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Old June 5th, 2008 #14
Roberto Muehlenkamp
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>Here is the rest of the "physical evidence" that Roberta Muehlenkamp presented before resting >her case.
You can wait until hell freezes over before I rest my case, Gerdes. My case has been made. I have provided documentary and eyewitness evidence, and also physical evidence as described in Polish site investigation reports, all of which points to Treblinka having been an extermination camp.

Now let's if Gerdes can provide any evidence of any category (not being a charlatan like Gerdes, I don't try to limit the record of evidence to just one category) that points to Treblinka having been a "transit camp". Evidence showing that about 750,000 people were moved from Treblinka to somewhere in the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories and put into ghettos or labor camps there.

Get cracking, Gerdes.

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>#176:

>Alleged photographs from Treblinka:

>1 - Jews loading bodies onto a wagon, apparently in the Treblinka camp:

>http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5811_1_web.jpg

>2 - Skeletal remains at the site of the Treblinka extermination camp:

>http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5808_1_web.jpg

>3 - Heaps of ashes on the grounds of the Treblinka camp:

>http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_mul...5809_1_web.jpg
Not that it matters because I consider these photographs mere illustrations of what is described in the Polish site investigation reports, but why are you so scared of these photographs, Mr. Gerdes, that you call in question their authenticity with that "alleged" crap?

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>#179:

>Q – Can you show us where just one tooth out of your alleged 24 to 96 million teeth has been >located in your "area of 20,000 square meters covered by human remains and human remains >to a depth of 7.5 meters?"

>Roberta:

>A – “Vassili Grossman, as quoted under:

>http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/955...ml#reply-95592

>"The earth is throwing out crushed bones, teeth, clothes, papers."

>From the Polish newspaper article translated under:

>http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/925...ml#reply-92506

>“Grave robbers from Wólka Okrąglik and neighboring villages pose for a photo together with >militiamen who caught them red-handed. In the peasant's pockets there were golden rings and >teeth of Jews… "With the grave robbers we found golden rings, crowns and porcelain teeth >with gold and silver inlays."
And yet lying Gerdes kept trying to make believe my having claimed that <all> teeth had been ground to tooth-meal after the burning of the corpses.

Wasn’t that so, Gerdes?

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>* Please note: See more on Grossman here:

>http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?topic=4194&forum=2
Please explain why whatever is "here" would call into question Grossman’s description of what he saw on the Treblinka site with his own eyes, Mr. Gerdes.

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>#252 & 253:

>Roberta:

>“Eyewitnesses mentioning pits in the reception area – let’s start with Abraham Krzepicki and >Jankiel Wiernik:

>http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/384...ml#reply-38414
Careful with letting eyewitness testimony into the discussion, Gerdes. You might not be able to discredit it (your attempts so far have failed miserably), and if you then return to ignoring it and yelling for physical evidence and physical evidence alone, the reason for that change in argument will be all too obvious.

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>#324:

>Q - And where are the “gas chambers?”

>Roberta:

>A – “While there is no reason for excavator-freak Franz to have photographed the gas >chambers, he seems to have caught the gas chamber building on one of his photographs. This >photograph is shown by Alex Bay under:

>http://www.holocaust-history.org/Tre...Figure36.shtml
Looks like lying Gerdes is trying to make believe I claimed that the photograph proves the gas chambers. So let’s look at post # 324 under http://www.topix.com/forum/history/T...H7P8C/p16#c324 and complete the quote:

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This photograph is shown by Alex Bay under http://www.holocaust-history.org/Treblinka/de... , figures 36 and 37. Bay explains:

«In the enlargement of the excavator (Figure 37), a number of important and interesting details become visible and are of great interest. Annotation 1 points to two of the lager's Jewish worker 'Sonderkommando' carrying a stretcher. Two men and a stretcher were the means by which the corpses were moved, either from the gas chambers to the burial pits and cremation grates, or from the burial pits to the grates. Annotation 2 refers to a gate which is open. Number 3 indicates a small building. Its location is in the area where some sources show the location of a well, so it possible that it is a pump house. Viernick stated that the gas chambers were hosed down after use, which established that water under pressure was available. This structure stands outside of a security fence running from a gatepost north towards the new gas chambers. Number 4 indicates the western half of the gable end of the new large gas chambers. At 5 is a board fence serving to screen activity in the death camp from the view of the victims directed to the older facility. At six is a window into the motor room of the small gas chambers where the engines used to produce the killing gases were located.»
Why do you always have to set up straw-men, Gerdes? Are you that uncomfortable with what your opponent <actually> stated?

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>#392:

>An open mass grave in Treblinka in 1943 (34 on the map).

>In 1943 all the mass graves were reopened and the bodies cremated on huge roasts.

>Arad, Yitzhak; The Pictorial History of the Holocaust, p. 299

>http://holocaust-info.dk/treblinka/i...mass_grave.htm

>Roberta’s analysis:

>“Shapes pointed out look human. They are neither wooden planks not tarpaulin sheets.”

>http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...grave_edit.jpg
What, no "alleged" mass grave, Gerdes? Have you overcome your fear of this photograph (which I personally don’t consider very illustrative, because it shows only a small part of the pit in question and the bodies in the mass grave are mostly covered by what looks like wooden planks and tarpaulin sheets)? Congratulations, my brother!

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>And that's it folks, that was all the "physical evidence" that Roberta Muehlenkamp was able to >present which she claims "proves" the Treblinka holohoax.
Again, the documentation of the physical evidence is not in any of the photographs I have shown, or in any number of those photographs. As Gerdes well knows, I have always referred to the site investigation reports as documentation of the physical evidence, and to photographs of the site as mere illustrations of that documentation. Just how telling the documented physical evidence is has been pointed out in my article "Polish investigations of the Treblinka killing site were a complete failure …" under http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...treblinka.html, referred to several times throughout this discussion.

And what is more, I never said that physical evidence alone proves the mass murder at Treblinka. All the physical evidence does is corroborate what becomes apparent from the documentary an eyewitness evidence, listed in my post # 482 under http://www.topix.com/forum/history/T...H7P8C/p23#c482 .

Are you that slow on the uptake, Gerdes?

Or are you just unable to control your obvious compulsion to lie?

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>I will add a more concise recap of >her "evidence" real soon.
Try recapitulating my <actual> arguments for once, Gerdes. Not your straw-man distortions thereof.