Originally Posted by robert burns
I spent over 4 years on a sub in the early 80s. Maybe Russia has improved since then, I don't know.
Back then they had some fast and some deep diving subs but all had a fatal flaw. They put out to much noise and in the sub game that equals death.
As far as surface ships go we had a saying, there are two types of ships. Submarines and targets.
I think the damage done in the John Walker case resulted in some considerable improvements in the noise situation. It also enabled the Soviets to have more knowledge on American sub whereabouts than was thought before.
The surface ships may now be as obsolete as the Kwan aircraft carriers, but I think the subs, maybe, not so much. Especially the strategic missile launchers.