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Old August 1st, 2008 #932
Roberto Muehlenkamp
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Looks like Gerdes has gone on holiday and left the other two stooges in charge.

Letís take a look at what they have produced, then. Lady first:

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Another of your smokescreens of nonsense to cover your retreat. Donít run away.

Heh, I do not run away. Nor create smokescreens.
Iíll take that as a joke, otherwise I would have to call it a lie. Remember my post # 666 or my question about the relatives you allegedly lost in the Dresden bombing, for instance?

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More projection.
Not at all. If any of us two can safely claim to neither run away nor create smokescreens, itís me.

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Most of the evidence I have provided is listed in post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 and in posts that this post links to, so you can stick to that.

No, I do not have to "stick to that"; it's a shoddy reply and provides nothing new.
I strongly doubt you read much of it before, and the shoddy reply here is yours Ė a presumably deliberate misunderstanding of my message, unless youíre just plain dumb. You claimed that, in order to specify what information I have used is "outdated" or "false", you would "pretty much be forced to provide link to near every single relevant post you have made on this thread". I replied by telling you that you can restrict the demonstration supporting your "outdated" and "false" claims to the evidence listed in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...&postcount=777 and in posts that this post links to. That should have been easy to understand.

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You must suffer from a serious bout of megalomania to claim that you speak for your generation.

No, it's actually a matter under discussion; particularly amongst jews and in Germany/Europe; though not so much in America. The lack of belief amongst my generation has even been given a name, it's called "holocaust fatique" - particularly when discussing German youth. I read an article about it just this morning- If I have the time and inclination, I will locate the link - I had thought to post it in the News section of the forum, but didn't bookmark the page.

In the meantime, this man is not WN or NS, he's written an interesting article vis a vis his own awakening to the vagaries of the holocaust and the jews generally; seems like he just figured it out.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/It-...80729-596.html
The term "Holocaust fatigue" suggests that people are getting tired of hearing about the Holocaust, not that they doubt it occurred. This "fatigue" was more or less my position before I met you beautiful people. While not knowing much about the Nazi genocide of the Jews except for what I occasionally read in magazines and saw in TV documentaries or in movies, I was of the opinion that the memory of that horror was being overemphasized, while other horrors like those inflicted by the Nazis on non-Jews, by the regimes of Lenin and Stalin on mostly their own citizens, by the Turks on the Armenians, by the Cambodian communist regime on its own people, by the Rwandan Hutu on the Rwandan Tutsi, and so on, were getting comparatively little if any attention. I still hold this position but have become interested in knowing as much as I can about the Nazi genocide of the Jews. And the reason for that is none other than the disgusting denial stance of people like yourself and my aversion to that stance.

If you people were smart, you would take advantage of the "fatigue" you mention and focus on pointing out how the Holocaust is being overemphasized and taken advantage of for political purposes. That would be an effective way of curbing the Jewish power and influence you are so concerned with, to the extent it a) exists and b) gains strength from promoting the memory of the Holocaust.

By idiotically denying that the Holocaust happened, on the other hand, you achieve the exact opposite. You make people who were previously more or less indifferent to the Holocaust become interested in it. You awaken sympathy with the Jews on the part of such people, a sympathy that mirrors revulsion at your hateful lies. You provide a reason for setting up sites like Nizkor, THHP and the HC blog, and you make sure that lots of people read them. You wake up lots of sleeping dogs like myself, who then dedicate much of their free time to showing what a bunch of sick-minded fanatics you and how baseless your contentions are. In other words, you shoot yourselves in the foot.

The author of the article under http://www.opednews.com/articles/It-...80729-596.html , who seems to be a Gypsy (I also have some Gypsy blood from my great-grandmotherís side, by the way) addresses the issue of an "exclusivist" position that he claims is often or generally found among Jews, an attitude that what happened to the Jews was something uniquely horrible and that what happened to non-Jews under the Nazis or to other people under other criminal regimes doesnít compare. Aversion to such "exclusivism" is one of the reasons that led me to put together a number of RODOH threads and write some articles on HC about non-Jewish victims of Nazi persecution and mass murder. You find links to these threads and articles on the RODOH thread under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/6101 .

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And even if your generation consisted entirely of bloodthirsty fanatics like yourself, that still wouldnít change the fact that the "outrageous claims" you ramble against (because they donít fit your preconceived notions and for no other reason) have long been proven.

Heh - however my generation of "bloodthirsty fanatics" could easily bring about the end of holocaustian insanity and claims - and do it without shedding a drop of blood, neither our own nor anyone elses.
No, baby, historical facts are not removed by any amount of idiots who refuse to accept them for ideological reasons, and the more such idiots whine against such facts, the more interest in such facts and the more sympathy with those they whine against they will elicit. As I said before, you people are shooting yourselves in the foot.

Itís amusing to note that youíre tuning down your bloodthirsty "kill the kikes" Ė stance of previous posts, by the way. You seem to have realized the self-damaging nature of that stance.

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One is concern that your lies may be believed by an ignorant and gullible public. Another is that the filth you spout is simply too disgusting to be left unanswered.

Pretence to moral indignation is shakey ground for you Mule. I would try to avoid it were I you.
No, itís no pretense. I do find the filth you spout disgusting. And not only on moral grounds, but also because itís an assault on logic, reason and historical truth. All it takes to dislike your ideologically motivated attempt to falsify history is an interest in the study of history, as a matter of fact.

