked up. Steele makes a good case for Strom's silence implying guilt. I accuse Steele of the same thing. Why didn't he explain this whole sordid mess for the jury?

Steele denied that Fields or Strom were political prisoners. I deny that Steele is a political prisoner. Steele is deluded with his own sense of self worth. Strom is now out hating just like he used to and the Feds are leaving him totally alone. He would have never been allowed to hate again if he had been a political prisoner. Steele is now bashing the U.S. Attorney and the Famous But Incompetent from his jail cell with semi-monthly Rants. He would never have been allowed to do so if he was a political prisoner.

Steele's undisputed steamy love letters from jail to Tatyana Loginava in which he lied to her about being divorced, told her that he wanted her to have his babies, blamed the failure to send her Teddy Bear on his supposed ex-wife and suggesting that she was behind his arrest were classics. They did the job for me. Anyone that crazy can do anything. It is time for the Steele cheerleaders to wake up and follow his own advice.

I am reminded of the proverb:"Let our words be soft and sweet for we may have to eat them someday.". I give Steele the final word here.

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It is our responsibility to clean up our own act and condemn those among us who break the law, particularly when violations so thoroughly trash the fundamental principles upon which we stand.

Last edited by Donald E. Pauly; August 31st, 2011 at 04:55 PM. Reason: typos