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I do not ask nor demand to be "believed" - I do suggest that the holocaust be thouroughly questioned and investigated - particularly by my generation, if they are even interested in the subject at all, most are not - and I agree with you, they should be very interested; though not for the reason you espouse. Rather the opposite, obviously.
What your "opposite" reason directly motivates is not investigation, but desperate one-sided attempts to find arguments supporting a preconceived ideological notion. But indirectly it arouses an interest in genuinely investigating the relevant events and obtaining as much evidence about them as possible. Thatís why the reaction of serious researchers to your propaganda has greatly enhanced historical knowledge on the Nazi genocide of the Jews over the past years.

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In what posts am I supposed to have altered the thread to exactly what, my dear? Show me.

Well, your reply to me in this post is as good an example as any. I had merely reprinted Herr Gerdes questions, a post you have ignored, both his original and my reprint.
What are you talking about? As I already suggested in post # 919, you should read my post # 916 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=916 . All of Gerdes' mostly irrelevant and sometimes instructively imbecile questions are addressed there.

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Then, there are the rest.
Such as?

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I donít remember having said that my work was "in the mail" or announced that the challenge requirements would be met any time soon. What I remember is having said that archaeological work takes time and results will be available when they are available.

That's not what you stated over several, several posts when you first decided to "accept" the challenge; however, refresh my memory if I am wrong
No, baby, the game goes the other way round. You show me what to the contrary of what is summarized in my above-quoted statement Iím supposed to have stated in previous posts. With post numbers and links, please.

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- I do however, admit that you did not state when you put your "stuff" in the mail. That's a subject you have been dancing around for several pages.
Iím not dancing at all, on the contrary. I have expressly stated that I cannot give a date. Tell me, why should I be obliged to give a date? And why the heck should I even be able to?

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I donít think you can explain what Iím supposed to be projecting. And you better donít make projection Jewish, for that would make your friend Gerdes a Jew and maybe yourself as well.

You are projecting your own anxieties onto Revisionists, Revisionism and Folks who are involved with it.
What "anxieties", baby? Iím not the one who is jumping up and down yelling "show me, show me" and asking "when, when?". What exactly am I supposed to be "anxious" about, and how am I supposed to have expressed that?

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And, it is a jewish trait, one learned or taught to non-jews.
So youíre telling me that you learned self-projection from Jews?

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Unlike you and your brothers-in-spirit, I donít post nonsense. And thanks for admitting that it takes "patience" not to censor or ban opposition posters. The finger on the "delete" button is always itching, isnít it?

Nah, it's becoming entertaining actually to watch you increasingly twist and turn and spin with every post.
That entertainment is all on my side, notwithstanding your hollow claims to the contrary.

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I have no mod powers, nor would I want them; but if I did, I would most definitely continue to allow you to post, Mule.
Of course you would. Banning me would mean conceding defeat.

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Like demanding that my pertinent questions be answered and the evidence I show as well as the reasonable arguments I make are addressed? Iíd say Iím entitled to that.

Yes, you may be "entitled" to that, however, you are not entitled to demand anything on this forum;
Actually Iím entitled to demand on this forum what Iím entitled to demand on any discussion forum. If my opponents are not able or willing to comply with my reasonable demands, I have no problem with that, however. It looks bad on them.

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particularly since you are using abuse to do so.
The worst you can accuse me of is responding in kind to the abuse that is being thrown at me, but I donít think you can even claim that. I donít mess with my opponentsí names and gratuitously call them faggots and such, do I?

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I would check his Aryan background, if I were you (and as weíre at it, I would also check your Aryan background if I were any of the other White folks here,

The juden have already attempted to attack my Aryan background; and, they have failed. I would imagine that any one of the other White Folk here could become subject to the same i-net attack.
No, only those whose self-damaging incompetence raises the suspicion that they were planted here as agents provocateurs. Your friend Gerdes is doing an excellent job making "Revisionism" look like shit, which is just what Iíd expect a good infiltrator to do. And you are close behind.

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considering how splendidly you contribute to making "Revisionism" look like the sick-minded filth it is).

How so. I ask that you provide proof, evidence that is credible to me about the hoax.
Whereupon I ask you what would be credible to you, what your standards of credibility are based on and what evidence for a "hoax" you can offer. Whereupon you fall silent or change the subject and have thus again exposed "Revisionist" charlatanry.

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I was raised a National Socialist as that is my personal family background. I do not automatically accept Holocaustianity just because that is what you would desire.
Frankly I donít give a flying fuck what you accept or not. Iím here to expose the imbecility of your articles of faith, and with your self-projecting "Holocaustianity" babbling and other trash youíre being very cooperative.

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I do not make claim to being a Revisionist; however, I have been raised sensibly and to ask questions.
I donít think so, otherwise you might have asked why all known evidence points to mass murder and none points to an alternative possibility and/or a monstrous conspiracy of evidence manipulation, among other things.

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I see youíre desperate enough to read a concession into what is just a plain statement of fact. But youíre not alone in this wishful thinking, itís a common trait in "Revisionist" cloud-cuckoo-land

Well, until you provide coherent answers to Herr Gerdes rather simple questions, I continue to take your flat statement as concession. Spin it any way you like.
So now that answers have been provided to Gerdesí "rather simple" (read "rather simple-minded at best, mostly irrelevant and sometimes inanely abusive") questions, they are not "coherent"? Thatís just the helplessly lame reaction I was expecting from you, assuming you read my answers at all. How about trying to demonstrate the "incoherence" of my answers, one by one?